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charmainec
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posted May 11, 2012 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I said to a friend yesterday (also a sag), she's the only person I can be blunt to the bone with and vice versa and still be friends, lol.

There are no ill or b*** hurt feelings.

Yes, we are all made up of different astrological make up but concentrating on the sun sign alone do you as a sag get accused of rudeness when you're just speaking your mind?

When someone asks us a question or opinion, we tell what we see with no intention of insulting the person.. often we don't understand why the person is hurt when they asked us what we thought.

As a sag, do people perceive you as too playful? Too serious?
Do you use humor to hide your hurts?

Come on sags! Let's support each other and celebrate our sign!

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charmainec
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posted May 11, 2012 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The term, "wild horses run free", does not mean we are afraid of commitment. It implies we don't like restrictions ie. we don't like being forced into situations or tasks we find boring.

We dislike monotany and often have a wide variety of interests.


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posted May 11, 2012 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amen to that, sister.

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posted May 11, 2012 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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vickymadness
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posted May 11, 2012 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I simply love Saggys!
especially the men ... I connect with them by a special code, and their energy matches mine perfectly

Aries


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posted May 11, 2012 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Me, too, I this sign!

Sincerely,
Venus conjunct Neptune in Sag person


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posted May 11, 2012 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually recognize bluntness versus rudeness, but I'm an Aries. And I love Sadgies.

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posted May 12, 2012 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahaha, also an Aries and love you guys! I prefer honesty no matter what, even if it's hurtful. I dislike sugarcoating, just hit me with the truth. I am strong enough to handle it! People rarely do that, though. Biggest love of my life was a Sag (but he kinda lied so maybe not the best example). Still, love the energy of the sign.

4 planets in Sag myself, one of them being Moon.

Ceri,

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posted May 12, 2012 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

^ Guess which one's the Sag.

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posted May 12, 2012 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would have to be the one dancing on the right.

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posted May 12, 2012 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This very topic has been on my mind lately. As a Sagittarius Sun/Mercury/Mars, I am very blunt and dually comedic. That said, I am very often told about how 'overboard' I can go and that I am simply too straightforward for my own good. I prefer to look at this as though, like you said, other signs are simply to sensitive for Sagittarius candor. At the end of the day, not my problem. I live in the truth, for the truth, and by the truth! (In true Sagittarius fashion, I can be pretty damn dogmatic when it comes to the prevalence of the truth...) My philosophy is: the truth is the truth, and if one is offended but their truth being disseminated, one should not have partaken in such an action to begin with.

I always think... "If only I could find more Saggies." They seem to be few and far between, especially male Sags. I always see Sag celebrities and think to myself, "Wow, I feel as though we'd really get along." (i.e.: Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Brad Pitt, JFK Jr., AJ Lamas, etc.) Too bad it's the rarest Sun sign in the northern hemisphere!

However, I wouldn't say all Sagittarians are exempt from this lack of a 'sensitivity chip' (as Jennifer Aniston so famously alluded to Brad Pitt); ironically, my mother, also a Sagittarius Sun/Mercury/Mars, is one of the foremost people in my life who reminds me "to be more tactful" on a daily basis. Peculiar for a Sagittarius, I know- but I attribute this more to her Moon/AC conjunction in Leo that's always so consumed with keeping up appearances.

To answer your question: as a Sagittarius, I am seen as someone buoyant, energetic, hilarious, well-informed, bossy and at times temperamental. All too often, however, I am construed as being condescending and elitist. I find that most Sag's confidence border on conceit; most of us straddle that fine line. And for the record, our notorious humor is just an extension of hiding the hurt our hearts have endured over time. We are, in all actuality, very sensitive beings- we just see no point in being bogged down but the emotions they entail. In many ways, we take it upon ourselves to be the beacon of light amidst all of those not strong enough to cope or not wise enough to overcome their trials and tribulations.

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posted May 12, 2012 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get along well Arians. They too, are direct and their anger is short - lived like a sag. We blow up (the big bang) and later cool again.

Fir me it's easier to relate to Aries. They share the same energy and sense of fun - that's for me personally.. maybe for others its different.

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posted May 12, 2012 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alaz7200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charmainec:
I get along well Arians. They too, are direct and their anger is short - lived like a sag. We blow up (the big bang) and later cool again.

Fir me it's easier to relate to Aries. They share the same energy and sense of fun - that's for me personally.. maybe for others its different.


Definitely. Most of my serious relationships and durable friendships have been shared with Arians. My only complaint is that they can be slightly immature if there is no water or earth in their chart to temper all of their primitive, Martian energy... but who's complaining?

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posted May 12, 2012 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly I am not really blunt or rude, except for the moments when I blurt something out without thinking. lol

You have no idea how often Iam editing out my posts even before posting them the first time.

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posted May 12, 2012 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm generally cautious with my communication, but with a Virgo Moon and a Cap Merc, that isn't much of a surprise.

