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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 17, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK. This is the part where I am so confused and all the differring opinions don't help.

Assuming Placidus is used.

My Sun is in the 10th House on the cusp of the 11th House.

Some people/websites like to move cusp into the next house and some people/websites don't.

The 10th House is dominant Sagittarius and minor Capricorn. MC is in Sagitarrius.

The Ruler of Sagittarius is Jupiter, which sits in the 2nd House in Aires.

On the other hand, the Ruler of Capricorn is Saturn, which sits in the 12th House in Aquarius.

My other Capricorn planets are easy because they sit in the 11th House and its clear that Saturn is the Ruler.

Now, I get conflicting opinions that the Ruler of the House where my Sun sits is: (1) in the 2nd, and (2) in the 12th.

I was asked: what is in my 10th House. I said Capricorn, and I got whacked because its supposed to be Sagittarius. Then another person tells me the Sun is there, so it's Capricorn.

It's controversial stuff like that which does not endear astrology to a newbie.

That is why I use Whole Houses just for ease. But then I get whacked by some who tell me that whole houses are whacked and they don't trust it.

Of course, then the Indians tell me I should be looking at my Moon and not my Sun.

Are there no established rules?

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amowls**
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posted May 17, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are no hard and fast rules in astrology.

The ruler of your 10th is Jupiter. The ruler of your Sun is Saturn. They don't have to be the same.

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Linda Jones
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posted May 17, 2012 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YTA, speaking from my experience, I feel only Placidus "fits" for my chart as well as the charts of people I know. If I use whole signs or whole houses, the shift in the planetary positions does not fit either in synastry comparisons or composites.

Going by my intuition alone, I feel you're definitely a 10th hse Sun and not an 11H (I think I remember you asking about your Sun position on some other thread).

From what I understand about Vedic astrology, yes they give the Moon sign a lot of importance. But they don't consider aspects. However, if you get your entire chart analyzed in Vedic astrology, the end result of the analysis is pretty comparable to the Western astrological analysis. So it's kinda like coming to the same end result by taking different approaches. It is also my understanding (don't want to be quoted for this) from some people, that Vedic predictive astrology is pretty refined and superior to other astrological systems, maybe because it's the oldest in the world, dunno.

Anyway, I know you find whole houses easier to deal with, but from what I remember about your chart placements, they fit you more in Placidus. Which then means that you will need to consider intercepted rulers. Sigh! It never ends does it?

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posted May 17, 2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YTA,

there are several "astrology schools" applying different methods, yes.


There are certain "rules" though, the most important being:

1. The picture of the sky at any given moment reflects life on earth or a personality born in that moment.


Your horoscope is a snapshot of the sky as it was EXACTLY at the moment of your birth, not two minutes later, not two minutes prior.
Which is why I don`t do "cusps". I used to do them with housess, but lately came to the conclusion that probably this is not fitting with that rule I mentioned.


The zodiac depicts the way of the Sun around earth (of course we know that this is not true; the earth moves around the Sun; but astrology always looks from the perspective of earth as a "constant").


There are only two housesystems I take into consideration:
1. equal system, beginning with the ASC
2. Placidus

I am using Placidus for two reasons:
1. like the zodiac itself represents the motion of the Sun around earth in a YEAR, the Placidus housesystem represents the solar motion in a DAY, totally dependent on this one moment you have been born, the beginning of YOUR world.


The second reason is that i have only been able to come to consistent results with rulerships, using Placidus houses (which is not a good argument at all, as it is resting too much on subjective perception).

Then, another thing important to remember about astrology is that it is really a reflection of observing the sky.
Especially Sun and Moon and ecclipse.

These things together indicate that:
Sun, Moon, nodal axis, angles and houses are the most important things, the framework of astrology.

I would not underestimate the other planets or asteroids though, but the ones I mentioned are the frame, the backbone, the others fill the picture with colour, especially the asteroid.


On the cusp of houses, there are two things I am thinking about.

First of all the houses are moving "backwards".

Example.
Sun on DESC/ 7th house at 6 p.m
An hour later it is already in 6th house.

Which means if a planet is one degree BEFORE 7th house cusp/ DESC, it is actually on its motion AWAY from that house, deeper into the 6th house (unless it is retrograde), which speaks against the theory of allowing housecusps.


On the other hand planets on the main angles, ASC; IC, DESC; MC are influencing tzhese angles even from the 6th, 12th, 3rd, 9th house, as they are conjunct.
It seems that planets very well can make ASPECTS with the main housecusps (maybe only the conjunction really counts contrary to popular belief, but I am not sure about that).

