posted April 08, 2012 12:08 AM            

First thing, is that I never used to pay attn to Chiron in charts, but it was the first thing outside of the luminaries/planets I was curious about, namely because it's automatically included in Astrodienst charts. After some personal Astro research in different categories I've found it to be a big player in transit, solar arc, etc. but was still feeling my way around it as regards to my natal since there's not a lot on the subject that sounds very well thought out.

Lately, as of this wk lately, I have stumbled on some realizations about my Chiron house placement that I want to share to see if anyone feels the same. I feel this placement gives me a tremendous amount of *freedom* in terms of how I act in society (H10). There are a few reasons for this..and it took a while to acknowledge the freedom. Here are some things I've noticed along my journey to this conclusion, and one has followed the other so these are in sequential order:
---Very sensitive to societal pressures to conform, the unwritten rules that we all agree to abide by, as in appropriate reactions to a given event. Sensitive to the mob that develops based on these 'rules' and that one can be singled out & beaten down in an instant for not reacting in a way that society deems is appropriate.
---Experiencing negative feedback when not responding in a PC way, in the way that the unwritten rules said I should & then closing down & backing off from self expression to the world (H10).
---Recognizing somewhere along the way that I wasn't the only one who felt hindered in their expression, seeing other people in a group afraid to speak up and speak out against this type of groupthink, to challenge it.
---Upon recognizing these people (once I got out of my own head/my own hurt) my heart went out to them, and I felt that they had something to say that was against status quo but that they too felt fear of backlash. I also saw how detrimental it is to a free society to keep these rules which do not allow room for individual expression.
---Became aware that since I was already on the outside that I had nothing to lose, and that became the impetus to call out what others cannot call out, because for them that means losing face. I already lost mine, I'm already out of the norm, I already don't agree and I can't be coerced otherwise.
---So now I'm getting to the freedom of expression here that I feel is the great thing about my placement, to advocate for true individual expression in the face of possible backlash & dismantling these unchallenged practices, these societal rules that keep people caged.
---The freedom has caused me to break out with an acerbic sense of humor in these settings (usually mostly comprised of strangers, as in me out of my comfort zone, out in the world H10), something that will call out whatever I see as 'clouding the issue' in a joke. My jokes are not for my amusement. They serve a purpose & that is to release pressure, to get people to laugh at themselves, and to open the door so that others can come forward & share their opinions w/out fear of the mob, to feel open to not conform & to be free from the restrictions that come with keeping up a reputation. Something that I feel binds people up inside themselves.

So if you have this placement tell me if any of this rings true for you. More importantly, if there is anything regarding the unwritten rules of society that you have encountered & contend with in some way, something that you feel strongly about. Mine is in Taurus, but I don't think that holds much bearing regarding my assessment so far, I'm more concerned with figuring out the house placement for the moment. And I know Taurus isn't known for being a sign with a sense of humor, but I do make people laugh & I do get what I want, namely to free people to express more without fear. My Chiron is inconjunct Mars/Saturn, opp Jupiter & trine Moon/Venus.

Incidentally after writing this I did a quick search for chiron + humor & found this link. From that link,

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Key images for Chiron

The workings of Chiron can be seen in the way comedians interact with society, and often in their personal histories as well. Consider these images associated with Chiron:

* a maverick; separate from the herd; unaligned with any group
* a key to open the doors of perception
* a wise one who lives among us but who has access to a higher perspective
* a link; the bridge between the transpersonal and personal
* a teacher; also the inner teacher
* irony — being an immortal who is subject to the laws of mortality; being incurably wounded by your own foster son with a weapon that you taught him to use
* accepting mortality
* the difference between “healing” and “curing”; the idea that one can heal or have healing without being cured

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posted April 08, 2012 02:40 AM            

I don't have Chiron in the 10th, its in the 7th and in cancer.

posted April 08, 2012 08:24 AM            

chiron h8 sextile moon h10
chiron h8 quincunx pluto h1/ neptune h3

posted April 08, 2012 09:23 AM            

I will have a think about it, but I think it is particularly important in my chart as it is the only major body in the northern hemisphere of my chart.

posted April 08, 2012 11:46 AM            

Lonake, you may be on to something with the whole maverick theme thing.

I also have Chiron in the 7th and it takes part in my lovely giant t-square (opps Jupiter/Uranus in the 1st, squaring Venus/MC/Sun 9th/10th).

Mostly I find myself wanting to shake people out of their preconceived notions of what love and relationships are and should be. Why are these 'roles' the way they are, and would they really be that way if everyone didn't buy into them?

Ultimately I simply believe that relationships should be based in true reciprocity without some of the 'rules' that we always place on them, and also that people should just be upfront about what they really want in a relationship. But that's just a little bit of my soapbox...

posted April 09, 2012 12:26 AM            

I am definitely an advocate for self-expression and a proponent of living out the truest and most primitive form of oneself, without regard to society's likes and dislikes. I am known for encouraging others out of their shell, especially if it's society's disdain that keeps them from pursuing what they desire to.

