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lovehate122
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posted May 07, 2012 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovehate122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a really almost crazy obsession with becoming famous . Powerfull so to speak . I have jupiter in the 1st house and moon in the 1st house . But the obsession part comes from my natal 10th house pluto . I feel like i have to be better i have to be the best . My 10th house ruler is the 11th house the house of friends in Saggitarius The sign with the most hommies ! I try to be as well know as possible and it works (jupiter )and my moon is in Aquarius . I feel the need to be recognised for writing (3rd house stellium) and wit something i feel i can master with practice . I also have Neptune in the 12th house . I hear these aspects can be indicative of fame but im not sure . Enlighten me please .

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posted May 07, 2012 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being famous and being talented are two different things. There are plenty of people who are famous and they don't have any particular talent equating for their fame. Perhaps you need generational planets such as Pluto (power), Neptune(dreams + illusions) and Uranus(originality in the 1st, 10 and 11 house positions in your natal chart.

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lovehate122
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posted May 07, 2012 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovehate122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree . i have all those placements btw lol .

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posted May 07, 2012 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct the MC. Do you have that?

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posted May 07, 2012 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm right there with you. There are many aspects in the natal chart which indicate the drive and desire to become prominent in one's desired field, or 'famous' in some sense. Some aspects and configurations do point to it being an obsession. I have the obsession, like you. So it's fun for me to discuss how you see the need for fame pop up in your chart! We can go back and forth on this if you'd like.

Some questions/feedback I have for you:

1* Do you have any planets that are singletons, meaning, they are your only Air/Water/Fire/Earth planet in the entire natal chart? Generational planets do not count for this one. For example, let's say your entire chart was water and earth, and then you had one prominent planet like your Moon which was in Air. This heightens your Moon in the chart because it's your singleton Air planet. I think having Singleton planets is one indication of a special quality to the self.

2* Another noted reoccurrence for those who are famous in certain fields is an elemental void. One who is a very talented singer, musician or athlete could very well have a Fire void, which drives them on to complete their artistic, passionate goals. Or on the flip side, one who is extremely empathetic, desperately poetic and emotional to the extreme and not always able to manage their emotions could very well have a Water void. I think 'voids' can also lead to a unique quality of the personality versus having a chart that has a more even distribution of the elements.

3* You're right - having a stellium of any kind is also special, where it will put a very special emphasis on one area of your chart. This means that if you end up having quite a few empty houses, all those empty houses are working for the planets in your stellium and the house its in. So this means that all your empty houses and planets are geared more towards your H3 activities and H3 stellium, which focuses on writing, the Mercurial, communicating and so forth. My question is, how are the planets in the stellium? Are they highly stressed or are they harmoniously aspected? Do they touch your Sun, your Moon, your MC? This is very important.

4* Having an Aquarius Moon can lead to the chances of fame. This, according to astro studies conducted I have read online, can increase the chance of fame since the sign Aquarius in one's Moon can allow one to feel the needs, emotions or desires of people on a wider scale. This therefore helps one connect to and appeal to the public. I think a strong Moon-Uranus connection can be quite similar to Moon in Aquarius but of course not as strong. Anyway, what other aspects does your Moon receive? Moon-Neptune is also good for connecting to the public.

5* How is your ASC and MC in general? What aspects do both receive? How is your ASC ruler aspected? Just look at whatever sign you have on the ASC, find what planet it corresponds with and see. This one is especially important because it allows you to see how people on the outside might be seeing YOU. A very afflicted ASC can make it difficult to deal with the public, especially if the afflictions reach the 10th and/or 11th house and special planets there.

6* Do you have any planets totally lacking in aspects? This is major aspects only: conjunct, square, opposition, trine, and sextile. If so, you have a very special planet, one that is peregrine, aka unaspected. This planet can become the the driving force of the entire chart if you do not master its lessons. You will feel a STRONG presence most of the time from this planet lacking aspects, and its message will always be there in the back of your mind - whatever it rules over, whether its Venus' desire to love and be loved or the Sun's desire to be successful and having a high societal standing - and urging you to fulfill its missions.

7* How is your Moon? Is it well aspected or does it receive some stressful aspects? In H1 you have a person who is very easily affected by their environment; it increases the chances of one being an 'emotional sponge' so to speak. Or at least projecting the image of one who is highly emotional. Your appearance could also take on Cancerian features if your Moon is rather close to the ASC; the closer it is, the more likely this will happen. I think it's interesting you have H1 Moon. It seems this could help you rather than hinder you, since Aquarius makes the Moon nature not overtly emotional.

