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BackToEarth
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posted April 18, 2012 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, so you have those 8th House/Pluto influences.

Well, I've been in tune with things decades ago, that only now are becoming sort of "mainstream". I think there is a lot of information being withheld from us by people in the know, such as people in the movie industry. It's horrible that they're so selfish sometimes, opting to withhold information or revelations because they'd rather incorporate it into a movie so they can go down in history somehow.

But the real travesty is, we all have access to the information. I've believed for a long time in that universal stream of consciousness any of us are able to tap into.

People who want to maintain some elusive power over us pions don't want to release that fact, or how easy it is to tap into it.


As for the deceased, yes, I talk to each one every single day and night. I'm very much in tune, especially lately. They guide me a whole lot.

Learning how to meditate is so important. Yes, your mind wanders a little, but for me, the goal is to think NOTHING. Easier said than done, but once you get it down, you can use it for menial things like avoiding judging someone, or reacting to a nasty driver.

I'm one of theose people who always felt everyone's energy, and I'd get swept away with other's issues so easily. Now I'm able to stay true to myself first, then take in what other's have to say on an "as needed" basis. Frees up a lot of energy & anxiety.


Are you familiar with http://spaceweather.com ? At the top nav bar, click on FLYBYS and you'll be set, plus, sign-up for their newletter and you'll know in advance about meteor showers & other cool things.


Sorry to hear about your recent loses on this earth. You'll be joining up with them soon. Sometimes I like to think of it as, those who've gone before us haven't left us, they're just positioning themselves to welcome us.

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posted April 18, 2012 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the link. I'll definitely keep an eye out.

I never get a chance to fully catch meteor showers. Only parts, never the whole show really, I'm too busy. One instance though, I met this incredible person and I discovered something reminiscent of love with them. One night I felt this powerful energy in regards to them and I remember stargazing and getting a first row seat to a spring meteor shower. I had no idea there was supposed to be one. It was amazing and the person was an Aquarius and this incredible show of shooting stars was coming from the direction of the constellation of Aquarius in the sky. The connection I felt in that moment was truly incredible. It was just one of those moments when everything in time and space enigmatically balances supremely and infinitely. I've actually got a great deal of 8th house energy. It's a big focal point in my chart. It feels sometimes with that energy that I walk the axis between many worlds. It's interesting. It makes it hard to stay grounded within the body.

It's great you've stayed very connected to those that you've lost. There's so much to be learned in regards to other worlds through an understanding of life and death. I've learned a lot through my loses as well. That's a nice theory you have about them waiting to welcome us. Something to ponder.

I'm going to keep researching these very interesting alien and ancient cultures theories. I'll post more on that topic when I discover more. There's so much to think about...

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posted April 19, 2012 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what I've been focusing on often regarding our loved ones on the other side. Imagine you are on the other side (back home), and able to see your loved ones going about their (temporary) lives. You are so at peace and one with your Creator. How badly you must want to tell them you're OK. How badly you try to guide them and keep them from harm.

If they'd just realize you're right there and you can hear them if they talk to you.

Of course, you'd be there waiting for them to welcome them and to laugh out loud over what a crazy experience this life on Earth was!! Ha Ha!! We were so nutty!!

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posted April 19, 2012 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah.

Its hard thinking about it all at times. You know, the many possibilities. It makes me miss those I've lost even more. And yet to know they're so close yet they seem so far away. Dimensions practically separated by a very thin veil. It makes me want to know and discover more. To better understand this world and the worlds beyond it. This world is a very tough place to live in and human beings can be surprisingly ruthless. It makes you wonder about other existences and a future utopia of balance and peace here on earth. It's hard 'knowing' and still having to live in a world filled with such pain and human destruction. You wonder when things will change, when humanity as a whole will evolve. At times it feels like we're going backwards...

It's all just so difficult. Apart of me even wonders about thoughts and emotions. Oh they seem to have a hand in the catalyst of so many things on a human to human level. I guess it's just the way we all perceive the world and each other. Things are in perfect order and unfolding as they should most definitely. But sometimes you wish it all were a bit easier but the world is a bit of
a mess so easy doesn't seem to be on the agenda. Yet, maybe evolution is a multilayered effectual occurence. Some things, therefore being easier than others, for certain people and circumstances.

My focus for the moment seems to be humans. Ah, the complexity of human nature. I'm still figuring things out. When I think I've reached the final chapter in my psychological and spiritual discoveries, I run into a new books and the exploration begins all over again. Always learning and always evolving.

