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Topic: where does astrology end for you?
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RegardesPlatero
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posted March 29, 2012 08:13 PM
  
So, I was thinking about this the other day; wanted to see what other people thought.Some people are really into the minutiae of astrology, down to angles, degrees, asteroids, etc. Given how many asteroids there are (to my understanding, in the millions), where does astrology stop for you? It would be overwhelming to consider EVERY single asteroid. I don't even know that it would be possible. And if you're going to measure every single degree, every single angle, every single possible aspect (down to really obscure/not-commonly-used ones) or relationship...where does it end? How do you find what's really important and not get overwhelmed or bogged down? Just curious to know how far people go and why they go where they go. No right or wrong answers on this one; it was just something that I was thinking about recently and was curious to see other opinions or ideas. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 29, 2012 08:21 PM
For me the only asteroids I take into consideration are Eros and Juno and even then... I wouldn't factor them into compatibility or synastry. I also don't do the "semi-conjunct, decile" crap. It's either an aspect or it isn't. For orbs I consider the aspect; for conjunctions I use an orb of 10 'cause they're powerful, for progression an orb of 2 degrees, for squares up to 8, trines and sextiles about 6. I don't go overboard like some people where it "doesn't count" if it's more than 3, lol. I also place more importance on the ascendant than the moon but since it's harder to assess...I focus mainly on the main aspects and planets; actually, I almost go overboard since in most cases (unless the person's chart is overwhelmed by a neighbouring sign) I think sun sign alone is "good enough" to go on, and ascendant (if I've got it). IP: Logged |
Libreo
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posted March 29, 2012 08:23 PM
I only look at the rising, sun, moon, mercury, venus & mars to get a general idea of a person's nature. IP: Logged |
Sashar
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posted March 29, 2012 08:31 PM
I try and keep it as simplistic as possible. For example: Sun (Basic Character)
conjunct (working directly with)
Saturn (Responsibilities Depression)
Virgo (Mutable Earth)
9th House (Long Distance Travel Ethics Religion Inlaws etc) Everything else I take with a grain of salt. More because I believe Astrology is explaining existence in it's largest denominator (while most science describes it in its smallest), and because you can break things down into infinity but eventually it just turns to chaos. I'm interested in taking it in its most simplified form and figuring out how to prove it while leaving most of the word science of it to the professionals. There are a ton of people who can delve deeper into the complex mysteries and do wonders with it... but I see the beauty in its simplicities.  When I first saw this picture, I thought THAT... THAT is a visual representation of what Astrology is. (without knowing anything about it) ------------------
Felines and dames in flames
Will hardly serve my aims
But in my dreams, it seems
That my eyes are always shooting laser beams IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted March 29, 2012 08:42 PM
Depends on the placements and ORBS. I only start paying attention to asteroids and minor aspects when I've fully understood a chart. Asteroids only come into play for me if they're really significant (mostly conjunctions and oppositions... I ignore trines and sextiles).IP: Logged |
ShyVirgo1979
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posted March 29, 2012 08:48 PM
I only go as far as what I can comprehend. I tend to dimiss asteriods that aren't conjunct or opposed. Then again, I have a lot to learn yet  or if an orb is way too wide, I don't read all too much into it. But that's just me.IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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From: San Diego CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 29, 2012 09:13 PM
For me, this question is like asking "Where does math end?". I generally stop at the basics (planets, signs, aspects), but will explore other branches of astrology, if the basics don't seem to add up sufficiently.In the case of synastry for example, I feel progressions provide a lot of good results, so I dip into that a bit. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted March 30, 2012 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Sashar:
I try and keep it as simplistic as possible. For example: Sun (Basic Character)
conjunct (working directly with)
Saturn (Responsibilities Depression)
Virgo (Mutable Earth)
9th House (Long Distance Travel Ethics Religion Inlaws etc) Everything else I take with a grain of salt. More because I believe Astrology is explaining existence in it's largest denominator (while most science describes it in its smallest), and because you can break things down into infinity but eventually it just turns to chaos. I'm interested in taking it in its most simplified form and figuring out how to prove it while leaving most of the word science of it to the professionals. There are a ton of people who can delve deeper into the complex mysteries and do wonders with it... but I see the beauty in its simplicities. When I first saw this picture, I thought THAT... THAT is a visual representation of what Astrology is. (without knowing anything about it)
Perfectly said
Thank you
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hannaramaa
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posted March 30, 2012 01:38 AM
I use astrology to figure out personalities and potential relationships and that's about it. I like looking at their chart (provided I have their right birth time) and then watching them to see what they portray and thinking about what aspect that might be attributed to. I'm not into Progressive charts or Horary though, partially because I don't understand and partially because I just don't care.Aries 11th H, Taurus moon 11th, Gem ASC IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted March 30, 2012 02:07 AM
I only go as far as I can comprehend too. The asteroids I consider are vertex, if that is one, juno, and eros, and part of fortune.