8* Pluto in H10 can be a challenge. This could be what holds you back, or propels you forward - but sometimes it can be your choice versus destiny deciding for you. The upside is that you're right, this is potentially a very creative AND ambitious position for your Pluto; you are someone who can be a go-getter to the extreme and desire a serious position in life, one where people both know you and admit that they respect you. Well ideally they'd admit it! That's where things can go wrong - Pluto here can lead to some degree of arrogance about one's worth in society, and can lead to power struggles as a result. You need to access the better side of Pluto to transform versus cause issues for yourself in this area. Having Pluto here, especially close to the MC, is very significant. THIS placement is most likely the driving, obsessive force behind your desire to get famous. Pluto is what is obsessive and all-consuming; you could become, therefore, totally consumed with H10 matters, and even more so if Pluto aspects other important personal planets like Mercury and the Moon and even the Sun, though the latter isn't always favorable.

9* Neptune in H12 is home, since Pisces rules the 12th house. You are like me - we both share the very difficult 12th house planet ordeal. Having a 12th house planet can speak of many troubles, sadness or identifying with the suffering and pain of others in one's life, but it also gives you tremendous power when you least expect it. Do you feel this is true for you? Having Neptune here could mean you really do feel one with what transcends reality, what is pain and suffering but also ethereal mysticism of some kind. Having Neptune here could mean you readily serve empathy, compassion and a deep understanding of the emotional nature to other people without hesitation, because perhaps you can delve TOO much into these subjects yourself when you are alone. As in, through introspection.

So yes my dear, you do have some unique aspects that point you beyond the 'ordinary' or at least, show you have potential to get there. Having a 12th house planet and more planets above the horizon, meaning house 6, versus below the horizon, can indicate fame as well. But having a few planets below the horizon as you and I do is totally acceptable as well, for achieving fame. I know you have your stellium in H3; I have mine in H11. I think for you this means that you can definitely achieve acclaim of some kind through public relations, writing, speaking, or all things Mercurial, but maybe you will be less of a media 'icon' like a rock-star type and more of a respected scholarly type(?)

What do you think?

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RedScorp
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posted May 07, 2012 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd love to be famous just to be in the public eye, to be seen and talked about...I would love to have celebrity friends and to appear on the covers of magazines. I have no idea what I'd be famous for (though I daydream about being an actor or a runway model, shhh.)

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Aquacheeka
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posted May 07, 2012 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed that quite a few of the overexposed celebs have Leo rising, which makes sense given the position's penchant for attention-seeking.


I myself have no desire for fame but I do have the typical Leonine vanity and obsession with hair.

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Aquacheeka
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posted May 07, 2012 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should go to Astrodatabank and search for Leo rising... it's quite shocking how many stars have this.

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Hera
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posted May 07, 2012 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are a few methods, but they're pretty advanced and unlikely to find too much info on them. It's about the 5 Lots of Fate and Zodiacal releasing. I don't know if any of these say anything to you. Judging from the position of the Lords of Fortune, Spirit, Basis, Acquisition and Exaltation, their essential and accidental dignity one can find out how high he/she will rise in life.

Here's a link from another forum on the subject: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13205

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lovehate122
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posted May 07, 2012 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovehate122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as a matter of fact i do have sun conjunct Mc , not in the same sign tho .

I have a stellium of moon,jupiter,neptune and uranus all in aquarius in the 1st house

and an 8th house stellium ,

I do have one sigleton actually i have an air/earth chart made up of virgo,taurus and aquarius but i have Saturn in Aries . so i guess saturn is my singleton .

My 3rd house is aries btw Ask anyone who knows me and they'll tell you i need to keep my mouth shut ! i say whats on my mind and its usually not nice sometimes it sounds arrogant and selfish but my aqua moonin in the 1st house makes me look like i've just said something cruel and i don't care . (which i don't the truth hurts if you ask me ) and i curse alot but oh honey i curse and curse well i don't curse just to curse it has to sound "cursey"

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Odette
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posted May 07, 2012 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you need a desire to become famous for your talent and for some occupations - like being an actor/actress - you also need a desire to actually *work* in the industry as a daily job.
So I would throw Saturn in there - for commitment and 'working' at it.

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