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Sashar
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posted April 02, 2012 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The test of an Astrologer is not in their ability to show people who they are, but in their ability to put their experience and knowledge to the test.

I don't know how well this is going to go over, but I hope like heck that everyone latches on to it with the same ferocity that I would.

Personally, I am less interested in what things mean and intensely more interested in figuring out ways to prove it. There are a ton of people out there with a ton more experience than I in what things mean, how things work together, and what it could show. For me, it's more important to learn how to find this stuff rather than learn how to read it myself (though I do still enjoy learning it myself).

So today I present you with a challenge.

I asked for volunteers in my group of friends to send me their Birthdate, Time, and place... and had them fill out a set of questions. From these questions, I ask you as a community (not individuals), to discuss and find their date and time of birth.

Since I am still a novice when it comes to Astrology, I understand that my questions may not be good ones. My attempt was to ask a question directly related to each planet, and hope that each of the answers would relate to the sign, any aspects, and the house it's situated. I ask you, that while you are attempting to find the date and time of birth to also discuss a series of 10 other questions you would like answered from the volunteer. These questions must be agreed on by the majority of the community before I send them to the volunteer... so please, don't waste them. Try and find the date/time, and use the questions to fill in the gaps.

I will consider it successful if you can find the date and the time within a 4 hour time frame.

I choose this volunteer specifically because I do not know her personally and felt her answers had some key phrases that might make it easier. If this goes over well, I have a few others that people could play around with.

These are the instructions I sent:

quote:
I understand that these can be some extremely personal questions to answer, but I need them all answered as honestly as possible. Basically it's an all or nothing type deal.

In answering, you are agreeing that it is OK for me to post your answers on a public forum in order to continue with this project. You are also agreeing to answer follow up questions that I may send.

Your name will never be revealed publicly, and after the project is completed I will send you a link to the forum with the information. Should you find it before then, I do ask that you do not participate in the project or that will just mess it all up. XD

After any question that doesn't specifically request an example, if you choose, a personal example would be helpful (but not necessary).


The questions and answers will be in the following post.

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Felines and dames in flames
Will hardly serve my aims
But in my dreams, it seems
That my eyes are always shooting laser beams

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Sashar
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posted April 02, 2012 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
??, 1991. Dunedin, Florida. ?? EST. - Female

1. Describe yourself in any way you wish, at any length.

Creative, cynical, witty, wise.

2. Tell me about any emotional event in your life and how it effected you internally.
and
Do you find it easy or difficult to relate to your emotions?

Today, my dad is coming home from prison. I haven't seen him in years. I'm aware that I should feel excited, or sad, or anything at all, but the truth is, I'm feigning any emotions. I know I definitely don't want him to stay, and I definitely would rather him be here, but my emotions work in a weird way. I know it's a positive feeling, but I'm numb. Unless it's a sense of complete urgency, where anger or fear would need to be an immediate response for a survivalist reason, I sometimes don't know how major events affect me until years down the line. So I would say I never really know how anything affects me internally until long after it's happened, and I'm quiet about it. The same thing happened when my mother had a heart attack just several days ago. I handled it the same way.
I would say it's neither easy nor difficult to relate to my emotions because it's an organic process that occurs essentially without my knowledge. I keep a cooler head no matter what, and automatically wind up in leadership roles based on my ability to do so.

3. Do you find it easy or difficult to communicate your thoughts and ideas to people?
and
Do you find it easy or difficult to understand complex concepts that people attempt to explain to you?

Most often, I'm excellent at communicating my thoughts and ideas to people, but I won't even bother doing it unless my thought or idea is the most effective or has the most factual correctness and logic behind it. I don't find it difficult to understand complex concepts that people try to explain to me, as long as they're about sensical things. If someone tries to explain their own complex thought process to me, I become lost if it isn't an efficient way to think.

4. What does love mean to you?
and
What types of things (objects or actions) do you like that is relatively unique to you?

Love is the ultimate friendship with a member of the sex you find attractive. Love is NOT having to be up someone's ass constantly, or worrying about losing someone or being cheated on. Unless you have that ultimate comfortable state where you're not worried about loss, abuse, or infidelity, that's what love is.