The other side consistently fascinates me though. With all its mystery's and truths. So close yet so far away.

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posted April 19, 2012 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yet, maybe evolution is a multilayered effectual occurence.

What does that mean? Nonlinear time?

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posted April 19, 2012 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say so. Many things happening on many different levels. What do you think? Evolution is an interesting phenomenon to dissect.

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posted April 19, 2012 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All those folks at conscious-evolution.com are doing enough thinking about Indigo children for all of us. So I don't really think about it. And multiverses don't mean much to me when I have to do my laundry and I'm out of detergent. Yeah.

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posted April 19, 2012 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol. Yeah it's a heck of a lot to think about considering in theory we don't know much. We've seen patterns and attempted to make correlations but it's all just theoretical speculation.

But don't you ever just wonder about it all? I tend to have my head stuck in the clouds often so theorizing and pondering the unknown almost becomes an art form. Have you discovered anything in your research related to the universe or evolution that stuck with you? Made your mind wonder.

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posted April 20, 2012 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Capriquarius, here's an interesting article about nonlinear time. Just something to think about.
http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/nonlinear-time/

@BackToEarth,
I found this interesting and kind of fun to think about list of the top 10 mysteries surrounding ancient aliens. It gave me some new theories to think more in depthly about. http://listverse.com/2011/02/21/top-10-mysteries-surrounding-ancient-aliens/

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posted April 21, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synchronicity again.

Has anyone heard of the concept of "Simultaneous Lifetimes"? Some may call it "Parallel Lifetimes".

Heard about it for the first time in January, and looked into it briefly online. Too many "fuzzy wuzzy" articles by self-proclaimed gurus that have major problems making it understandable.

Didn't quickly find any purely scientific models for it, though they're probably out there. It's food for thought.

Funnily enough, on page 2 of my google search, I found that someone here at Lindaland brought it up in March of 2011, the link is below. Then I did a search on Linda's Search Engine to find even more discussions about it here:


http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum19/HTML/000254-4.html


It's kind of too big to wrap around my head at first. Takes some meditating and acceptance for some time.

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posted April 28, 2012 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Has anyone heard of the concept of "Simultaneous Lifetimes"? Some may call it "Parallel Lifetimes".

I've heard a bit about those suggestions. It's all very complicated but very interesting. It does take some time to wrap your head around. It would make sense though, it could account for many trivialities faced when trying to understand existence. Especially in regards to out of body experiences, mind travel and telepathy. Shamanic techniques, like for example traversing the cosmic axis.

Our consciousness and in a sense our souls could very well be active in simultaneous lifetimes. It even relates to the whole idea of deja vu. A multi-layered, multidimensional existence to mirror the highly complex Universe. It's something I'm researching more as well. I think many people have a hard time trying to define it, because it's complicated to comprehend on a human cognitive level. Mentally it's like a brain tornado when trying to connect the dots. It even gives me a bit of a headache, but I'm too hungry for information so I keep doing research. It's all about "knowing."

I'm going to do more research and I'll post more articles. The one I posted about nonlinear time was actually a decent attempt at trying to explain the metrics of a multi-layered or simultaneous existence.

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posted April 28, 2012 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NativelyJoan -

You wrote:

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Mentally it's like a brain tornado when trying to connect the dots. It even gives me a bit of a headache...


Ha Ha! We have so many similarities. You know how I've interpreted those "rush headaches of information" lately? It's like a cue to stop a minute and let it come in. It's like saying, there's a traffic jam of information waiting to get to you.

Before, it felt more like "irritation" I'd react to as "having a bad day". Amazing how much one realizes how many times God really IS trying to get our attention.

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posted May 01, 2012 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ha Ha! We have so many similarities. You know how I've interpreted those "rush headaches of information" lately? It's like a cue to stop a minute and let it come in. It's like saying, there's a traffic jam of information waiting to get to you.

LOL, we do have a lot in common. I swear it's the Libra connection! It's good I've been needing more Libra types in my life. Very few understand the scales.

Information overload headaches, seriously, they can be very frustrating and exhausting. I also get the chills and start to sweat, like it feels like my body's overheating and getting cold all at the same time. Taking a step back is definitely key in order to deal with all that information. It's so much. I need fresh air in those moments and I usually have to sit somewhere very calm and quiet or go for an introspective walk. I can't be around people in those moments. It's very important especially for Libra's to get perspective. I've been going through a lot in my life in general but recently stuff just keeps happening, left and right. And it feels like while trying to make sense of it all, these mind tornado headaches keep on sneaking up on me.

