posted April 08, 2012 10:50 PM            

I swear, it's the bane of my astrological existence. My Sun and Venus square Pluto, my Pluto conjunct Karma (right on the degree of the Vindemiatrix) and my 12th house Moon are really not quite so appalling or difficult to fathom as my darned 7th Neptune.

I am wondering if anyone else here has a Neptune in the 7th too and if/how you have learned to tame this beast.

posted April 08, 2012 11:58 PM            

I’m really sorry you’re going through that, and it’s just important to remember you won’t always feel this way. Heartbreak surrounded in that Neptune fog can make it seem impossible to desipher up from down, or feel like you’ll be able to navigate your way back to stability, but this will fade. The all consuming darkness in the fog is just as much of an illusion as your faith in the light was, so don’t give up on relationships all together. But also, I know from experience that trying to escape the reality of the situation will only make it worse, and will prolong the healing process.

posted April 09, 2012 01:27 AM            

Yeah, I feel your pain. n.Neptune in the 7th over here too. Ugh! Also, good old n.Venus square n.Pluto, just to add to the fun. Ugh!

posted April 09, 2012 01:57 AM            

How do I deal with it? I take my sweet ass time getting to know people. You have to, with Neptune. I used to be whiny because my friends were hooking up and falling in love and falling apart over some person who was doing the same to them, and then I realized I wasn't missing out on much in relationships. Even when single, Neptune played a part in my idealizing what relationships were like. Really, they're kind of messy at first. ETA: having Neptune in the 7th doesn't always mean illusion. You might attract artists, musicians, empaths, healers (A doctor is a healer. Find one of those to date.) These are qualities you yourself also have but may not see unless you meet these people who mirror it back to you. How your Neptune is aspected plays a very large part.

I dated a guy who had Neptune on his Capricorn ASC, and even when I knew it was an illusion it was like he didn't want to give it up. He wanted to keep pretending like we were this power couple. Then Saturn (wonder how his Cap ASC played into this, if at all) had to come along and make me feel guilty for wanting to shatter his illusion. And then I did so, suddenly, and with the courage of Uranus. Weird how that works huh? He was also very possessive, intelligent, and dreamy. Years later I realized I had dated an emotionally manipulative/abusive alcoholic - not so dreamy - but I'm stronger because of it (Saturn)

posted April 09, 2012 02:13 PM            

FireMoon, Thanks for the encouragement. I am definitely going through that period of never wanting another relationship again. It's the first time I've ever felt that though and since i'm 35 it seems very dire to be experiencing that feeling now. Definitely focusing on the positive helps, although I feel like it's going to take a really long time to make it through the fog.

CosmicKarma, No, that totally makes sense. I've been working on de-starrifying my eyes for some time now and thought I'd been successful just to find out that I wasn't. As for starting out as friends, my second long term relationship (of 7 years) started out like that but in the end it didn't work out because, well, let's just say that I guess I need some pitter patter to make the romance part work. We were best friends but romantically it was a bit of a gong show. But I agree. How I'm treated always does come first. I think that's a good rule no matter what

hannaramaa, That's some good advice as well. Taking one's time getting to know a person is always good although I will say that I have the ability to cut that time in half generally speaking because I have an approach that is equal parts sexy interrogator and super observer. But maybe that's where I'm going wrong? Like I said to Cosmic Karma, I have indeed taken my time in the past but I overlooked the romance factor in that case so maybe I need to synthesize my learnings now. It's interesting what you said about the Neptune Ascendant. Out of my five serious relationships, every single one of them either had a Pisces ASC or else Neptune conjunct their ASC. And I know that there was some heavy mirroring going on in all those relationships so that's a great point as well. And yes, I have always loved that psychic phenomena that occurs in my relationships, although right now I think I have grown to distrust it

Winter, I so agree with that! I could write a novel here, but all I will say is that I've had some funny experiences with that concept. In my two most important relationships (including the one that just ended) I had confusing things occur. In the first one, he acted like he wanted to be with me permanently and was very loving but kept saying that he didn't think he could ever fall in love with me. In the second, we moved in together and he said he wanted to spend the rest of his life with me and he also supported me through a tough time, BUT would always withhold his love. And then he asked me to move out and said he was no longer in love with me after three years - and I was sure this was the guy. And herein lies my Neptune problem I think - I get mixed messages from men all the time and I think that's what drives me crazy. So maybe from now on, the message has to be more or less 100% consistent? Assuming I ever date again

amowls - You know, I have always felt that way myself until this last breakup. It did something to me that feels really ugly. I actually miss that feeling because, like you said, it has a very beautiful energy attached to it. Hope, I guess.

Nyah, Thank heavens for astrology! Me too.

TrueTaurus, I grew up with that ideal played out for me by my grandparents who were married for over 50 years and definitely in love for most of it. Yes, they were co-dependent, but somehow it worked for them. So I agree that it can happen for people, I'm just not so sure it's going to work out that way for me.

posted April 10, 2012 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
having Neptune in the 7th doesn't always mean illusion. You might attract artists, musicians, empaths, healers (A doctor is a healer. Find one of those to date.) These are qualities you yourself also have but may not see unless you meet these people who mirror it back to you. How your Neptune is aspected plays a very large part.

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posted April 10, 2012 05:41 PM            

I'm sick of this so I began becomming an artist myself...to repel these scumbags who bring into my life their drugs...I don't do them, but still, I do not want to the risk of losing my freedom because of other plutonian forces...