Now if a planet is in 6th house, but conjunct DESC, it probably is not its sort of placement in 7th huose itself that someone picks up on, but the fact that it is conjunct teh cusp.


Or in my case. Uranus is on 1°21 Scorpio, tightly conjunct my 11th house cusp on 1°35 Scorpio, which is VERY close, but as I said.
An hour after my birth Uranus would already have been about 13-14 degrees away from 11th house cusp and deep in the 10th house (not the 11th).

This would even be more pronounced with ASC signs Aquarius, Pisces or Aries, as they are quickly ascending signs (meaning there is only about one hour a aday at my location, that the ASC could be in these signs, while the ASC signs of Cancer or Leo take a lot longer).

But my Uranus is still conjunct my 11th house cusp and I think I definitely feel that as well, influencing my 11th house.

Interesting though, the 10th house is a parental house (and astrologers discuss a lot if it is the mother or father, well, I just say, parents).
My 10th house has Pluto, associated with Scorpio and Uranus associated with Aquarius
and my Mom happens to be a Scorpio and my ad is an Aquarius (so Uranus in 10th makes sense here I think).

The general, or natural ruler of the 10th house is Saturn, as in the natural horoscope (starting with 00 Aries as 1st house cusp) has Capricorn on the 10th house, which is ruled by Saturn.


But everyone has their own ASC and therefore start of the cycle.
In my case it is Sagittarius with Libra on MC or 10th house cusp; since Venus is the natural ruler of Libra, it is also my personal 10th house ruler.


If your MC is Sagittarius, Jupiter is your MC-ruler.
Sitting in Aries in the 2nd house indicates that your "calling" in a worldly sense it is to create security, probably earn a lot of money to guarantee that security; usually that is being made through the profession you have. We know that your goal (one MC-symbolism) is to earn A LOT OF it, because Jupiter always does things in a GREAT STYLE.
Him being in Aries shwos that you are a bit a n " Alpha male" about it, to get to this goal you can be quite assertive (well you have to be in the business I think).
Probably it is also a means to enhance the social status and SHOW it, Jupiter and Aries are not really all that introverted and keeping things hidden.
There is also a very earthy grounded feel to this connection, as the 10th and 2nd house are both earth houses. A lot of your ambition probably is about the physical manifestation of feeling secure and also providing security for your family (maintaining a certain status is of utmost importance).

The ruler of 10th house in 12th house would be totally different. People witht hat usually couldn´t care less about money or earthly goods (unless other aspects factor into this of course).


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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 17, 2012 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
amowls, Linda Jones and Ceridwen,

Thank you so much for your enlightening explanations

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Lotis White
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posted May 17, 2012 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use placidus, and also find that it gives the most consistent results. I also relate much more strongly to my houses cusps as they are in my natal when using placidus, then other methods like equal and whole sign.

In most house systems (except the whole sign system) a house will contain part of the sign actually on the cusp, and part of the next sign along, spanning the end of one sign and the beginning of the next. Any planet falling into that house, either in the sign of the cusp or the next sign along, is considered to be ‘in’ that house.

When a planet is conjunct a house cusp from the previous house they are still considered ‘in’ the house in which they are actually located. That being said, some believe that when a planet is tightly conjunct the next house cusp along, that they influence both the next house along and the one in which they are actually in. The orb given for this is about three degrees. So, YTA if your Sun is within three degrees of the 11th cusp I’d look into this possibility.

Having the Sun in Capricorn also in the 10th house is an extremely Capricornian placement. In a way you’re like Capricorn concentrate. If the Sun is conjunct the 11th house cusp be three degrees or less, then their my also be some Aquarian like characteristics in your nature. This would make you more open minded, make you something of a people observer, and give you an interest in how society works as a whole.

Ceridwen did make an interesting point about how planets do move backwards through the house cusps over the course of a day.

Form this perspective, the Sun conjunct the 11th house cusp from the 10th has just moved out of the 11th house and into the 10th. So perhaps this means, the while your Sun energy is still associated with 11th house themes, on the whole you place more emphasis on 10th house issues.

YTA, one more important thing I couldn’t help but notice…..

RULER OF THE MC, JUPITER, LOCATED IN THE 2ND HOUSE.

I think I remember you saying at one point that you work as a BANKER! The symbolism for the 2nd house is all about money and possessions, and money management. If indeed you do work in banking, then this part of your chart is ‘textbook’ for what astrologers look for in the charts of people who work with money. Like accountants and bankers.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 17, 2012 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much, Lotis White. Indeed, I'm a banker. Not securities, but corporate/public/project lending. My appreciation.

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