When my world is a mess I research and dig, to my own detriment it's just too much on the mind and body sometimes. I've had to mediate more than usual recently. It's all good though. Things are being revealed...which is always a good thing.

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posted May 02, 2012 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NativelyJoan -

I've not been aware of your Chart other than you being Libra, unless I have a brain fart.

What you just said:

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"I also get the chills and start to sweat, like it feels like my body's overheating and getting cold all at the same time


More lately, right? ME TOO, and it's a horrible feeling, almost like a panic attack, but not. Or can feel like a bad wash of shame comes over you. I'll try to explain:

I've been preparing for this Transiting Aries Sun, which is now over, but it's the still Transiting Aries Mercury! The weakest time of the year is when the Transiting Sun is Opposite your Sun Sign, about 6 months away from your birthday.

When watching the news for a while now, I kept seeing reporters trip over their words a lot more, Freudian Slips, etc.

So a while back I looked at the Mercury Transit, and it's in Aries. It's like the body wants to speak with boldness & certainty, but the mouth is going faster than the mind can put the words together first.

NJ, please look at my recent New Topic "In the Face of Pure Hatred..." I'm really requiring my brain to work some miraculous Kung Fu right now. Physically sick over it. See what you think.


But again, since Transiting Mercury is still in Aries, it's even more of that WEIRD hot/cold feeling, which makes me feel faint. It's like an electrical wire, or lightening strike. I realize God is trying to get my attention in a big way, but the mash-up of sensations & emotions makes it difficult to figure out. I get frustrated at myself & almost start withholding gentleness from myself, if that makes sense.

Like I say in the post, it's taking a long time to wash-over, and it's this slow Mercury in Aries Transit. My Natal Mercury & Mars are in action-oriented Scorpio. The Empty Space of my T-Square is in Aries on the 12th House Cusp, so when tension builds up it's literally like falling backwards & blindfolded in the abyss of the 12th House.

In the past I would've taken the initiative and acted boldly, "I know what to do!" Then come what may. Now I know better, but it feel almost like the first time I'm exercising such restraint & it's so hard.


Looking at the other current Transits, we have a Moon & Mars in Virgo, together with another "objective" influence, the Venus in Gemini. So there's a desire for us to be very exacting. Yet, our thinking processes are being rushed with the Aries.

My Venus is in Virgo, so I guess it causes me to feel disillusioned with all the pressure to get everything just right.


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posted May 05, 2012 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 05, 2012 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But again, since Transiting Mercury is still in Aries, it's even more of that WEIRD hot/cold feeling, which makes me feel faint. It's like an electrical wire, or lightening strike. I realize God is trying to get my attention in a big way, but the mash-up of sensations & emotions makes it difficult to figure out. I get frustrated at myself & almost start withholding gentleness from myself, if that makes sense...In the past I would've taken the initiative and acted boldly, "I know what to do!" Then come what may. Now I know better, but it feel almost like the first time I'm exercising such restraint & it's so hard.

You know what's weird, going along with the things you've mentioned above and on your thread about your neighbor, it's interesting because I've been facing a lot of strife in the past month especially. April has hands down been the hardest month this year so far in 2012. And it's kind of felt like I've been immobilized in a sense, like you mentioned restrained. I had to deal with some difficultly with regards to my job these past two weeks (something not related to the tension I have with a coworker). Issues with higher ups in my company, and exploitation. And by the way, I'm not a 9 to 5 person in any way, shape or form. It actually kills me on a soul level to endure this type of restrictive work environment. However I'm in the process of moving to a new place and a lifestyle that will allow me a lot more flexibility in regards to my career. I have Aquarius Rising and restrictions and schedules drive me absolutely nutty. It's like suffocating, very very slowly.

On another note, I wrestle with so much conflict within myself on a daily basis. You mentioned you don't know to much about my chart, just to give you some info, my entire chart is filled with opposites (I'm Air and Fire). Sun Opposite Mars, Moon opposite Mercury, Venus opposite Ascendant, Jupiter opposite Midheaven and the list goes on...and I was born under a Full Moon (Sun opposite Moon). Duality is what plagues and vitalizes my chart. It's who I am and being a Libra who swings back and forth just adds a heap onto all of that polarity. But when my chart harmonizes, oh does it ever. I'm in another realm when I feel the harmony of the duality in my chart and I'm at peace.

