posted May 12, 2012 01:31 PM            

Feel free to talk about your own Lilith-Venus aspect even if it's not an opposition, since I'm very curious.

I feel Lilith-Venus aspects can change the way we love. I feel they can add a daring independence to our love nature; a desire for equality in a union with our partner; a dark and seductive streak mixed with a good deal of an ability to be independent if love does not always go in a good direction. I think having a Lilith-Venus aspect makes me more assertive in love compared to some people I know. Maybe also because I have Lilith trine my Moon. How about you?

posted May 12, 2012 01:53 PM            

It's like not knowing which side of your femininity you connect with the most, so you keep trying the other one out. Then you cannot choose. Sort of like abruptly switching from a sweet gingham dress with flats to coming out of a dressing room with sky-high leather boots and a LBD on.

This one to me, is like the 'dark side of Mom' aspect. It's the more willful, sexual side of all of our mothers which is not revealed to us, which most mothers keep hidden from their children by acting and dressing more modestly when they have a family. But one with Lilith-Moon opposition is going to have a VERY hard time conforming to this; therefore that is why some say with Lilith-Moon hard aspects, one could have a harder time dealing with pregnancy, the idea of child birth and starting a family. The opposition just makes one more up and down about it, versus something like the sextile or trine which is comfortable and more assertive in its opinions without fluctuating back to the ways of the traditional Moon.

posted May 12, 2012 11:27 PM            

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I feel they can add a daring independence to our love nature; a desire for equality in a union with our partner; a dark and seductive streak mixed with a good deal of an ability to be independent if love does not always go in a good direction.

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That sounds like me

I always thought it was my Cap sun, but it could this aspect and my sun, cooperating.

posted May 13, 2012 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I just checked and they are closely trine, 1* orb. I don't know the houses because I haven't settled on a chart system yet; in whole signs, Venus is 5H, Lilith 9H.

That sounds like me

I always thought it was my Cap sun, but it could this aspect and my sun, cooperating.

Lilith doesn't aspect my moon.

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I think the trine is far less difficult than the opposition and conjunction. I have Lilith trine Moon, Uranus and Neptune so I feel that those Lilith aspects are a lot easier to deal with. For some reason it seems the conjunction + opposition is a lot more immediate and troubling at times, but not exactly "bad". Like my Mars opposite Uranus is pretty "bad" and I wouldn't call this opposition a good thing at all. But with Lilith it seems to be... different somehow.

posted May 13, 2012 12:31 PM            

I've always been told I'm extremely sexy (and sometimes have heard I can be intimidating), but I don't see it. I never really got much attention from men until my mid-thirties, then it was like I suddenly came into my own. Now that I'm used to the attention, I'm sexually self confident and rarely have a problem with the opposite sex.

posted May 25, 2012 11:33 AM            

I have lilith and venus in my 7th house and Mars in my 11th.

posted May 25, 2012 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioMoonMan:
is lilith normally in an astrological chart?

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posted May 25, 2012 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo/Leo Cusp:
I have Venus(Cancer) Square Lilith and Pluto(Libra), Moon(Aqua) Trine Lilith and Pluto(Libra), MC and Pluto(Libra) conjunt Lilith(Libra)

I am incredibly independent, and I haven't been in a relationship in a long time and most of the time, I'm very happy. I don't know if "family life" is for me. I don't know if I want a family or kids. I'm enjoying being free and can't stand people telling me what to do and don't stand for it. I have my own thoughts on love and relationship and what I can take. I need an equal partnership, anything else will not do. I also have not been in love yet, I'm not looking for medicore love , I'm looking for the real thing...I want so many things but get so confused lol

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I think the square, opposition and conjunction to Lilith will be more strongly and immediately felt versus the trine and definitely the sextile.

