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hannaramaa
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posted May 16, 2012 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do they just give and give and give without ever expecting anything in return?

What's the difference in the way a Pisces trusts and an Aries trusts?

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posted May 16, 2012 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An Aries trusts not expecting people to suck.

A Pisces trusts knowing that most people suck at least some of the time, but they take the risk, anyway.
I think that's why Fish have the reputation for being push-overs. We're not entirely surprised when people take advantage, so we tend to not get all that upset.

As for the motives for giving, it probably depends on the Pisces.

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posted May 16, 2012 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for extant_pisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do they just give and give and give without ever expecting anything in return?

Um, not as a general rule in relationships, no. But if I see a situation in which I'd like to further a concrete goal/cause by helping one individual, I see my 'return' in terms of the success of the collective. The whole entity/cause/movement gains something if I provide something of worth, including me.

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posted May 16, 2012 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:

A Pisces trusts knowing that most people suck at least some of the time, but they take the risk, anyway.
I think that's why Fish have the reputation for being push-overs. We're not entirely surprised when people take advantage, so we tend to not get all that upset.

But this just sounds like depression, lol

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posted May 16, 2012 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
But this just sounds like depression, lol

Nah, just an acceptance of humanity.

The flip side to that is that while most people suck at least some of the time, most people are pretty awesome the rest of the time.

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posted May 16, 2012 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless influenced by Air (especially Aquarius) or Virgo, Pisces do tend to give a lot and let debts and what not slide. A Pisces trusts easily, not exactly expecting anything...sort of like, they don't expect the person to be great or to be bad, kinda like "whatever man". An Aries just does what they want and tends not to stop and consider whether or not they should trust someone (though they will remember broken trust!!)

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But this just sounds like depression, lol

LOL!

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posted May 16, 2012 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do they just give and give and give without ever expecting anything in return?


Oh, no. Pisces give and absolutely expect something in return. They don't show it and don't talk about it. Just slowly get depressed and resentful that you are not reading their mind and reciprocating with the giving. Don't ever take them for granted would be my advice.

Pisces is one of my favorite signs. I love how self-sacrificing they are. It's the highest possible ideal for transcending humanity but... they are still human, still in a body and still have needs. I have an issue with them not speaking up when something bothers them. They expect people to be just as good as they are and that's NEVER the case.

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posted May 16, 2012 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We tend to align ourselves with people who can be diamonds in the rough. We believe strongly in the best parts of humanity in light of people who are unfortunate.

We will take a person who most would discard with the idea that we can bring out their greatness/special qualities.

It's no wonder we're terrible in love, eh?

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posted May 16, 2012 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom is a Pisces and she would always tell me growing up: “Hope for the best, but expect the worst”

I’m a Capricorn and we're known for pessimism as well, but this bothered me to no end… I always thought, if you want the best then work for it and don’t put yourself in situations where you know it will never be realistc! I think the Pisces who don’t have very much self-awareness (my mom lol), can go through life wearing rose-colored glasses, playing martyr and giving to everyone else expecting this will win them favors in the end, and then become irate and/or depressed when they find that not everyone has been keeping mental lists of all the things they’ve sacrificed, and all of their unspoken/unmet needs…

This is not to bash Pisces though, they can also be very warm-hearted and intuitive, it’s probably just best to be straight-forward with them, and ask their opinions on things even when they want you to think they’re fine with whatever you want…

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posted May 16, 2012 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do they just give and give and give without ever expecting anything in return?

A pisces will martyr themselves and if they feel unappreciated, they lay on the guilt.

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posted May 16, 2012 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ amowls: The Pisces people I know can only handle so much thankless, one-sided giving, and then they get cranky.

Like, "I did EVERYTHING for you, and you BLAME me for not doing more? Are you kidding?"

That's the breaking point. Weirdly enough, Pisces people seem to get to that point a lot.

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posted May 16, 2012 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a recently turned 50 year old Pisces, I have had to learn long and hard, pick your battles.

A Pisces cant, absolutely can not, give to everybody, cause when we finally wake up from giving all of us there is none of us for us.

