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the89freespirit
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posted April 03, 2012 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I've been wondering, are there any theories out there about what signs the Midheaven and Ascendant are in exalted and fallen in? If there are, I've never come across them.

But here are my theories:
The Ascendant is obviously dignified in Aries; the sign correlating with the 1st house. Same with Midheaven in Capricorn.
Libra Ascendant is technically 'detrimental', the opposite of Aries. Cancer Midheaven would also be in detriment.

As far as exaltations:
Virgo Ascendant - EXALTED. At first I was thinking of a Fire sign like Leo or Sagittarius. But, I feel that'd be a bit too obvious. I think the Ascendant can be exalted in Virgo because Virgo Rising tends to pay close to attention to appearance. Not necessarily in a vain way, but they come across as very put-together. The nice, neat ways of Virgo can make an excellent first impression. They are usually good-looking people and project an air of intelligence and competence right away. There is also usually exceptional clarity about the Self and who they are from the get go.

Pisces Ascendant - FALLEN. One of the main reasons why I picked Virgo as the Ascendant's exaltation is because Pisces first came to mind for a fallen Ascendant. If Virgo is super-clear about who they are, Pisces is equally unclear. Thus, the Pisces Rising's self-projection is not independent and too easily influenced and changed by the people around them. Since the Ascendant is a certain image and Pisces is made up of endless, vague images, I'd think that traditionally speaking the Ascendant is fallen in Pisces.

Scorpio Midheaven - EXALTED. Besides Capricorn, Scorpio is probably the most purposeful signs around. The Midheaven is all about personal purpose and a life's calling. Scorpio is so whole-hearted and passionate and I believe the total intensity of this sign can create amazing results when placed in the Midheaven. Look at Barack Obama, who's Midheaven is in Scorpio and who beat out all the odds to make history. Plus, the Moon is opposite the Midheaven so if Scorpio is fallen in the Moon, I'd imagine it's exalted in the Midheaven. And Scorpio makes a powerful impact on its environment like no other sign and people with a Scorpio Midheaven are bound to be remembered (for better or worse).

Taurus Midheaven - FALLEN. One of the main reasons because it's the opposing sign of Scorpio, of course. Scorpio focuses on change so there's a tremendous amount of motivation when it's in the Midheaven. Taurus, however, is the total opposite and I'd imagine that Taurus Midheaven people can suffer from plenty of stagnation in their personal development. Taurus is so intent on retaining the status quo that sometimes there can be no purpose to what it does. It just does it because that's the way it is and that doesn't produce the kind of challenges needed to progress in one's life. Not saying Taurus Midheavens are doomed to failure, of course, but it might be harder for them to compel themselves to get out there and make something happen.

So, do you agree or disagree with my choices and why?

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posted April 03, 2012 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on how I draw up my chart, but if I use equal houses, I have Taurus on the midheaven:

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. Taurus, however, is the total opposite and I'd imagine that Taurus Midheaven people can suffer from plenty of stagnation in their personal development. Taurus is so intent on retaining the status quo that sometimes there can be no purpose to what it does. It just does it because that's the way it is and that doesn't produce the kind of challenges needed to progress in one's life. Not saying Taurus Midheavens are doomed to failure, of course, but it might be harder for them to compel themselves to get out there and make something happen.

It's hard for me to tell since 1) I'm a Capricorn, and 2) my south node is also in Taurus, 10th house.

I don't care about the status quo except insofar as I have to be aware of it so I don't shock people too much.

But I stagnate sometimes, yes I do. Mainly because I don't like doing anything halfway...yet I have this discrepancy between private and public goals.

I have a singleton Cap sun, about which I am told, I have to let it shine, and I shouldn't be such a loner.

On the other hand I have NN in the 4th, about which I am told to get off my high horse and stop thinking about fame and fortune. Bake cookies instead. Make quilts.

This morning I made gluten free apple muffins from scratch (4th house NN) and now I am telling everyone about it (singleton sun, Leo rising.)

That's the best I can do to juggle these aims, sometimes.


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posted April 03, 2012 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Taurus Midheaven - FALLEN. One of the main reasons because it's the opposing sign of Scorpio, of course. Scorpio focuses on change so there's a tremendous amount of motivation when it's in the Midheaven. Taurus, however, is the total opposite and I'd imagine that Taurus Midheaven people can suffer from plenty of stagnation in their personal development. Taurus is so intent on retaining the status quo that sometimes there can be no purpose to what it does. It just does it because that's the way it is and that doesn't produce the kind of challenges needed to progress in one's life. Not saying Taurus Midheavens are doomed to failure, of course, but it might be harder for them to compel themselves to get out there and make something happen.