Anyhow, I hardly even look for those, I think the basics tell you a lot about a person: their big three's in what houses and their mars, mer, and venus. Since I believe in compatibilism, I only believe in astrology to the extent the theory would allow. Taurus/12th, Scorpio/6th, Cancer Asc. IP: Logged |
vickymadness
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posted March 30, 2012 04:47 AM
To get idea about the person I see their rising and sun ... If I don't know the rising i will go for the sun,moon and venus/mars In relationships I usually go with the aspects by signs , not orbits ... The things that I do NOT take into consideration in astrology :
all the asteroids , your life path, what's going to happen to you , your facial features... I'd like to keep it simple and smart 
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RegardesPlatero
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posted March 30, 2012 06:25 AM
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aquaguy91
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posted March 30, 2012 06:35 AM
i agree on not paying too much aspects to orbs because i can feel certain aspects that are supposed to be out of orb,but i disagree on cusps because i have seen their effects ,my brother is a leo:sun,ascendant,moon,mercury,venus,and mars,and heres the catch they are all near or on the 29th degree of leo,if cusps didnt exist shouldnt he be the most leo person you could ever possibly meet? In reality he acts slightly more virgo than leo,yea he has a magnetic personality and is loud,but he is very responsible and is a total healthnut,he only eats organic food and is a pennypincher.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2012 07:16 AM
To me, the chart is embodied by the Bible verse"God numbers the hairs on our heads" God knit our bodies together in the womb. How amazing. You would think he would give US an indication of who we were so we could use it to go through life. The chart is that, to me.IP: Logged |
vickymadness
Knowflake Posts: 854
From: Minnesota
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posted March 30, 2012 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i agree on not paying too much aspects to orbs because i can feel certain aspects that are supposed to be out of orb,but i disagree on cusps because i have seen their effects ,my brother is a leo:sun,ascendant,moon,mercury,venus,and mars,and heres the catch they are all near or on the 29th degree of leo,if cusps didnt exist shouldnt he be the most leo person you could ever possibly meet? In reality he acts slightly more virgo than leo,yea he has a magnetic personality and is loud,but he is very responsible and is a total healthnut,he only eats organic food and is a pennypincher.
agree with you , am on the 0.54 degree of aries and I do have a blend of fire and water in me ... And I have only one watery planet, so I guess the rest of the water impact comes from pisces/aries cusp IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted March 30, 2012 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, the chart is embodied by the Bible verse"God numbers the hairs on our heads" God knit our bodies together in the womb. How amazing. You would think he would give US an indication of who we were so we could use it to go through life. The chart is that, to me.
i like this,even though astrology is frowned upon in the christian community it is amazing how many astrological references there are in the bible. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 30, 2012 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
agree with you , am on the 0.54 degree of aries and I do have a blend of fire and water in me ... And I have only one watery planet, so I guess the rest of the water impact comes from pisces/aries cusp
whats your moon sign? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 07:27 AM
I agree with most of you guys - I try to keep it simple.Generally, planets, signs, angles/houses and aspects are sufficient to get a clear picture of someone/a relationship. Orbs do matter, I think. You simply cannot overlook them if you want to be somewhat right in your analysis. The houses are VERY important, because they are so personal, and although I admit they can be quite confusing because there are so many different house systems, they still play a crucial role when reading a chart. You just have to find what fits you best, and go from there. The other day I was looking at the DSC of some people I know who were/are in a relationship, and I wanted to see if there was actually a link between the DSC, its ruler, the aspects, etc and the kind of partner they attract or the kind of relationship they have. In my mother's case for example, it was striking, my father fit her DSC quite well; and now her current boyfriend has similar placements to my father's so they fit, again. This is also true for many others, so I've come to the conclusion that the DSC and its ruler tell tons about the kind of partner/relationship will be predominant in your life (not talking about crushes, or light romances -> 5th house). So the DSC is really not overrated, it should always be taken into account.
This of course, goes for all the houses.. When I don't have someone's TOB and just the chart with planets and aspects, it's *really* not enough, because the houses are so descriptive of our life concerns. When I do have the TOB, it is really easy to see how the different planets/aspects in houses play out in someone; it's fascinating. So to me, the best thing to do is to stick to the basics, because they provide a lot of information as is; asteroids are nowhere near as important, in my opinion (unless they are very strongly aspected, I guess). IP: Logged |
vickymadness
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posted March 30, 2012 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
whats your moon sign?
Gemini IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 4490
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 30, 2012 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Gemini
that is an interesting combination IP: Logged |
vickymadness
Knowflake Posts: 854
From: Minnesota
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posted March 30, 2012 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
that is an interesting combination
 but maybe the Piscesian qualities comes from having 2 planets in the 12th house and one of them having a grand trine with venus and jupiter ... and aspecting the sun and the ASC ... and the other planet is aspecting mercury ? or that doesn't make a sense ? IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 30, 2012 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
but maybe the Piscesian qualities comes from having 2 planets in the 12th house and one of them having a grand trine with venus and jupiter ... and aspecting the sun and the ASC ... and the other planet is aspecting mercury ? or that doesn't make a sense ?
haha i have sun,saturn,and north node in the twelfth and people have guessed me as a pisces,so that could be it. what planets do you have in the twelfth? IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted March 30, 2012 08:18 AM
Interesting question!!!!  Hmmmm... I'll take any planets, asteroids so long as they provide good positive aspects and it relates well. Its all an ongoing research and experiment. I try to take things with negative aspects/connotations less seriously unless it is my own personal chart. Currently, with my limited knowledge, astrology doesn't help in preventive measures nor can I use it as predictive tool. I can only use it as a verification tool. IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted March 30, 2012 08:21 AM
erhmmm.... as usual I seem to be a bit left of centre on this topic!  . I LOVE analysing charts to the nth degree, no asteroid is too insignificant for me! No aspect is too weird. It is a source of endless fascination which is why I normally end up on "unpopular" threads. When I analyse a chart it becomes a marathon task. Consequently, I don't end up doing too many because just one can take me a year to do. I can't help myself; every nuance has to be mulled over endlessly.I think this obsesssion with detail has its roots in the fact that I have a lot of planets in Virgo in 4th including Mars/Uranus/Pluto conjunction plus my sun/moon midpoint there. ie. an obsessive (pluto) drive (Mars) to understand every crazy obscure (Uranus) detail (Virgo) of the foundations of the psyche (4th) IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 08:30 AM
Taineberry, I could see "VIRGO" written all over, before you even mentioned it! It's not necessarily bad really, especially if you enjoy it; as long as you can still see the forest for the trees! IP: Logged |
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