Having Lilith sextile the Moon really adds dimension to your Moon. I have a Virgo moon but an edgy Lilith in Taurus adds depth to my Moon with the trine. It can make me have profound daydreams and dreams at night, intense feelings, and of course, mood swings. Lilith in aspect to the Moon can make you have a rather un-tamed emotional nature at times... hence why most are VERY surprised when I say I am a Virgo Moon!

posted May 25, 2012 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo/Leo Cusp:
I have Venus(Cancer) Square Lilith and Pluto(Libra), Moon(Aqua) Trine Lilith and Pluto(Libra), MC and Pluto(Libra) conjunt Lilith(Libra)

I am incredibly independent, and I haven't been in a relationship in a long time and most of the time, I'm very happy. I don't know if "family life" is for me. I don't know if I want a family or kids. I'm enjoying being free and can't stand people telling me what to do and don't stand for it. I have my own thoughts on love and relationship and what I can take. I need an equal partnership, anything else will not do. I also have not been in love yet, I'm not looking for medicore love , I'm looking for the real thing...I want so many things but get so confused lol

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I the same is with me i personally cant imagine myself in a relationship I like being on my own. The though of even forming a family is laughable to me probably because of my family. I've never been in a relationship before but if i was to ever form one i want it to be the real thing and a relationship i can grow as a person.

I think having thia aspect which is
Moon Libra square Uranus Capricorn
Moon libra square Mars Cancer
I have my moon squaring alot in my Chart
Mars Cancer OPPosition Uranus Capricorn
Mars Cancer oppisition Urans Capricorn

explain my rebellious and independency i guess.

posted May 25, 2012 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by yvetterocks101:
I the same is with me i personally cant imagine myself in a relationship I like being on my own. The though of even forming a family is laughable to me probably because of my family. I've never been in a relationship before but if i was to ever form one i want it to be the real thing and a relationship i can grow as a person.

I think having thia aspect which is
Moon Libra square Uranus Capricorn
Moon libra square Mars Cancer
I have my moon squaring alot in my Chart
Mars Cancer OPPosition Uranus Capricorn
Mars Cancer oppisition Urans Capricorn

explain my rebellious and independency i guess.

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Yeah after seeing my parents relationship(who are divorced)it makes me think twice about relationships. My Dad was miserable/angry I don't think he liked how his life was turning out, looking back now.

To me if someome wants to be with me, then it's because you really are feeling it in your heart, not because being with me is comfortable, safe and you are settling.

I would never want to tie someone down,and I don't want to be tied down - to me marriage feels like chains( my opinion). Just being with someone for 25 years and not being married is fine with me.

posted May 25, 2012 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo/Leo Cusp:
Yeah after seeing my parents relationship(who are divorced)it makes me think twice about relationships. My Dad was miserable/angry I don't think he liked how his life was turning out, looking back now.

To me if someome wants to be with me, then it's because you really are feeling it in your heart, not because being with me is comfortable, safe and you are settling.

I would never want to tie someone down,and I don't want to be tied down - to me marriage feels like chains( my opinion). Just being with someone for 25 years and not being married is fine with me.

I have Uranus square Moon, Mercury, Sun but by some 8+ orbs..and Venus trine Uranus. I'm also a Sag Rising and Aquarius Moon..so I need to feel free and independent..no clingly, emotional types for me. I would run so fast! lol

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Yeah the same can be said about my parents especially my dad. I definitely agree with you i personally don't believe in marriage i find it really redundant i don't see the point to show someone you love with a paper but does just me. I personally cant imagine myself with someone for that long only if your Leonardo Dicarpio lol when he was in his younger days just kidding I'n not that superficial lol. I have Leo rising with Moon in Libra so it show i want a showy type of guy and someone i guess i can be proud with and be equal I guess.

posted May 25, 2012 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I think the square, opposition and conjunction to Lilith will be more strongly and immediately felt versus the trine and definitely the sextile.

Having Lilith sextile the Moon really adds dimension to your Moon. I have a Virgo moon but an edgy Lilith in Taurus adds depth to my Moon with the trine. It can make me have profound daydreams and dreams at night, intense feelings, and of course, mood swings. Lilith in aspect to the Moon can make you have a rather un-tamed emotional nature at times... hence why most are VERY surprised when I say I am a Virgo Moon!