Anywho, the conflict I had in regards to exploitation with my company was something I knew I had to confront, but I was swaying back and forth in regards to the decision to speak up. I have a strong Mars (Mars in Aries in the 1st), but alone it's not strong enough to overrule the polarity within my whole chart. Usually though, I'm more certain of my decisions and like you don't usually have a problem speaking my mind. But these transits have been tough emotionally. Forcing me to deal with an awareness. In my personal case exploitation. And it felt up until the past few days like there was nothing I could do about it. Even with the situation now somewhat handled, thanks to me finally speaking up, there's this exhaustion from all the energy wasted trying to figure out what to do. This past week was physically and emotionally draining and tiring. Now I have no energy to argue or fight about anything, all I have energy for is peace and calmness.

I'm glad you've decided to stay true to yourself. If anything my own situation has taught me to just let things go. Trying to balance the scales and then walk away. You've probably already spent too much energy trying to understand the situation with your neighbor. You don't fuel the fire, nor do you light a new match. It's tiring and painful to be rude to someone who's rude to you. It's such a waste of energy.

I've noticed that since I let go, when attempting to deal with my conflict filled situations, I begin to feel an inner harmony at the release and a deep sense of empathy for those in pain who continue to spread misery and conflict. I keep myself at a distance with this awareness, and try not to invite undue attention into my harmonious inner space. I'm in a tranquil place at the moment when writing this and Mercury will soon be out of Aries. The world will slow down in Taurus. A much needed break from all that frenzied Fiery energy of Aries.

Let me know how you're dealing with the situation with your neighbor? And if it's getting better. Sending Venusian love in your direction

And now, having found inner harmony once again, I can get back to researching aliens and parallel lifetimes and post more articles on your thread lol!

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posted May 07, 2012 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha Ha!

For a few years now, I've decided and acted upon the belief that there's no more energy for anger. Not only because I found it makes things worse for my personal life, but that the Earth or universe itself is saying, that's it, there's no more energy for anger.

These recent struggles are taking me for a loop, and it's like I'm trying to adhere to my belief. When we're all on the other side, that's when the most important judgement (or adjustment) will be made. Not here. So it's as if anger is more of an infantile fit, selfish & unproductive.

Patience and calm wins out because your productive day just goes better!


Every year I prepare myself for April, and each time, it throws me a curveball. And right now, I have anger I'm trying to calm down. Not just because of "a neighbor" but so many things, mostly family issues. There are no really sensitive people, it's weird, like not one. That "orphan" feeling will never go away.

It's going to feel like a major release when Mercury goes to Taurus.

I think your Mars in Aries in the 1st is probably a lot like having Aries in the Empty Space in a T-Square in the 12th because the Apex is the Mars in Scorpio in the 6th. So when the Mars energy falls into that Aries abyss, it's forceful and sort of a subjective ego thing too.

I have a lot of Planets in the 6th (plus a Venus in Virgo), and in order to keep things from getting too personal, I try to keep the attitude of being a patient problem-solver. That way when the T-Square energy builds up, it's not so personal. It's more like the best possible answer emerges from the best possible conditions, and that's all I can do.

The neighbor? What neighbor?... ha ha. Still can't express the verdict for this time around yet. Most of me doesn't care, but so much in my Chart just expects so much of people and probably why I give people the benefit of the doubt so much, and forgive endlessly. I just started a new Topic "Is it Insecurity? Or is it High Expecations Not Being Met?".

So glad you are finding relief in your work environment. We have another energy in common, my Midheaven (MC) is in Aquarius. Just replied in my thread about NN's that I'm now looking into my MC again. Between the harsh Aspects to my NN & MC, I'm basically cast as "not playing well with others".

That's not how I want to experience life, so I'm trying to meditate on what my Soul's intention was before becoming incarnate. It was to be honest, and have integrity, but not to be thought of as arrogant or untrustworthy.

Huge challenges.

Also, in less than a year I'll be going through my Chiron Return, already dealing with it.