I do believe this stems from a childhood in which I felt unable to do so - whether it was overtly disciplinarian parents (Saturn also in the 4th) or classmates at school who didn't take well to my overachievement and popularity, I wasn't made to feel as though I could be comfortable in my success. Eventually, I learned to let go of my need for approval and be one inside myself. I constantly encourage others to do the same. However, had it not been for my own struggles as a youth, I would not know this liberation today.

posted April 09, 2012 12:30 AM            

<b>Chiron has dominion over charisma and a person's public image; and being noteworthy, esteemed, distinctive, and distinguished in appearance.</b>

posted April 09, 2012 03:29 AM            

sand, no haven't looked at the mp's at all for Chiron but i liked the interps for chiron signs on your link, it's a good find

Amphitrite, Yours must be stronger than avg due to the MC conj. I'll be interested to see what you come up with

la_mer, It is so close to your Sun/Moon, and in h10, do you find with the sun conj a struggle for self expression?

enchantress299, The maverick thing was something I quoted from the other site but I thought it was interesting, a different take on things. So you have it in the 7th like planet queen + you both have venus/uranus. It sounds like you two might have similar views in that way..were you raised by progressive parents?

virgolotus, OK you're like Amph with the conj....see the conj to the mc would be stronger. Have you found that people single you out in group settings as the odd one out? Or did that happen in the past? I'm not used to interpreting chiron at all so i'm feeling it out really.

alaz7200, Thanks for your thoughts on this It sounds like you've added in the sign of leo in your interp, I'm still not sure what taurus means for mine but it's interesting that you've come to a similar conclusion.

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Do you find that people have the same notions about you?

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CosmicKarma360, Hey pretty cool He does have the outsider status goin on....I don't remember, I think his Uranus is conj his IC, could be wrong. But it *seemed* that he didn't have a lot of Uranian/Aquarian action in his chart last time I checked, so this is promising!

posted April 09, 2012 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
I have Chiron in Leo in the 10th House.

I am definitely an advocate for self-expression and a proponent of living out the truest and most primitive form of oneself, without regard to society's likes and dislikes. I am known for encouraging others out of their shell, especially if it's society's disdain that keeps them from pursuing what they desire to.

I do believe this stems from a childhood in which I felt unable to do so - whether it was overtly disciplinarian parents (Saturn also in the 4th) or classmates at school who didn't take well to my overachievement and popularity, I wasn't made to feel as though I could be comfortable in my success. Eventually, I learned to let go of my need for approval and be one inside myself. I constantly encourage others to do the same. However, had it not been for my own struggles as a youth, I would not know this liberation today.

My theory about Chiron in the 10th is that it wounds you early in life, so that you can act as a beacon of light for others throughout your adult, professional years. If it means anything, I know both Beyonce and Angelina Jolie have this placement. Both incredibly influential figures.

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You put into words what I couldn't. Niceee
I also have Saturn in the 4th so I could relate to you a lot.

posted April 09, 2012 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Planet Queen:
Yeah definitely. Venus is widely conjunct Chiron. Its odd because Chiron always gets a bad wrap for being negative, like your wounded because chiron is hitting so and so etc. And I like the fact that Chiron is getting a more positive insight. Its interesting too, my boyfriend has Chiron conjunct his Mars on the IC, I've always been curious about that.

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posted April 09, 2012 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
You put into words what I couldn't. Niceee
I also have Saturn in the 4th so I could relate to you a lot.

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How much did Saturn in the 4th blow growing up? It was like, WTF LET ME BREATHE, but when you were allowed to breathe, it was like, YOU'VE ABANDONED ME. It's probably the worst 4th House placement, next to perhaps Neptune.

posted April 09, 2012 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
alaz7200, Thanks for your thoughts on this It sounds like you've added in the sign of leo in your interp, I'm still not sure what taurus means for mine but it's interesting that you've come to a similar conclusion.
[QUOTE]Do you find that people have the same notions about you?

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Nope, I'm a Cancer Midheaven. No Chiron conjunction. Are you familiar with Chiron's charisma? A lot of people aren't aware of it, because Chiron is so often made synonymous with wounds and negativity. I see it as more of a charisma that the native is unaware of, but that's clear for all others to see. I personally know many people with Chiron in the 1st and 10th who are very charismatic, but would never attest to that.

posted April 09, 2012 11:21 PM            

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enchantress299, The maverick thing was something I quoted from the other site but I thought it was interesting, a different take on things. So you have it in the 7th like planet queen + you both have venus/uranus. It sounds like you two might have similar views in that way..were you raised by progressive parents?

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Progressive parents? Yeah... Not in the 'we're hippies' type of way though. My mom was a social worker and my dad worked for the EPA (environmental protection agency). Both have compassion and a genuine respect for people and the world around them. As my mom always tells me when I get angry about someone being completely and utterly insensitive or reckless about the people around them- "Aww... Honey, most people aren't like us." And she's right, sadly. Our family just has a very high emotional IQ, I think.

posted April 09, 2012 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Are you familiar with Chiron's charisma? A lot of people aren't aware of it, because Chiron is so often made synonymous with wounds and negativity.

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posted April 09, 2012 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by enchantress299:
They always want to say that Uranus/Venus contacts make you a lesbian (which I firmly am NOT)

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