I have Lilith in the 5th of children opposite Venus in the 11th of freedom, hopes and wishes and I am MUCH the same. I think for me the opposition can make me either very possessive of children, the idea of adopting or even giving birth to a child if I fell intensely in love...but then altogether, all at once repulsed by the idea, suddenly wanting independence from love, rejecting the idea of marriage, etc etc. I think the square and opposition of Lilith to Venus can make a woman especially uncertain of what she wants in her life concerning love, marriage and sometimes family. The square for you, seems to just make you irritated and at odds with the idea; while the opposition for me literally makes me swing from one side to the other, rejecting or accepting all, never finding a balance between the two. Personally I wish I had the square versus the opposition! :'/ So we're very much the same, I don't know if I want kids or a married life either. A Venus-Saturn trine makes this no easier. I don't feel comfortable settling into the traditional role of a wife.

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I agree for me Moon trine Lilith and Pluto def gives me an intense, sensitive, sometimes emotional nature even for a Aqua aloof Moon so I know what you mean

Well the reason I seem irritated and at odds with the idea of marriage is because to society, if your not married or coupled up then there must be something wrong with you. Like, I just can't be alone and independent cause I want to be. I have to be a "wife" and "mother" even though I don't think I would be good at either. I must not be a good woman cause I'm all alone

I don't think I would make a good wife, because I already know myself and how I am. I also am not fond of gender roles either, "if I have a baby" , my partner is gonna have to help me change , feed, spend time with the baby as much as I am.

posted May 25, 2012 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo/Leo Cusp:
I agree for me Moon trine Lilith and Pluto def gives me an intense, sensitive, sometimes emotional nature even for a Aqua aloof Moon so I know what you mean

Well the reason I seem irritated and at odds with the idea of marriage is because to society, if your not married or coupled up then there must be something wrong with you. Like, I just can't be alone and independent cause I want to be. I have to be a "wife" and "mother" even though I don't think I would be good at either. I must not be a good woman cause I'm all alone

I don't think I would make a good wife, because I already know myself and how I am. I also am not fond of gender roles either, "if I have a baby" , my partner is gonna have to help me change , feed, spend time with the baby as much as I am.

Now I am contradiction because My Venus in Cancer and Mars Libra screams "Hopeless Romantic" and I am. I would have to meet someone very special in order to even consider partnering up. I am realistic in love and know love is an ideal, in reality it's a whole different ball game. I just don't want to grow to resent someone, which with me I know will happen if I marry. Also since My Venus is Square Pluto and Mars is conjunct Pluto so I tend to attract crazy, intense, jealous, clingy emotional types so I just rather not bother lol I'm sorry for the long rants lol

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Wow girl... are we long lost cousins or something? LOL. You seriously took the words RIGHT out of my mouth! I cannot STAND the fact that society insists that if a woman does not get married and then give birth, that she is subtly flawed. Who dictated this? You should be able to be free, and independent if you desire to be, without society breathing down the back of your neck about the fact that you choose to remain single and not have children. As women, we can get total hell for this - but do we see males getting this? Of course not... not as much as we are at least. The pressure is less, or at least, it seems to be. The woman, in traditional families, is often blamed or looked down upon if the couple remains childless. This infuriates me.

With 5H Lilith I feel...incapable of having my own child. I have a wonderful desire to adopt, possibly, and to most definitely volunteer world wide for underprivileged children. But to have a child of my own body makes me feel sick... I have a terrible intuition that it would destroy a part of myself I would never get back.

Gender roles are smothering to me. I feel like I would not be able to conform to the mould of what a wife and mother should be like. I am far too unrestricted, and wild in my soul... if married young I would undoubtedly be the cause of the divorce. I have 8H Mars opposite Uranus, a definite divorce indicator to me. I hate the idea of being tied down and told what to do especially. I like it when I am in control of the partnership, I wouldn't find it ideal when a guy courts me and asks for my hand in marriage. It just would feel wrong to me somehow. I feel too universal to be limited.

posted May 25, 2012 10:34 PM            

Mine's sextile Venus-ASC and exactly conjunct Eros. There's also a tight conjunction to my Mercury, too. 3H.

Of course, in Scorpio. (Venus-ASC is in Virgo; 12H Venus).