So, do you agree or disagree with my choices and why?



I'm a Taurus Midheaven and I completely concur. I always assumed that my inflexibility and lack of ambition/purpose was due to my dearth of earth signs and, contrarily, abundance of fixed signs (5 in total) in my chart which make me extremely set in my ways and routines, but after reading your assessment, I realize it could just as easily be my Taurus midheaven. Somewhat ironic as I've always imagined Taurus as a very driven sign (to acquire material things), but that could just be a sun sign and Venusian sign expression and the Taurus influence could manifest differently when it's just representative (as it would be in the midheaven).

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posted April 03, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
But here are my theories:
The Ascendant is obviously dignified in Aries; the sign correlating with the 1st house. Same with Midheaven in Capricorn.
Libra Ascendant is technically 'detrimental', the opposite of Aries. Cancer Midheaven would also be in detriment.

sorta agree with this but not sure really. the difference i see is the aries cap, theoretically seems like a self starter, whereas the libra cancer prefers to connect with other people.

depends on the industry as well. iv seen aries caps in entertainment that are just hopeless even tho they may have the drive. i believe they may lack knowing what people want, which is what a cancer mc would be good at.

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posted April 03, 2012 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lava Flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that's interesting, and although I do think Scorpio MC is a great choice, I wanted to say that most Hollywood stars who have Leo rising have Taurus MC so I bet that the combination of the two angles are unique in their expression over all. As far as impact, Scorpio on MC is powerful.


I would likely go with Sagittarius rising as being exalted, even though Virgo does make a lot of sense. Saggi is "obvious", but if our ASC is the glass thru which we see the world, boy would I love to see it through their eyes. Possibilities, knowledge around every corner, plenty of optimism to spread around. And not to mention they are all super gorgeous!!

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posted April 03, 2012 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Planet Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How can an axis point be exalted? The Ascendant and Midheaven is relative to each individual and has nothing to do with dignities because they are not planets.

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posted April 03, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^yes that was what i think smilingheart was mentioning in the beauty thread or something. plus we are treating the ascendant like the sun if we say aries rising is exalted no?

so what else can we look at then for angle strength? astro123 includes the asc when computing for dominants.

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posted April 03, 2012 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sand:
^yes that was what i think smilingheart was mentioning in the beauty thread or something. plus we are treating the ascendant like the sun if we say aries rising is exalted no?

so what else can we look at then for angle strength? astro123 includes the asc when computing for dominants.



So does AstroLibrary, my Leo rising contributed to fire being the second-most dominant element in my chart.

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posted April 04, 2012 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Leo MC?

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posted April 04, 2012 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Planet Queen on this one, no dignities and debilities for the axes.

It is an interesting idea though!

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posted April 04, 2012 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Planet Queen:
How can an axis point be exalted? The Ascendant and Midheaven is relative to each individual and has nothing to do with dignities because they are not planets.


So are planets.

If domicile exists,e.g Asc in Aries,why wouldn't exaltation exist?

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posted April 04, 2012 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i remembered this reading about cancer mc..

Keep in mind that Cancer on the MC is opposite the natural sign on the MC, Capricorn. As such, people with Cancer on the MC are in many ways going for quality instead of quantity. They're not looking for professional success as much as they seek to connect with people, the earth, immediate concerns of what is happening around them rather than what's happening 'out there.' 

Great hardship can be seen through those who have Cancer MC because many times the direction and guide in the world for them, the usual authority figure, is simply missing.  That rudder, you might say, was not there. As a result they often parent themselves and have to find their own way in a sometimes hostile world.  The Cancer MC sign would often see it that way.  Those with a Cancer Midheaven can have very thin skins, you might say.  Not the rough and tumble profile that Capricorn MC's can often have.  http://www.janetboyer.com/Midheaven_in_Cancer.html

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posted April 04, 2012 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Not the rough and tumble profile that Capricorn MC's can often have.

I've been questioning my MC, lately.
I don't think it's in Capricorn because I am nowhere near being ambitious, interested in business, responsible or hard-working or any of the things usually associated with Capricorn.

I think it *might* be in Aquarius, instead.
Really not sure about it though, because I have no exact TOB; my chart is actually probably not accurate to the degree.

But on the other hand, my progressed MC is in Aquarius, and it's been there for years, so maybe that could explain it?

This is so confusing.

But anyway, I still don't think exaltations, detriment and all that stuff can apply to axes, it doesn't make sense to me.

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posted April 04, 2012 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Janet: So now we’re at the next to the last Sign in this interview series. I’m especially interested in the Aquarius MC, because that is my 6 year old son’s placement. Barry, I bet there’s some conflict between Saturn ruled Capricorn (the Midheaven’s natural placement), and the Uranian influence of Aquarius!