I have Earth equal to Fire in my chart and Water is not too far behind. So much of my expression is followed by observation and intuitive probing to connect with others. I find the moments I accidentally say something offensive a noticeable shift in the vibe happens. Then the Earth planets go back and weed through everything to figure out what the problem was. Following that is the 5 min I spend apologizing and reiterating my point in a less offensive way. I think having Jupiter opposed Mercury also makes communication a very particular process for me.

At one point a friend of mine pulled me aside, after observing a conversation between me and a person we both disliked. She laughed and asked, "You do realize that you just called that guy an a$$hole and he thanked you for it?".

The Sag always comes out eventually though, and when it does (and assuming I care) I take great pains to resolve and reiterate anything which was communicated poorly. The problem is less that I fear offending others however, and more that I loathe break downs in communication. I don't expect others to be able to understand me, so if communication fails, I generally expect I could have done something better to convey the message.

As for the comment on humor, I think it is a complex dynamic for Sagittarians. Yesterday I was questioned about Gemini's need to always be liked and I compared it to Sagittarian's need to always create an uplifting or optimistic environment. I added, "We do it because we enjoy causing happiness. Sadly, it is not for the sake of the person, but for the mere sake of causing happiness. This is why a Sag can make you feel elated and then wander off without a second thought. We're the damned Johnny Appleseed of chuckles".

Many people have a hard time understanding the sensitivity of Fire signs. This is probably due to the fact that Fire is a self centered element. It knows who it is, it appreciates who it is, and it burnishes it's flaws in the forage of self improvement. That causes it to be brilliant, and others flock to that brilliance for light and warmth. What people often overlook is the fact that Fire signs see harsh reality as if someone shined a spotlight on it. And we are charged to find the best in whatever we are handed. Aries rules a season when life must struggle to burst through the cold harshness of winter. The only sign equipped to face death and conquer it is Aries. Leo rules a season right after the summer solstice, when winter is on the horizon and life must bear its worth in order to insure a future for every species. Only the Lion is equipped to face the reality, that we enter and leave this world alone, but for one tiny moment we have the opportunity to make a difference. Sagittarius rules a season when the winter has finally come and death exists wherever you look. The only sign equipped to face the task of finding a spark of warmth in a world of darkness is the sign equipped to hunt for that spark.

Sagittarians are sensitive, because at some point in our life many of us were faced with harsh reality. Not just blah blah, you have to pay bills to live blah blah reality, but visceral existential crisis. Concepts like, "I am a tiny molecule in an infinite sea of "who knows what", who has arisen to exist for whatever reason, and will eventually die and be forced to contend with concepts like infinity, nihilism, divinity, etc.". That seed of truth burrows into our core and becomes a driving force. Sagittarius as an archetype, has his eyes toward the stars and that means a lot of stepping on toes and tripping over shoes. The archetype is not malicious, it is just busy thinking up ways to resolve issues like "How can we do and be the best "Whatever we are" possible?". The smaller issues like, why they forgot your name tend to pale in comparison. And don't get us wrong, we know people remembering your name is important to you, but you are a member of an overpopulated species of monkey, who believes printed paper indicates a person's worth, who sits in a car to go to work, sits at a desk and stares at a flashing screen for 10% of their life (just to collect more printed paper), sits in a car on the way home from work, sits on a couch to eat food with no nourishing properties, and stares at another flashing screen until you pass out. If you are feeling extra frisky, we can grab some more salt/sugar food, pop over to the movie theater, and sit together in front of a BIG flashing screen....Sorry, What was your name again?

A Sagittarius alone is often a different person than Sag out on the town and like Gemini, some of us will do whatever we can to avoid being alone or quiet. Those Saggis who do choose to stop and listen inward, tend to face very strong and sometimes devastating truths about self, reality, and existence. Ajaan Thanissaro uses a great analogy though, he says harsh experiences are similar to being shot with an arrow. But our habitual reaction when we are shot is to turn around and shoot our self with more arrows like fear, clinging, sorrow, anger, revenge, panic, etc. What started as a single problem, builds up into a great painful event. Sagittarian humor (on an archetypal level) is a commitment not to shoot one's self with any more arrows than the ones which life deals us. It is also an act of defiance which says, "In the face of ominous circumstances, I can choose to react in a positive or negative way, I choose to react positively".

As for my self, I find humor can be a hindrance in some cases. When the reaction arises I try to look at those situations and deal with them in a healthy way.

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posted May 12, 2012 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charmainec:

Yes, we are all made up of different astrological make up but concentrating on the sun sign alone do you as a sag get accused of rudeness when you're just speaking your mind?

When someone asks us a question or opinion, we tell what we see with no intention of insulting the person.. often we don't understand why the person is hurt when they asked us what we thought.

As a sag, do people perceive you as too playful? Too serious?
Do you use humor to hide your hurts?



I instantly fell in love with a Sag guy I met for a few nights though. He was BLUNT, or came off that way. Loved it. I didn't have to guess, I "got" him, we had a great time together. But he messed up, because him and I were the ones flirting all night and then he had to go tell me how sexy my friend looked. HMPH. My Taurus moon did NOT like that.