Maybe why then some, (not all) get cranky, sad, depressed, vengeful, etc. when we realize in our humaness we need as much as we give.

The trick, as I said, choose who you give to, never expect in return, that is not true giving, and know, in giving it has to be absolutely from the heart, anything else is a false ego move.

terri~

o,, and by the way..there is no "mindset" we dont think we just do...

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posted May 16, 2012 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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A Pisces trusts knowing that most people suck at least some of the time, but they take the risk, anyway.

Yeah I'm with you on that ^. Aries Sun - Pisces Merc. I feel the same way about accepting people as they are.

I know a Pisces man with Aries Mercury who is very dogmatic in his thinking. He often expects others to fit in with his idea of perfection - and gets angry when they are not what he wants them to be.

& Please don't mention anything about Pisces wanting to see the best in people - because he is simply nasty and verbally aggressive.. (very bad version of Aries Mercury).

So it is not all about the Sun - as always.

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posted May 16, 2012 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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they don't expect the person to be great or to be bad, kinda like "whatever man".

This is true for me as well.. ^

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posted May 16, 2012 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for trust...my longtime Pisces best friend is the most forgiving and tolerant person I know, but it seems like she only trusts herself. Her intuition is strong, her logic is unmatched, so I can't say that I blame her.

But just like everyone- sometimes she is flat-out wrong or making a bad decision. And you can't get that through to her at the time because she has her own way of rationalizing things and is very sensitive to criticism. So, people might not even bother to warn her.

She has actually gotten upset a few times that nobody warned her about something, when I know for a fact that they DID, and she just brushed them off.

I think this is why she has trouble with men, despite being beautiful and accommodating and loving. They want her to really trust them, lean on them, defer to them, make them feel useful and needed, but she won't. She is too honest to even pretend to. Once they realize how self-reliant she is, they leave.

The usual disclaimer, I'm not saying all Pisces are like this. Obviously not or none of them would be married.

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posted May 16, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, that is an amazing sentiment!

I always thought it was my huge Aqua side that kept me pensive toward men (well that has something to do with it! )

I have always gone into relationships, no matter with men, friends with women, etc. and trusted from the get go, but once scorned, I just cant ever again...fully.

I am going to ponder this one...again, pondering...

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posted May 16, 2012 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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my longtime Pisces best friend is the most forgiving and tolerant person I know

My best friend is a Pisces as well. I love her with all my heart!
But she also has Pisces Mercury conjunct mine


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I'm not saying all Pisces are like this.

No. They are really not. Specially when they have strong Aries influence in their chart. They can be -confident- on the bright side... but also, highly self-centred on the downside.

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posted May 16, 2012 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they do expect something, but wont tell you, you will have to figure it out on your own what they expect/want..

Thats what they expect for you to just "know"
If you dont know, then its ok, no biggie (as he swims away)

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posted May 16, 2012 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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A pisces will martyr themselves and if they feel unappreciated, they lay on the guilt.

My mom has Mars in Pisces and o m g don't even go there.

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posted May 17, 2012 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yin:
...I have an issue with them not speaking up when something bothers them.

I read this and it reminded me of my Pisces friend yesterday! We went shopping at work really fast. She tried on a dress, I bought stuff I had on hold. When we walked out we were talking about a dress she tried on, and she mentioned "and I thought you were going to come over and you didn't!" (By the way, Pisces? BIG BABIES. They know how to reel it in fast, but my god. They say Aries are the babies of the zodiac...) Anyway, I said to her "Well, why didn't you call and tell me to come look?" Lol! Like ... if you WANT something, ASK for it.

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posted May 17, 2012 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom has Taurus rising, Aries sun, Libra moon and Mercury in Pisces.