BTW, in terms of interpretation: I'm VERY sexually dominant with a personality that, I'd like to think doesn't go over the top, but would never be considered submissive. I've also found myself involved in more parallel / concurrent relationships rather than serial monogamy. My marriage is open. (Not to get off topic here, but my husband's 7HR is Uranus -exactly- conjunct my Sun.)

I largely blame the Eros-Lilith for that.

Since we're talking a little bit about dominance versus submission, I've only had submissive leanings with two men, in my life - and one turned out to be more illusory - the 'idea' of it rather than the reality of it. (There's a lot of Neptune in that synastry.) It's as if my Lilith-Eros was afraid of 'sullying' the relationship given the raw, carnal desires it naturally seeks to express.

Consequently, the second, whose Eros-Venus squares my Lilith-Eros? Don't seem to have that problem. Dominant overtures which would normally either be a TOTAL turn-off, (and usually considered laughably pathetic - perhaps even offensive) just short-circuit my brain instead, completely. It's very weird.

But his Valentine also exactly conjoins that Eros-Lilith, so who the hell knows? Our on-screen chemistry is pretty frickin' amazing, in any respect.

posted May 25, 2012 10:46 PM            

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Wow girl... are we long lost cousins or something? LOL. You seriously took the words RIGHT out of my mouth! I cannot STAND the fact that society insists that if a woman does not get married and then give birth, that she is subtly flawed. Who dictated this? You should be able to be free, and independent if you desire to be, without society breathing down the back of your neck about the fact that you choose to remain single and not have children. As women, we can get total hell for this - but do we see males getting this? Of course not... not as much as we are at least. The pressure is less, or at least, it seems to be. The woman, in traditional families, is often blamed or looked down upon if the couple remains childless. This infuriates me.

With 5H Lilith I feel...incapable of having my own child. I have a wonderful desire to adopt, possibly, and to most definitely volunteer world wide for underprivileged children. But to have a child of my own body makes me feel sick... I have a terrible intuition that it would destroy a part of myself I would never get back.

Gender roles are smothering to me. I feel like I would not be able to conform to the mould of what a wife and mother should be like. I am far too unrestricted, and wild in my soul... if married young I would undoubtedly be the cause of the divorce. I have 8H Mars opposite Uranus, a definite divorce indicator to me. I hate the idea of being tied down and told what to do especially. I like it when I am in control of the partnership, I wouldn't find it ideal when a guy courts me and asks for my hand in marriage. It just would feel wrong to me somehow. I feel too universal to be limited.

I have Mars trine Pluto and I also attract bizarrely clingy, moody, and messed up men... my Mars is in Cancer so we sort of have a similar situation but the Cancer is in my Mars not my Venus. And I have sun in Libra so I too, at my core do not like it when people resent me or I resent them. It just makes me unnerved even if I can grow to ignore them...

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posted May 25, 2012 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by yvetterocks101:
Definitely agree with you too ladies I despise the gender roles of the societies of today especially me being from a hispanic community. If you don't have a boyfriend or if your not married with 20 kids or something there must be something wrong with you either your lesbian or asexual. To them you just don't function well down there lol which annoys me but seeing how thats my culture mentality there's nothing i cant do about it. Like you girl i have Venus in Pisces and Mars In Cancer which can contradict that and can make me a hopeless romantic but seeing how I'm heavily dominated by Capricorn and my moon and mars is heavily afflicted which makes me realistic about the dating scene. Knowing myself than better than everyone i know i cant deal with relationship or that love BS.

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I got married at 30, because, honestly, I knew it would be more conducive to the family dynamics; namely my 10 y/o stepdaughter who I adore, and, of whom I'm VERY protective. I knew it'd be important to her eventually, and I was right.

And I enjoy being married - I just suck at it. Really. I don't ... do the wife thing well. I do the stepmom thing really well, I do the supportive partner thing, and I can (generally) handle the sex thing (but that's a WHOLE other topic) but I'm naturally something of a loner, even though I REALLY do enjoy sharing my life with someone. That's very important to me.

But outside of that, I honestly don't think I ever would have actually married.