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4lifephrases
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posted May 15, 2012 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Guys,

I am going through Saturn in 11th Transits and that's where my Natal Saturn is. Ofcourse Saturn Return would be a while. I have got Jupiter Transits in my 6th house.

Recently I have been able to do those tasks with groups which I would have not imagined in my dreams.

I have very love/ hate kind of relationship with people. I know I need them to grow but I know I don't get always appreciated for what I do.

I produced a short film and commercial with 30 + people all working for me/ with me. It was great but I constantly fear if I had done enough and I want to know whether I am in their good books or not.

I know I can be good with people but I really want appreciation in this area.

I also have Sun opposition with Jupiter.

I feel very less like Scorpio but constant Libra because of this placement.

Jupiter opposition Sun: A turning point
9 May 2012 until 18 May 2012: This can be and usually is a very positive time. But you can make more or less out of it, depending upon how you handle it. In most ways it represents a period of culmination in your life, and you will be tempted to expand beyond any reasonable limit. There is no question that you have a good chance for success in any one of a number of endeavors at this time and, within reason, you should pursue them. However, you should not restrict yourself solely to material and physical growth now. Even if you don't have all the material goods that you want, you should turn your attention to spiritual and inner needs. Ultimately, nothing satisfies like satisfaction. Objects that you acquire, possessions, money, and even social prestige are merely devices to make you feel that you have satisfaction. They are not the state of satisfaction itself. It is your inner difficulties that make your life less than it could be, even if you have corresponding problems in the material world. You must look for the solutions within yourself, and this time represents a turning point, where you should begin to look for the answers.
Under this influence, the tendency is to go after everything that you want in the material world without caring especially about whoever is in your way, to gather as much stuff as you can and indulge yourself in what you want. Then, as the influence subsides, you may feel that this effort has failed, leaving your life as empty as it was before.
Do not be arrogant toward others or assume that you have everything right. Through meaningful encounters with others, especially intimate one-to-one encounters, you can find out which way you should go at this time. Work with another person and think in terms of mutual growth. By trying to achieve goals set by both of you and by trying to be a twosome, you each will become more conscious of what you are as an individual. If you can recognize the real meaning of this influence in terms of your own life, this can be an extremely productive and growth- oriented time, a period that will always have meaning for you.

What am I supposed to do ? I don't know what lesson I am supposed to learn.

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Astra
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posted May 15, 2012 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The lesson you must learn is to not sacrifice relationships for materialistic goals. By all means you should pursue your goals, but do not forget to stop and smell the roses! Spend time with your family and friends. I've lost so many loved ones and I regret every single day that I didn't spend more time with them. Don't let yourself fall into this trap. Cherish your loved ones and focus on enjoying the simple pleasures of life. You don't need to become the next Bill Gates to be happy. Focus on spending time with your friends or family just once a week.

Saturn in the 11th (in my experience) forces you to sift through your relationships and force you to either deepen your relationships with others or eliminate them entirely from your life. Superficial relationships will most likely not survive this transit.

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Lioness
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posted May 16, 2012 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cap rules my 11th and what astra said really fits.. I love it... Very very true for me.. Good job astra!!

I even have a tattoo on my fore arm reminding me to stop and smell the roses..

Excellent excellent

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4lifephrases
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posted May 16, 2012 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand smelling roses but really guys.

The relationship which doesn't work, I have given far too much and I have always been forgiving and being on the end of stick where I have been taken advantage, and still I have been good.

For me it gets more and more difficult to know the balance between being just plain good and not being taken granted. Line seems so blur.

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Astra
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posted May 16, 2012 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Lioness!

4lifephrases:

Yes, the line between being good and being taken advantaged of does get blurred. The trick is to be nice, but not too nice.

For example, let's say your friend has a big paper that's due in one week and asks you to help her write the paper tonight, but you have to prepare a presentation for work that's due tomorrow. The super nice, self-sacrificing choice would be to help your friend with the paper and pull an all-nighter to finish your presentation. But you know this would cause you a great deal of stress. You really don't feel like helping your friend with her paper on the same night you have your own work to do, but you also want to help out your friend. What do you do?

You would say something like," I would love to help you with your paper tonight, but I have a presentation to work on for work tomorrow, so I can't help you tonight, but I can help you tomorrow night."

This allows you to tactfully stand up for yourself by expressing your needs while still offering to help your friend with her problem but on a different night.

If your friend expresses anger when you tactfully assert yourself, it may be time to reconsider the friendship. A good friend may be a little disappointed, but they understand that you have responsibilities that you can't automatically drop the moment they run into a problem. Also, if your friend only calls you when she needs help, and never offers to help you with anything or even listen to your problems, then she is most likely using you.

To sum up, if someone asks you to do something that will greatly inconvenience you to the point of causing you a lot of stress, then it's time to speak up.

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posted May 16, 2012 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Astra
I really appreciate, being assertive is very important.

Most of the time I have given for far too long that when I actually snap they think I am being silly or it becomes very unexpected.

What if when I do speak up, they think I am being selfish and mean? I STILL WANT TO BE IN GOOD BOOKS. Sometimes I myself don't understand forgiving nature in me.

Another constant thing with my Family works out is when I tell them how good I am doing financially, professionally they want piece of it.That way all my saving was given away of almost 10 years.I thought ya why not they had taken care of me so I would go ahead and do stuff for them. When I am not doing that great they undermine me so I really don't know what to do with my successes or failures. Whether to tell them or not. It is constant battle and then I decide not to say anything. Accusation :I am secretive. I get smacked any ways.Remember this is family. I am so incapable of tell what I want now as that way they are just going to make me remember they did this or that for me. Whole viscous cycle of calculating would start.

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posted May 16, 2012 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Guys for all your help. Much appreciated.

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Astra
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posted May 17, 2012 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thanks Astra
What if when I do speak up, they think I am being selfish and mean? I STILL WANT TO BE IN GOOD BOOKS. Sometimes I myself don't understand forgiving nature in me.

If someone calls you selfish for standing up for yourself, then they aren't someone whose opinion you should care about anyway. They are only manipulating you so they can get what they want from you.

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When I am not doing that great they undermine me so I really don't know what to do with my successes or failures. Whether to tell them or not. It is constant battle and then I decide not to say anything. Accusation :I am secretive. I get smacked any ways.Remember this is family. I am so incapable of tell what I want now as that way they are just going to make me remember they did this or that for me. Whole viscous cycle of calculating would start.

Oh boy. This is tough since it does involve family. I definitely understand your need to be loyal to your family. I'm the exact same way. The key is to recognize that although they are your biological family, it does not appear that they have your best interests at heart. If they really cared about you, then they would not undermine you and make you feel worthless when you are experiencing failure. They're supposed to be supportive and give advice (if you ask for it).

I would cut off all ties if I were you since they have no interest in your well being. I realize that this is difficult because no matter what you're going to love them since they are still your family even if they don't act like it. Keep your conversations superficial. Don't talk about your successes and failures. If they ask how your life is going, just say, "it's going okay." If they accuse you of being secretive, then say," Look, nothing amazing or terrible has happened, so what do you want me to say? Things are fine right now and I'm happy." If they start listing all of the nice things they did for you to guilt trip you into giving them more money, then call them out on their BS. Say something like, "Oh, so the truth comes out. You only did those nice things for me so you could get something from me. Your help was really just meant to be emotional blackmail."

This brings me to my next point: do not ask your family for help, ever. You should be able to count on your family in theory, but unfortunately for you, this is not an option because they will use it against you. I wish you all the luck in the world. Feel free to vent your frustrations and problems here or confide in a trusted friend in real life who has proven to be loyal and supportive.

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