Huge baby. OMG and I just realized she expects me to think for her and know what she wants all the time!!! That is a big reason we get in fights because I'm not paying attention. I'll come home from work and she'll go "Did you get me any potato chips?!!" As if I should have known. Like, she didn't call and ask me to bring any home but I should've received her telepathic message she wanted some. -_-

Or we were eating breakfast once and my mom has a very sensitive diet due to gluten intolerance. She asked if there was any fruit at the buffet at the hotel we were eating at, my dad said yes there was, and as I'm in the middle of my breakfast he's like "Hanna, go get your mom a banana." Another -_- moment. I don't mind doing things for people, esp. my parents. Really. But I was in the middle of my breakfast, too and she was just sitting there. Why couldn't she have gotten her own banana? But that's what kids are there for I suppose, LOL.

Now that I'm off my tangent...

My Pisces friend has a Libra moon and Venus in Aquarius. I'm always hesistant to believe what she says because I feel like it's from another planet, but she is very good at justifying it so I believe it but with a grain of salt. Hey, I have Virgo IC okay? Magic shows put me in a tizzy.

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posted May 17, 2012 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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she didn't call and ask me to bring any home but I should've received her telepathic message she wanted some.

Maybe that's age related. They get cranky lol
My mum also does this and she has Leo Sun-Gem Moon-Leo Mercury (probably Virgo AC).

I don't do anything like this & I have Pisces Merc.

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posted May 17, 2012 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I think I know what it is.

My mum has a Libra Venus & your mum has a Libra Moon.
I get the feeling with my mum - she is more socially polite than I am... I have no Libra in my chart (& I'm an Aries - as you know).

So for instance - if she bought herself something - she would also buy *extra* things for everyone else.
Whereas - often I will just buy myself something and not *think* of buying things for other people.

This is not out of malice ^ but when I buy something like chips or a little chocolate or whatever - my instinct just doesn't tell me "Wait BUY another one for.. X or Y... they might also want some!".

But Libra-influenced people always do this... and they take it very very personally if they either live with you -- or -- if they are meeting up with you -- and you 'left them out'.. like if you bought yourself a doughnut and didn't think of them!!

:edit: Funnily enough - they might not even want a doughnut at all... so if you had bought extra doughnuts for both of you to share - they may well have declined. It's the thought that counts for Libra!

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posted May 17, 2012 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Actually I think I know what it is.

My mum has a Libra Venus & your mum has a Libra Moon.
I get the feeling with my mum - she is more socially polite than I am... I have no Libra in my chart (& I'm an Aries - as you know).

So for instance - if she bought herself something - she would also buy *extra* things for everyone else.
Whereas - often I will just buy myself something and not *think* of buying things for other people.

This is not out of malice ^ but when I buy something like chips or a little chocolate or whatever - my instinct just doesn't tell me "Wait BUY another one for.. X or Y... they might also want some!".

But Libra-influenced people always do this... and they take it very very personally if they either live with you -- or -- if they are meeting up with you -- and you 'left them out'.. like if you bought yourself a doughnut and didn't think of them!!

:edit: Funnily enough - they might not even want a doughnut at all... so if you had bought extra doughnuts for both of you to share - they may well have declined. It's the thought that counts for Libra!


Yes! Exactly!

No, I thought you were a Leo this whole time. But at least I got the fire part right.

My mom also has Venus in Libra. She takes FOREVER shopping, and then I have to grin and bear it when she drags someone's life story out of them. Inside I feel like a rabbid hamster running on a stationary wheel. She doesn't know how to think of herself (and yet she does, just in different situations) and not placate to someone else.

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posted May 17, 2012 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Thefish:
We tend to align ourselves with people who can be diamonds in the rough. We believe strongly in the best parts of humanity in light of people who are unfortunate.

We will take a person who most would discard with the idea that we can bring out their greatness/special qualities.

It's no wonder we're terrible in love, eh?


I've done this a couple of times - seeing the good sides in a guy and trying to be supportive and understanding so that he eventually will be the better version of himself. My patience with this seems to be endless even when it hurts me, I still believe in them and can't give up. One guy with drinking problems actually said "your faith in people is what makes you beautiful." I rely on my gut feeling about people even when my brain thinks I'm just naive.

I think the martyr thing is more common with Pisces Mars, I've seen that a few times. I won't say much when I'm hurt, I'll withdraw slowly and if it's really bad I'll probably be a bit depressed and start drinking more.. or just work a lot!

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