posted May 06, 2012 08:21 PM            

Several years ago I was staring at the zodiac wheel (as I have been known to do) and perplexing over why there were 30 degrees in each sign if all those degrees were the same. After many years and mathematical crunches, I came up with a system for assigning individual values to each degree. Soon after, I discovered duads and smacked myself in the head LOL.

I have been playing around with Pythagoras's duad system however, because it does not render each degree unique. The system I came up with is based on the waxing and waning cycle apparent in the relationship between any two heavenly bodies (as perceived from the Earth). This cycle is most apparent in the relationship between the Sun and the Moon.

The system has been provided below for anyone interested in playing around with it and providing feedback. It is easy to create a system which works for the creator, but that system should also work for others who have no personal attachment.

Some notes on the system:

1. The chart below is not labeled, but color coded. It seems relatively explanatory to me, but if you need anything clarified, please ask. The Zodiac Sign is represented in the far left column, the next column is the degree, the following columns are the zodiacal influences for each degree, and the far right column is the decan.

2. Each degree is "dormant" until activated by a transiting planet. When a specific planet activates a degree, the relative components of that degree are highlighted. (example: Venus in Aries 15 degrees is more at home than any other Arian degree, because that degree is a Libran degree. Contrarily Aries 4 degrees may be the next most comfortable place for Venus in Aries, because it is 50% Taurus and 50% Gemini. Venus in Aries 4 degrees trine Mercury in Leo 4 degrees, has the benefit of the following -

Venus is in a Taurus/Gemini degree of Aries
Trine is a 3rd Harmonic (Gemini/Mercury) aspect
Mercury is in a Virgo/Libra degree of Leo
The Cardinal and Fixed nature of Aries and Leo are charged by the Taurus and Libra features in these trining degrees.
The Mercurial and Venusian nature of both these planets is also charged in this relationship.

posted May 06, 2012 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
One of my chart's aspects which I am quite interested in is Venus in Scorpio trine Saturn in Pisces. Venus is in Capricorn-Gemini duad and Saturn is in Taurus-Gemini duad. What could these mean? How do they influence the planets/aspect?

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Hmmm, what house? Right off the top I would imagine Saturn and Venus are fortunate to trine here (Considering the Taurus and Cappy influences). The shared Geminian influence may put an emphasis on needing frequent communication to exist in order to feel your relationships are being productive. Others who have Geminian or Mercurial influences may trigger this aspect in you.

posted May 06, 2012 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
This sounds so interesting, but it is painfully difficult for me to understand those charts since I am not a visual learner. Please help!

Try my Pisces moon, at 20 21 in the first house, trine Mercury, conjunct Jupiter, square Sun, Uranus, and Saturn.

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That is a lot of data to parse through. =)

In this situation degrees count, so you would need to look at the degree for each of the planets involved in those aspects.

My suggestion would be to write down each planet's degree and associated duad-data, then look for similarities. Consider if those energies are noticeable in your personality, surrounding the planets they are associated with. Consider if those planets are attracted to other people with similar astrological themes.

posted May 07, 2012 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
That is a lot of data to parse through. =)

In this situation degrees count, so you would need to look at the degree for each of the planets involved in those aspects.

My suggestion would be to write down each planet's degree and associated duad-data, then look for similarities. Consider if those energies are noticeable in your personality, surrounding the planets they are associated with. Consider if those planets are attracted to other people with similar astrological themes.

Duads are a bit subtle, especially these. They tend to add little quirks to their associated planet or angle.

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I would do that but I don't understand the charts you posted. Are they the regular duad charts or are they something new?

posted May 08, 2012 12:26 AM            

That would make sense. I have no Cancer planets but act like one in certain respects.

This could be because of my Pisces moon or my Venus conjunct Neptune or singleton Cap sun expressing its opposite (as I've been told it can) OR...

What you said. My day is a mostly Cancer day.

posted May 08, 2012 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
OK I think I got it. At 16 Cap I would be 75% Cancer, 25% Leo?