Barry: Those with an Aquarius Midheaven can live out two sets of what are apparently contradictory or opposing world views: 1) 'towing the line' conservative values and/or 2) views that have little relationship to the world as they see it. One side of the person easily finds their place within the world while the other side is forever attempting to find out where, with whom or how they fit into it. One side is conforming and the other, challenging; one side is happy with the way the world is and the other side wants to tear it down. Most people come down on one side or the other. But most people fall into the 70/30 majority; they are mainly working within a system, while also trying to improve it or make it better by introducing elements or idea from the 'outside'.   It's those individuals with a 50/50 split that really have a problem with both conforming and rebelling. Nothing works for long.  Once they seem to have settled in and it looks like they have found their place in their career's, families, or whatever, they rebel and try to get out! 

For those who seem to find themselves on the outside, feeling socially ostracized, they want to feel included, yet fear that they will lose something once they are actually and relatively successful in getting in.  Why this is the case with many with Aquarius on their MC's is that Saturn and Uranus are arch enemies.  The Aquarius/Uranus MC person is learning either how to take something that already exists and remake it into something more up to date or current, bringing a little Uranian energy into something that is Saturnine, while the Aquarius/Saturn side is learning how to bring more practicality or reality into all of their ideas and concepts. One is learning how to improve or even revolutionize the world (Uranus) while the other is learning how to be a constructive and productive part of it (Saturn). Either way, such people are usually not in lack of ideas! Guidance from a father figure? Absolutely! Going beyond the efforts of his/her own father or father figure? Definitely. The strong desire to be one yourself? Yes and no. Most people find their way, eventually incorporating and living out in a constructive way both sides of their MC nature.

One could say that they are here to experience both things as true; that something can be true and not so true at the same time.  Such people embody these kinds of oppositional tendencies. We have to thank these folks because they can truly walk the tightrope between 'the way it was' and the 'way that it will be or is becoming'.  If you want to change something or parts of your life that are not working, you have to honor your current circumstances and responsibilities while you begin to incorporate the new shift in your life.  Those who have mastered Aquarius on their Midheaven are like bridges from the past (which was once the present) to the present (which will certainly become the future). Sometimes change happens quickly.  But it's usually better for everyone when the Aquarius MC person leads to change yet respects and is responsible to the past as they have themselves created it. 

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Janet: Well, Barry, now we're at the Capricorn Midheaven--the natural "home" of the MC. I'm especially interested in this Midheaven placement because it's where my MC is located. How does the Capricorn Midheaven placement manifest itself in a person's life?

Barry: We've practically come full circle around the wheel of the zodiac, and now we're at the 'top' of the natural chart. Capricorn is a Cardinal/Earth sign. One saying that I like to associate with Capricorn Midheaven is, "You came here on planet earth to do, be or realize something. What is it? Rehearsal is over. Now is the time."

So with all Cardinal signs it's about doing, and as an Earth sign, it's about doing that here on the earth itself. I see Capricorn as one of the more spiritual signs because those of us who are more realized about our true spiritual nature are those of us who are trying to bring whatever that is about our transcendent nature to earth, incarnate, here and now. Capricorn MC's desire to bring that essence or 'perfection' to earth through their work always wish to have one of those perfect days, where you say, do, speak, think and act in a way that represents the highest potential (Capricorn is the 'highest' sign on the natural zodiacal wheel) of who you are as a spiritual being with an earth body and all the rest of us that is earth-bound and earth-concerned.. Of course this can also be framed in terms of a week, month, year, three years or an entire lifetime.

This need to 'be all you can be' is found nowhere more focused and intense than through the Capricorn MC. Then I also think that God/dess also has a sense of humor, or at least a need to test us out to see how much of that transcendent nature is really here or not. We get these tests when things happen to us that do not (and cannot) make sense to us or anyone else in terms of a strictly 'time and space' point of view. Another way of saying this is that bad things happen to good people and I don't care how you slice it, things just don't make sense. For example, a nine year old girl dies at the hands of a drunk driver, etc. You know what I'm talking about. It is circumstances like these that test the Capricorn MC. And if Capricorn Midheaven attempts to try to 'answer' such things without what we would call a 'larger perspective' such a person will become bitter, judgmental and caught on this earth plane of pain and suffering like no other. It'll even put Scorpio MC's to shame.