What types of things, objects or actions do I like that is relatively unique to me? Since this was under the love category, I'm going to assume it's intended to mean in a love situation. I would say that my perfect kind of date is Taco Bell and a movie in bed. Love should be an escape from your every day stresses and your partner should be able to see you both at your best and your worst and be accepting of you in both ways.

If this doesn't have to do specifically with the love category, I like victorian medical antiques, collecting insects, coffee table sized art books, authentic foreign food, and unique literature.

5. How motivated of a person are you?
and
When you become angry, how do you relate to that feeling?

I'm very motivated as long as it's for an important reason.
Anger is usually an immediate response to something, and if it's a problem or something that needs to be fixed, I handle it on the spot so that I don't have to revisit the issue or situation.

6. If you were to abbreviate your personal ethic system into a saying or thought, how would you do so?
and
Describe a situation where you felt a personal growth in yourself or your belief structure.

Eat the rich. Art is a religion. First do no harm.
I can't isolate a single situation where I felt personal growth in my belief structure. It's evolved this way, and as time has passed without it ceasing to work for me, I've kept it.

7. How would you define responsibility?
and
Do you consider yourself a responsible person?
and
How often do you suffer from depressive tendencies?

I would define responsibility, essentially as independence. If you are irresponsible, you need to be codependent on someone who isn't.

I do consider myself a responsible person.

I only suffer from depressive tendencies related to hormones, but I'm able to rationalize them as they arise.

8. If you were to describe one aspect of yourself that is different from what you view to be normal, what would it be?
and
What type of activities do you find to be the most thrilling, exciting, or reckless?

I think that the least normal thing about me is my overwhelming desire to be inhuman. That sounds alarming at first. I don't want to be an animal, or a mythical creature. I just want to evolve into the next step above human, because I feel like staying here is weighing me down.
Here's where I start to sound boring. I find bargain hunting to be thrilling and exciting. I find exploring abandoned buildings with dark history behind them to be all three. Ultimately, as you can see, it varies across the board.

9. Describe briefly your idea of romance, and how important it is in your life?
and
Do you find yourself indulging in fantasies often (daydreams or actively)?

Romance is not at all important to me. I would say that love is significant, but love and romance are significantly different concepts in my eyes. To me, romance is something unrealistic and childish. There are so many romance fiction novels because you'll never find a nonfiction situation in which "romance" has actually been the way that it's often portrayed to be. I think you would have to lack the ability to express emotions properly and effectively if you're a "hopeless romantic" type.

I do find myself indulging in fantasies when I lay down to sleep or nap, but seldom to never do they involve love.

10. How easy or difficult is it for you to handle major change?
and
What is your personal definition of obsession?
and
Have you ever obsessed over something, if so, what?

It depends on the change. If it's necessary than I absolutely embrace it. If there are other ways to effectively handle a situation that don't involve drastic measure, then I resent excessively wasting effort for an unnecessary change.

An obsession is a strong preference about something that dictates how you live your life and what decisions you make.

I have an obsessive tendency about the way things are packaged. If I feel they're packaged inefficiently, I will refuse to buy or use them. This is an obsession that effects my job, but not in a way that's difficult to work around.

11. How do other people in general view you as a person?
and
What is your opinion of their view?

Opinions of me are all across the board. Those who have negative views of me tend to be people that everyone would agree are not very good people, and they dislike me because if they try to become involved in my life, I don't hesitate to tell them that I want no part of what they're about.
People who have positive opinions of me tend to be generally good people with good intentions.

I don't have an opinion of anyone's view. That's their view. If they don't like me, I don't care about them. If they do like me, then that's wonderful.

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Sashar
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posted April 02, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want any suggestions, before I go look at her chart. I'd say, since you know the year of her birth... focusing on aspects to generational planets might be helpful.

Also, the length of an answer in any given section is just as telling as the words.

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Sashar
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posted April 02, 2012 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did I do it wrong?

Are people just not interested in this kind of fun?
or am I just being impatient?

