posted May 21, 2012 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Yin:
I flip, then I flop. Then I flip again. LOL. Isn't it more fun to change your mind?

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posted May 21, 2012 04:49 PM            

He ended up also leaving me a lot of weird love letters on e-mail and when he actually sought me out about it in RL it was veeeery uncomfortable having to deal with being like... Um, no. I don't like you as much as you think. AWKWARD!

posted May 21, 2012 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Phoenix:
Is this why my boyfrien left me saying he doesnt love me for 6 years? Because he is a libra guy with libra moon? :/ I tought it was because he has venus and moon at his 8th house and he had to destroy me somehow..

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posted May 21, 2012 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I see what you mean, Libra influenced people can be a bit frustrating to deal with when they start playing nice to keep the peace and keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves.also it is kind of foreign to me how they can flip flop point of views, when my opinions and thoughts are set in stone.

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Well, to be fair, you are a fixed sign. We're not. That's why you're more set in stone and we aren't (well, one reason).

As for keeping the peace: we really hate conflict. I definitely keep what I REALLY feel to myself (well, OK, and here). I don't tell people what I really think and feel a lot of the time because it would just cause problems. Sometimes, it's necessary, but personally I prefer to not create problems without a good reason. I prefer to "pick my battles" and save them for things that are worth fighting for, rather than argue constantly.

Libras at heart are peacemakers and HATE conflict. We really need to confront people sometimes, but it's not easy for us. We hate having people dislike us (a bit paradoxical, since people end up disliking us for being peaceful and non-confrontational, since they consider it dishonest or else just not forthright). We hate anger, tension, and fights.

As for points of view, it's not that we "flip flop" necessarily. First, we don't consider it bad or wrong to change our minds. Now, that's not to say that we WILL do it on everything (once we finally make up our minds--we're indecisive, which leads to my next point that I'll get to shortly--we are more solid, but getting there is hard), but we don't consider it some awful horrible thing, nor do we consider it dishonest. We may have overlooked something, not considered a perspective, not thought of something, etc.

We are, as I said, indecisive. So, what may look like "flip flopping" to others may, to us, simply be trying out a new way of looking at things, or experimenting with the "other side", for balance.

We will, too, sometimes play devil's advocate or take the other side of an argument not because we actually agree with it, but because we want to be fair to both sides and we want people to see different sides of things. And, too, sometimes I personally will take the other side not because I disagree with what's being said, but because I disagree with the approach/how it is being said/the motivation behind it.

posted May 21, 2012 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Speaking as a Libra with many Libra placements (though a Sag moon, Sag and Libra dominating in my chart) I'm glad to have the Libran ability to weigh and balance contrary points of view, see multiple sides, and be willing to change my opinion as I learn and consider more rather than hold a position that is obviously not true simply to be stubborn. I'm especially glad to be able to see when someone deserves a second chance or someone I thought I could trust is actually up to no good. I suppose I can understand why someone wouldn't like that if they want to gain someone's trust only to abuse it once they've gotten it (rather than be re-evaluated)...

And I don't see what's frustrating about someone playing nice and getting along with others either. Do you like Jerry Springerish chaos and drama?

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AMEN to that, especially the last line about not seeing what's "frustrating about someone playing nice and getting along with others".

posted May 21, 2012 07:45 PM            

He dated a girl for three years and almost proposed to her until she dumped him for his best friend. Before I saw these sides to him, I felt so bad and I wanted to support him because nobody was there to support me when my boyfriend and I broke up, so I knew how it felt to be alone (I mean he had to ditch his best friend and almost-fiance at the same time. That would suck.) so we became friends and we were laughing about our front desk coordinator, and how she didn't know how to do her job. He would rant about her all the time. ALL THE TIME. One day I told him "You know she likes you right?" and of course, full of himself as he is says "I know, I can see it in her eyes." That's so irksome to me repeating it now. Like... you're not Casanova. Anyway, he started hanging out with us at a group kareoke night and then dating her a couple weeks later. All because he said he realized she's a sweet girl who has feelings.