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posted May 08, 2012 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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BackToEarth: Every year I prepare myself for April, and each time, it throws me a curveball. And right now, I have anger I'm trying to calm down. Not just because of "a neighbor" but so many things, mostly family issues. There are no really sensitive people, it's weird, like not one. That "orphan" feeling will never go away...Thats's not how I want to experience life, so I'm trying to meditate on what my Soul's intention was before becoming incarnate. It was to be honest, and have integrity, but not to be thought of as arrogant or untrustworthy. Huge challenges.

I know exactly what you mean. Relating to others seems to be incredibly difficulty recently and for the past month or so definitely. I'm sorry about your familial issues I hope everything works out. I don't feel sensitivity from many people in my life also. I'd say I can definitely relate to the orphan sentiment and I come from a big family. I was definitely the black sheep. Always going against the grain and being pinned the scapegoat when things fall apart or people need something or someone to blame. What a burden right? A peaceful Libra like myself, consistently misunderstood by those closest to me including by my own family. The only person who understands and extends any sort of sensitivity toward me in strife is my twin sister. She's truly a blessing. It's tough though, because we live in two different parts of the country.

I think your being tested BTE, on a very deep level. Emotionally and possible spiritually. It's wonderful that you're using this time of emotional turbulence to contemplate your soul desires and your purpose. I can't think of a better way to use your time in moments like the one you're experiencing, then for necessary soul introspection. If love and sensitivity are lacking in your life, feel reassured that you've got a host of individuals here on LL who care about you and always have a moment to listen and be of help. The world can be a beautiful place and it can also be a very cruel place depending on the day. I really do wish people could learn to be more peaceful and considerate when interacting with one another. It could be the most soothing balm in a conflict filled situation. My family is filled with incredibly chilly individuals who are too tied to their egos. Growing up their was constant fights and never any peace. My Mars in Aries learned how to deal but it was horrible regardless. I don't understand all the hate we have in this world and with each other. It can single handedly destroy the physical body and curse the soul. I can't do the pain and misery anymore. With friends and family, it's just too much. I'm tired. I'm sure you are too. Peace is just too close...

Take this time to do the soul/inner work needed to find understanding and truth. We can't control the way the world views us, but we can try each day to be better people to others and ourselves. We've just got to transform our ego driven motives. Which of course isn't easy. Just continue to connect to your center. The universe will take care of us all. I think you'll find what you need. This time is an important period for you, you're learning more about yourself and your connection to others. Inspite of the anger you're feeling, you're doing what needs to be done by expressing your emotions. It's all good things.

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Geez... I got teary-eyed reading that. Thanks so much.

I've been concentrating so much on trying to figure out the advantage of having been born into this family, and I'm also including extended family.

For one thing, I know that one of my main purposes is to do really deep soul-searching. Perhaps I'm afforded that luxury by having this kind of family? You know, I'm going through all the angles because they act as if they have a monopoly on what "family" is supposed to be, yet, they have lower standards than I do, if that makes sense.

I'm the type of person that people open up to very easily, and not of my doing, they just open up like I'm a psychologist even if talking for only 2 minutes. I'm easy. But I value honesty more than anything.

It's like the old adage of being able to deal with stranger's problems better than your own, my family acts like they're saving the world, but they can't "save me". Every single time (I swear) that they've interfered they've made things unimaginably worse.

In some ways I think that messes with their heads. I'm on a completely different level, but quite unwittingly.

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posted May 09, 2012 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BackToEarth:
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I'm the type of person that people open up to very easily, and not of my doing, they just open up like I'm a psychologist even if talking for only 2 minutes. I'm easy. But I value honesty more than anything...

It's like the old adage of being able to deal with stranger's problems better than your own, my family acts like they're saving the world, but they can't "save me". Every single time (I swear) that they've interfered they've made things unimaginably worse...In some ways I think that messes with their heads. I'm on a completely different level, but quite unwittingly


In a sense you are on a different wavelength then them. Isn't there always one in the family? The odd one out. Intertwined soul lessons and such. There to make the rest of the family aware of hidden truths and inconsistencies. There to make them aware of all the things they deny and suppress subconsciously. I can tell your family and your history/ancestry are areas within your life that you dedicate much of your time to better understanding. I'm the same way. I should have a reality show with my family titled, What's Eating NativelyJoan? LOL! You probably should too!

When I was younger, I grew to hide things, and to become very secretive because when I revealed things that I'd noticed, lies for horrific acts committed by my relatives, my family would shut me out or blame me for these things because I was so aware of them. I've been through a great deal in relation to my family. We have a very twisted ancestral history. I have so much to say on this topic. I see so many consistencies between the way you describe your situation, and what I've consistently experienced growing up. I love my family but I don't trust them. I'm going to add more to this in a bit.