To me this seems like it would be an incredibly easy task. With knowing the year of birth you know:

Sun sign - 1 of 12
Moon sign - 1 of 12
Mercury - 1 of 12
Venus - 1 of 12
Mars - 1 of 8
Jupiter - 1 of 2
Saturn - 1 of 2
Uranus - 1 of 1
Neptune - 1 of 1
Pluto - 1 of 1

If you don't work at it from top down (starting with the sun sign), and instead work at it from bottom up (generational planets)... it makes it even more simple.

What causes the complication that is making people hesitant from accepting this particular type of challenge? (Not this one specifically but in general).

To fail means nothing, but to succeed means a world of change.

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Felines and dames in flames
Will hardly serve my aims
But in my dreams, it seems
That my eyes are always shooting laser beams

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Faith
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posted April 02, 2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can sometimes guess birthdays if I see a person moving and talking. Not good with pics or just reading words on a page.

However, if the birth year is correct, I'll say that she doesn't seem like a typical Sheep person. AND she seems Cappy. So Capricorn/Horse (early 1991 is Horse) would fit the bill.

I can't figure much of anything else out, but just for fun: Her emotions sound like air to me, so I'd guess an air moon.

Her writing seems Sag..Sag Merc?

Virgo rising? It all seems Fall & Winter.

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Sashar
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posted April 02, 2012 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
I can sometimes guess birthdays if I see a person moving and talking. Not good with pics or just reading words on a page.

However, if the birth year is correct, I'll say that she doesn't seem like a typical Sheep person. AND she seems Cappy. So Capricorn/Horse (early 1991 is Horse) would fit the bill.

I can't figure much of anything else out, but just for fun: Her emotions sound like air to me, so I'd guess an air moon.

Her writing seems Sag..Sag Merc?

Virgo rising? It all seems Fall & Winter.


Yay! A reply! I was getting worried, of course that's a constant state of being for me so... lol

You have the idea, was there anything specific that she said that led to any of these thoughts? Words, phrases or topics?

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sand
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posted April 02, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sashar
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posted April 02, 2012 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aprox placements for 1991

Mercury
Jan 1 - Jan 13 - Sagittarius
Jan 14 - Feb 4 - Capricorn
Feb 5 - Feb 23 - Aquarius
Feb 24 - Mar 10 - Pisces
Mar 11 - May 15 - Aries
May 16 - Jun 4 - Taurus
Jun 5 - Jun 18 - Gemini
Jun 19 - Jul 3 - Cancer
Jul 4 - Jul 25 - Leo
Jul 26 - Aug 18 - Virgo
Aug 19 - Sep 9 - Leo
Sep 10 - Sep 27 - Virgo
Sep 28 - Oct 14 - Libra
Oct 15 - Nov 3 - Scorpio
Nov 4 - Dec 31 - Sagittarius


Venus
Jan 1 - Jan 4 - Capricorn
Jan 5 - Jan 28 - Aquarius
Jan 29 - Feb 21 - Pisces
Feb 22 - Mar 17 - Aries
Mar 18 - Apr 12 - Taurus
Apr 13 - May 8 - Gemini
May 9 - Jun 5 - Cancer
Jun 6 - Jul 10 - Leo
Jul 11 - Aug 20 - Virgo
Nov 9 - Dec 5 - Libra
Dec 6 - Dec 30 - Scorpio
Dec 31 - Sagittarius


Mars
Jan 1 - Jan 21 - Gemini
Jan 22 - Apr 3 - Cancer
April 4 - May 26 - Leo
July 16 - Sept 1 - Libra
Sept 2 - Oct 15 - Scorpio
Oct 16 - Nov 29 - Sagittarius
Nov 30 - Dec 31 - Capricorn


Jupiter
Jan 1 - Sept 11 - Leo
Sept 12 - Dec 31 - Virgo


Saturn
Jan 1 - Feb 7 - Capricorn
Feb 8 - Dec 31 - Aquarius


Uranus
Capricorn


Neptune
Capricorn


Pluto
Scorpio

As taken from Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs. I don't think she would be too upset that I'm using the above for this.


Find something you're sure of and work from there. I have absolute faith that if you work as a team, you can figure it out.

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Astrology Activism: The constant strive to not just learn the intricate details of Astrology but the desire to constantly find new ways to prove that it exists in a scientific manner.
Failure to incorporate the later into your work is akin to learning how to cure cancer but not sharing it with anyone.

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