That would make sense. I have no Cancer planets but act like one in certain respects.

This could be because of my Pisces moon or my Venus conjunct Neptune or singleton Cap sun expressing its opposite (as I've been told it can) OR...

What you said. My day is a mostly Cancer day.

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ooh, okay, i think i get it, too! So is 16 Sag supposed to be 75% Gemini, 25% cancer?

That makes my moon very Scorpio-esque at 20 degrees Pisces.

posted May 08, 2012 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
OK I think I got it. At 16 Cap I would be 75% Cancer, 25% Leo?

That would make sense. I have no Cancer planets but act like one in certain respects.

This could be because of my Pisces moon or my Venus conjunct Neptune or singleton Cap sun expressing its opposite (as I've been told it can) OR...

What you said. My day is a mostly Cancer day.

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Yup, that's how it's done. I would look the at duads of people you relate with and see if there are similarities. I would then suggest looking at those relationships and considering if the duad sign energy is noticeable. Keep in mind that these duads will highlight traits of the mother signs. So if you relate well with another Capricorn, but their duad is also Cancerian, the Cardinal nature of your interaction will be highlighted. If their duad is Piscean, your emphasized connection may be watery, or generally more Yin (as Cap, Can, and Pis are all Yin signs).

posted May 08, 2012 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
ooh, okay, i think i get it, too! So is 16 Sag supposed to be 75% Gemini, 25% cancer?

That makes my moon very Scorpio-esque at 20 degrees Pisces.

I will have to think about this some more. I find duads very, very tricky.

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posted May 08, 2012 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Lol! nice thread title

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posted May 08, 2012 07:47 AM            

You mentioned, each degree is dormant until activated by the transiting planet. I've been looking at that myself and came to an opposite conclusion. I don't think dormant is quite the right word to describe it... but haven't got any further than that in my own work.

Do you mind if I try and build off your work, if I can find where/if it fits into mine? I'm not using it for anything other than entertaining myself.

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Cap Moon-Pisces Merc-Taurus Venus-Cap Mars conj Neptune-Pisces Jupiter.

posted May 08, 2012 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Sashar:
I need to go back over this after I get off work. This is incredibly interesting, I've recently been playing around with color coding an idea in Astrology. It feels like it's the simplest way to understand things (for me).

You mentioned, each degree is dormant until activated by the transiting planet. I've been looking at that myself and came to an opposite conclusion. I don't think dormant is quite the right word to describe it... but haven't got any further than that in my own work.

Do you mind if I try and build off your work, if I can find where/if it fits into mine? I'm not using it for anything other than entertaining myself.

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I don't mind at all, something additional which may help:

I mentioned before that this system is based on the solar/lunar relationship cycle. the duad pattern here begins at 0 degrees with the conjuncting sign (new moon), waxes to the opposing sign at 15 degrees (full moon), and wanes back to a new moon at the 29th degree. The moment the new moon changes from waning to waxing, a new sign manifests.

You are very correct in observing my poor use of the word "dormant". I believe the zodiac wheel is not a wheel, but a helix. Each experience is not erased as time passes, but becomes the foundation for further experiences. Dane Rudhyar did some amazing work with this concept and I owe a lot of my more sane pondering to him. To explain it directly, I see astrology as a holographic concept. Each degree can't be dormant because its existence facilitates the existence of all the other degrees. Just like the concept of Yin and Yang; without darkness, light would not exist as there would be no contrasting, defining, and comparative force.

Instead of dormant, I think the proper word would be "potential". In all moments we can make our own choice, however the potential within each moment can play a huge part in the decisions we make. And the planets involved in those moments can make certain aspects of that potential more accessible or noticeable. Each decision in each moment colors our view of the future degrees we encounter. This happens because those degrees are founded in the light of all our previous degree experiences. All of us have a unique experience of the zodiac, based on our own decisions. Yes we can agree that an apple is red, but my red and your red will always be unique.

I think I may be babbling at this point, LOL sorry.