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I'm the type of person that people open up to very easily, and not of my doing, they just open up like I'm a psychologist even if talking for only 2 minutes. I'm easy. But I value honesty more than anything.

I'm the same way. It's probably your Plutonian energy, which just cuts through appearances and people really feel like you can see into them and thus understand their strife. They open up to you because of the energy your exude and your powerful presence. And being a Libra Sun is a nice touch because you appear warm and pleasant. You naturally invite people toward you with your Venusian energy. People feel like you can understand them. It's probably why some people trust you the instant they meet you and others probably keep their distance because they sense your the intensity of your awareness. With MIS and those Scorpio placements and aspects coupled with your Sun in Libra, you definitely are a natural psychologist. USE IT! Change lives. It'll help you better understand yourself. You need to identify with others in order to understand yourself. And you go deep, with that Plutonian energy. It's time to get out the magnifying glass .

I value truth and information as well. Nothing escapes the mind. I can be aware of almost too much to my detriment, and people reveal a great deal to my also. But because I value information so much, I keep it hidden until it's necessary for it to be revealed. It's powerful to 'know' and I don't want to misuse that power. But I like to have a continued dialogue with those who shared very deep things with me. I try to extend to them a piece of the trust they've extended to me by being so honest and bare. Sometimes, the information they reveal can be terrifying, but I can't help them if I don't know what they keep hidden and deny. They don't even have to say anything, all it takes is one look. And the bridge crumbles. It's a gift to be able to connect with people in that way. For them to be so vulnerable and raw with you, it's so important to treat that information with the care and sensitivity it deserves. It's just tough because being a seer of sorts makes it easy for you to see into people, but they could never really see into you. You sometimes wonder why that is? Are they incapable? Or are we too guarded? It might be a mix of both.

Why do you think there are holes in the way you relate to your family or better yet what would you propose is the reasoning for the misunderstandings? Do you feel like your family intentionally ostracizes you? Paints you as the outsider? I kind of feel this way in my situation but I'm curious about yours. I'm all about relating, it makes it easier to make sense of the world, please share at your own discretion.

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posted May 11, 2012 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you ever notice that you can tell what a person fears by what fears they try to instill in you, or by what rules they illogically force you to abide?

That's how visible it is to me. But what's crazy is even when you reflect that back to them, instead of being like, OH!, and making any kind of adjustment, they double-down. It's sad.

When you say, "For them to be so vulnerable and raw with you, it's so important to treat that information with the care and sensitivity it deserves."

You have no idea!! I've been amazingly disciplined and respectful and discreet. If it's not appreciated, then you realize you really are dealing with dogs. I mean, again. What are the advantages of being born into this family?

It's kind of easy to say all the ways I can help people, etc. But it's physically impossible without some kind of support, either in return, or from others in my life. And not to sound like a cop out, but having a Moon in Cancer Opposite a Saturn in Capricorn (both in their Natural Rulers), it's extra hard because you're constantly struggling between emotions in the moment and objective longterm plans. An example is, you go to college to get a 4-year degree, and you get into a bad relationship which destroys everything.

I have a lot going on in my 4th House too, so a lot of upheavels, one after the other. The next situation to protect myself from the last. It's only recently I feel I've been able to break that cycle, but it's mostly because I'm older and getting tired.

You asked a good question about them being "capable" of "seeing" me, because for the last few weeks, when angry thoughts have bubbled up, I've been screaming to myself, "They're incapable of understanding the depth of my feelings, the depth of my character." And then I reply to myself, "It's as if they insist on having a monopoly on integrity."

The kind of people who think they're so smart, that no one else could possibly be so smart, and when you are, you're considered sneaky. There's a tremendous amount of "projection". They're so fixed on the concept of "fake it til you make it". But when someone really IS "it" they can only see it as a surface-level ploy. Does that make sense? Like a sick game.

As for why all this, the basics or how it started... it actually started before I was born. There's a lot of jealousy from those who are desperate to "rise up" in society. So much so that they don't consider any goal in life to be of value unless there is some type of tangible proof of it, such as in diplomas, trophy's or awards.

Honesty? Where's the tangible reward for that?

It's really crusty.