So what's the antidote? That depends on the person. But in some way, such a person should not--and really cannot--shirk from whatever deep sense of responsibility about what they should do about their misfortune. Highest types are people that have really been to hell and come back perhaps more than a little scarred, but that light is still coming out of their eyes. It hasn't been blanketed by their own pain, suffering or the 'wrongs' of others and of the world itself. This is a heavy order to have had been laid on a person. They are enmeshed in and on earth like no other. And they have to find their own way to get through it. And you get through it, buy getting through it. The way you get out of here, to heaven, is to go through here, the earth. You can't go around thinking you can get to heaven (if it exists) by that route. That would be cheating. Yes, Capricorn MC's will get a little beat up on the way, but do they have the resolve, determination and drive to see it through with every bit of strength they can muster in the time that they have here on earth. These are great mentors to have in your life because they will give their last drop of blood so that when their time passes, when their time has run out, that baton is given to those who stand waiting for their turn here on earth.

Janet: Oh my gosh, Barry, I can't believe how accurate this is! As I mentioned, I have Capricorn on the Midheaven, and what you say is so true! When my first husband contracted leukemia as a young man, for example, it made absolutely no sense to anyone...least of all me. I was so damn mad at God while my husband was sick! How dare the heavens allow such awful things happen to such a "spiritual" young man who dedicated his love to others and the ministry?!

But you know, no book got me out of that. In fact, if I wouldn't have had an amazing experience of grace the day before he died and the day his funeral (and beyond), it would be very likely I'd be quite embittered and jaded. Your wisdom that there's not getting 'out of' except for 'through' are words I, myself, have said to others--wisdom borne of experience! (And of trying a million other things that didn't give me a short cut out of difficult experiences!)

Here I am, almost 34 years old, and many have said to me "Man, you've been to hell and back. A few times, actually!" It sure has felt like it!

I have a question: it's funny that you bring up the concept of "doing" with a Capricorn Midheaven, especially in terms of wanting to bring spiritual "fruit" into the Earth. This is exactly me. The times that I find myself doubting my purpose has been, ironically, when I've come into contact with books that talk about "being in the now" and "not being a human doing but a human being". Yet, when I try to "chill" so to speak, I felt almost like I'm wasting time. As if I'm squandering my enthusiasm, idealism, and can-do-ism on just sitting around. (Relaxation has its place...I understand that.)

What would be your advice to we Cap MC's about "doing", especially since many sacred texts and other books focus on the inner life and "being"? Do we just chuck that kind of advice? I admit, I've been chucking it lately, because it doesn't feel "right" to me in terms of life purpose!

Barry: Capricorn is an earth sign so we look to body signals, since our bodies are the supreme expression of life here on earth. In terms of your question, keep going until your body begins (if at all) to give you signals. Then chill. And when you feel right and rested again, go get 'em!

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posted April 04, 2012 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh thank you, Sand!


Hmm now I'm even more confused!
See I have Neptune and Uranus 10° away from the MC, they're in the 9th but I wonder if that's not the reason I don't identify with a Capricorn MC but feel more like an Aquarius MC.

Eh, whatever I guess, I'll just leave it like it is for now, and maybe do a rectification some time later in life!

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posted April 04, 2012 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree on MC in Cancer notions.
They say that Cancer is concerned with quality rather from quantity. However,that implies that Capricorn is not concerned with quality,which can't be further than the truth.

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posted April 04, 2012 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I disagree on MC in Cancer notions.
They say that Cancer is concerned with quality rather than quantity. However,that implies that Capricorn is not concerned with quality,which can't be further than the truth.

good point. what is your take on cancer mc? i believe u have this as well..

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posted April 04, 2012 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Eh, whatever I guess, I'll just leave it like it is for now, and maybe do a rectification some time later in life!

no lol! figure it out now! y do people put off important things like the mc! gah lol!

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posted April 04, 2012 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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no lol! figure it out now! y do people put off important things like the mc! gah lol!

Well, I can't do that, as for now.
My life hasn't been eventful enough and I don't have enough money to pay for it, so.. I'll just assume I have a Capricorn MC!

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posted April 04, 2012 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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good point. what is your take on cancer mc? i believe u have this as well..

But I also have Cappy Moon! With me those energies are interconnected,it is hard to tell them apart.

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posted April 04, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I disagree on MC in Cancer notions.
They say that Cancer is concerned with quality rather from quantity. However,that implies that Capricorn is not concerned with quality,which can't be further than the truth.

Not necessarily. The interesting thing about opposite signs is that there will be subtle similarities between the two. So, it can be true that both Cancer and Capricorn are concerned with quality, because both signs are all about security (although they express it in different elemental ways).

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posted April 04, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wud it be hard to tell apart if a libra rising had cancer moon in 10th as well? the moon being there would give it cappy vibe no? or would that specific combo be cancer mc x 2?

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