I've never seen a Sag use humor to hide their feelings. They get quiet for a moment when you hurt their feelings and then you know you've said something wrong. They seem very sensitive to words rather than actions. They are very boisterous, loud people and I think that's why their mistaken for not being sensitive or emotional. They're worse in that department (not worse in a bad way, but more obvious) than any Scorpio I've ever met.

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posted May 12, 2012 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Many people have a hard time understanding the sensitivity of Fire signs. This is probably due to the fact that Fire is a self centered element. It knows who it is, it appreciates who it is, and it burnishes it's flaws in the forage of self improvement.... Sagittarius rules a season when the winter has finally come and death exists wherever you look. The only sign equipped to face the task of finding a spark of warmth in a world of darkness is the sign equipped to hunt for that spark.

Sagittarians are sensitive, because at some point in our life many of us were faced with harsh reality. Not just blah blah, you have to pay bills to live blah blah reality, but visceral existential crisis. Concepts like, "I am a tiny molecule in an infinite sea of "who knows what", who has arisen to exist for whatever reason, and will eventually die and be forced to contend with concepts like infinity, nihilism, divinity, etc.". That seed of truth burrows into our core and becomes a driving force. Sagittarius as an archetype, has his eyes toward the stars and that means a lot of stepping on toes and tripping over shoes. The archetype is not malicious, it is just busy thinking up ways to resolve issues like "How can we do and be the best "Whatever we are" possible?". The smaller issues like, why they forgot your name tend to pale in comparison. And don't get us wrong, we know people remembering your name is important to you, but you are a member of an overpopulated species of monkey, who believes printed paper indicates a person's worth, who sits in a car to go to work, sits at a desk and stares at a flashing screen for 10% of their life (just to collect more printed paper), sits in a car on the way home from work, sits on a couch to eat food with no nourishing properties, and stares at another flashing screen until you pass out. If you are feeling extra frisky, we can grab some more salt/sugar food, pop over to the movie theater, and sit together in front of a BIG flashing screen....Sorry, What was your name again?



The bolded part is my Virgo Sun/Sag moon friend!!! To a "T!"

I relate SO much to the Sagittarian mindset. It's just wonderful to me.

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posted May 12, 2012 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xiiro:

A Sagittarius alone is often a different person than Sag out on the town and like Gemini, some of us will do whatever we can to avoid being alone or quiet. Those Saggis who do choose to stop and listen inward, tend to face very strong and sometimes devastating truths about self, reality, and existence. Ajaan Thanissaro uses a great analogy though, he says harsh experiences are similar to being shot with an arrow. But our habitual reaction when we are shot is to turn around and shoot our self with more arrows like fear, clinging, sorrow, anger, revenge, panic, etc. What started as a single problem, builds up into a great painful event. Sagittarian humor (on an archetypal level) is a commitment not to shoot one's self with any more arrows than the ones which life deals us. It is also an act of defiance which says, "In the face of ominous circumstances, I can choose to react in a positive or negative way, I choose to react positively".



Ummm. Y.U.P.

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posted May 12, 2012 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyFavouriteName     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whats interesting, is i have two uncles.

one who is sag sun, sag mars, sag mercury.

one who is virgo sun, virgo mercury, and sag mars.

guess which one got hurt by banterous honest talk?

the sagittarius sun/mars/merc lol.

i think my uncle with the sag mars has a sag energy similar to the OP.

where as my other uncle, was different.

he got hurt, he has SN on Pisces..

saturn in virgo.

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posted May 14, 2012 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xiiro

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posted May 16, 2012 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I currently live with a Sag and I'd say she tends to be pretty serious, though also somewhat athletic for her age. She has so many interests (probably thanks to her Gemini ascendant) which appeals to my Libra sensibilities, but her Mars in Scorpio can make her sarcastic as well as blunt. Luckily my years spent with an Aries deluxe (Aries sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars, ascendant, etc) taught me how to shake it off when she's too blunt or even sarcastic (though one difference is that while the Aries deluxe quickly got over any annoyances, the Sag can hold a grudge, again probably because of her Scorp Mars). I do recognize a lot of what she says that might provoke a negative response is just being blunt and I can shrug that off (perhaps my own Sag placements, including Mars and Moon, help with that). However, many people don't like her (and her Cancer moon makes her really sensitive about that, another reason I try hard to not lash out if I feel she's way too blunt or even sarcastic), but she's also become practical (or experienced) enough that she's made friends with a lawyer (kept on retainer) to keep her from getting fired and evicted (which has nearly happened because of her bluntness, even when she's just being honest as opposed to sarcastic, and I think she owes that lawyer for not winding up on the streets unemployed).

Don't get me wrong, she has friends, but she doesn't suffer fools gladly (especially those who have power over her and try to use it to enforce idiotic decrees) and doesn't hide the fact. But her sharp mind, attention to detail (thanks to her Cappie placements?), and energy (both mental & physical) mean plenty of people enjoy her assistance as well.

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