And if I get too honest about their behavior, I receive the brunt of the isolation and punishment by having slanderous lies said, etc. What I've had done & said to me, I'd never do or say to anyone in a million years.

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posted May 12, 2012 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Did you ever notice that you can tell what a person fears by what fears they try to instill in you, or by what rules they illogically force you to abide?
...The kind of people who think they're so smart, that no one else could possibly be so smart, and when you are, you're considered sneaky...So much so that they don't consider any goal in life to be of value unless there is some type of tangible proof of it, such as in diplomas, trophy's or awards.


It definitely all makes sense. People can be very twisted and ruthless when it comes to their intentions with others and with this world. It comes as a truly horrifying surprise when you discover that some of those people are within your own family. I'm so sorry you've been made to feel this way BackToEarth. No one deserves that kind of treatment especially not from your family. It makes giving love seem harder because of all the pain and misery that surrounds it's offering and acceptance.

I always thought it was interesting how much people can be so unaware of what they're projecting onto others and into the outside world. It can be pretty sickening to come to the realization that their ruthless behavior has nothing to do with you. It's all about the demons that live within themselves that they assumed were bolted tight in their minds. But what we repress will undoubtedly manifest if we don't deal with it. This is why detachment and objectivity is so important in our highly subjective world. Having the awareness of their intentions might not change the situation or their behavior, but at least we'll know the truth. What we'll do with that truth is up to us. But like you mentioned you're getting tired and trust me so am I. Sometimes walking away seems to be the most effective option for yourself. You've had enough strife learning how to integrate that very tough Moon/Saturn opposition in your chart. As well as everything else. It's been difficult.

As an Aquarius Rising with Uranus on the MC, I never understood the materialistic fascinations and obsessions we've had in our society. Especially in regards to public images, labels, material prosperity. The Universe isn't measuring our worth as spiritual beings by the number of degrees we hold or by the houses, land and cars we own. It's insanity this obsession with materialistic abundance as a representation for success and fortune in life. I throw that crap right out the window. Because their is no truth there. There is no peace living within the realms of a materialistic lifestyle. Measuring people by what they own and what's on the surface. It all means absolutely nothing. I can't be bothered with those types of individuals. It just becomes to much. Who are we trying to impress by flaunting our materialistic accumulations? Flaunting our degrees? These things mean nothing! Especially when there are those suffering in this world because of all this exploitation. It all makes no sense to me and makes me sick actually.

Don't allow their claws to get underneath your skin BTE. Keep perspective and continue to stay true to yourself. They're your family but everyone needs peace. Let the universe take over the burden. Peace is never too far away.

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posted May 12, 2012 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BackToEarth,

I really hope the best for you and I know you'll be able to get through this very difficult period in your life. The awareness you'll develop having gone through these experiences will transform you. So much so, the world will eventually cease to doubt your great value and your inherent aptitudes. You'll have nothing to prove, and the world will sit back and watch in awe.

I've come to the end of the road with this community on LL. It's time for me to take my time and energy to strengthen my real world connections. The cyber world is great but being with people interpersonally is even better. I've enjoyed the connections I've made with many on this forum including you. I'm just kind of tired and ready for other things, deeper connections that go beyond the walls of forums. If you would like to continue our discussions, let me know and we can email. But I won't be back on LL. It was a pleasure to meet you and I see great things for you. The strife that you're feeling is just another bump on your cosmic road. All the best .

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posted May 16, 2012 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NativelyJoan -

Thank you very much for taking time to respond to me, I've been carrying your words with me each day, but most of all, feeling a sense of peace that there's someone else out there with such similarities.

Yes, let's email. It's not safe to post online, so if you click CONTACT US, leave your email address for me, and let them know it's OK for them to give you mine. I'll leave a message at CONTACT US as well saying it's OK.

Had to take a break, partly due to technical problems. The Planets tugging and pulling so much. When I finally got back online realized that Venus (our Ruling Planet) just went Retrograde!

My Scorpio/Pluto energies always seem to know what to do ahead of time, and force me to recognize a plan of sorts, but it's still stretching me to the limit.

Again, it's synchronistic what you said about connecting out of the forum, because in anticipation of posting to you, I was going to specifically say that I'm realizing my need to feel a part of something, or part of a group in my brick & mortar life. I'm not such a young turkey anymore, so I'm looking for ideas.

Good to hear from you.

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posted May 18, 2012 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BackToEarth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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