Really?
You couldn't fathom another human being having feelings until kareoke opened your eyes? Ugh.

posted May 21, 2012 08:03 PM            

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And why do they bother me so much? Maybe it's the Aries/Taurus combo I was dealt with, but my Mars in Gemini is so strongly aspected I thought it overrode that. In any case, I feel like Libra moons are very muted and concealed emotionally. You know when you can feel someone's vibes radiating off them? I can't use that trick on Libra moons. Plus, I feel like they always try to turn me into them or they're usually trying to convince me of whatever. It's annoying! Is it just me because I have Mercury in Aries, or does anyone else notice this too?

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Well, to be fair, you have quite a bit mentioned a number of Libras that you dislike (including one with a Cancer moon, the one at work, etc). So, perhaps you have a sort of 'thing' about Libras? Not, like, to the point of prejudice or hate or anything on that level, but if you don't like them as a sign, or if you keep meeting bad ones/ones that you do not like, maybe it's sort of a 'reflex' almost? As in, you tend to pick up/see the negative side of them, or draw ones that you don't like? And, too, if they can feel that you don't like them or trust them, that too might alter how they act--not to justify it or say that it's right, but when I personally feel like someone sees only the bad in me or doesn't like me, I definitely treat that person differently than I treat someone that does like me. I'm much less guarded with people that I think like me than I am with those that I think do not.

As for Libras trying to convince, we are a sign of persuasion. Linda Goodman didn't call us "the iron fist in the velvet glove" for nothing.

I would say that a pushy Libra who wants you to do things a certain way could (a) simply see the way as being beautiful and creating harmony and balance, and therefore good in Libra's point of view and (b) Libra IS a cardinal sign. Cardinal -> leadership -> bossy. This can be healthy or unhealthy depending on the person.

posted May 21, 2012 08:54 PM            

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Well, to be fair, you have quite a bit mentioned a number of Libras that you dislike (including one with a Cancer moon, the one at work, etc). So, perhaps you have a sort of 'thing' about Libras? Not, like, to the point of prejudice or hate or anything on that level, but if you don't like them as a sign, or if you keep meeting bad ones/ones that you do not like, maybe it's sort of a 'reflex' almost? As in, you tend to pick up/see the negative side of them, or draw ones that you don't like?

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Mmm... I don't think I've mentioned a lot of Libras I dislike. I've mentioned three, once each, and concerning different topics. However you're right. I didn't realize I knew so many Libras or Libra influenced people. Off the top of my head I can think of 12. No, I don't think it's a reflex. I know what you mean but I was put in situations with these people (such as work) that I had no control over (family).

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And, too, if they can feel that you don't like them or trust them, that too might alter how they act--not to justify it or say that it's right, but when I personally feel like someone sees only the bad in me or doesn't like me, I definitely treat that person differently than I treat someone that does like me. I'm much less guarded with people that I think like me than I am with those that I think do not.

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I see that as a normal emotional response though, not one specifically attributed to Libras. In my experience (oh wait, just remembered lucky number 13 Libra!) Libras become even more pesky when they know you don't like them. They have a NEED to be liked. I also take into consideration that maybe these Libras are reflecting bits and pieces of myself that I haven't recognized or accepted yet. Even though we're polar opposites every opposite sign on the wheel has some kind of bonding similarity with its counterpart. In some Libras I see that. Others I don't. Anyway what I've found is Libras are manipulative. Not passive-aggressive though. It's a very careful and intricate concoction of mockery all the while appearing to be charming.

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As for Libras trying to convince, we are a sign of persuasion. Linda Goodman didn't call us "the iron fist in the velvet glove" for nothing.

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That's true. I guess what I'm getting at is how to set boundaries with them. I'm a TRIPLE Aries (apparently proud of it too, lol) and if there's anything concrete about me it's the way I think. My mind is very hard to change or persuade once I've made it up, and I know Libra sun and moons are excellent at reading people so it confuses me when they try to convince me otherwise. Especially if I didn't ask to be persuaded.

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(b) Libra IS a cardinal sign. Cardinal -> leadership -> bossy. This can be healthy or unhealthy depending on the person.

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Ah. And therein lies the similarity.

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I think, too, that it's more of how Libra does things that bothers people sometimes. It's the indirectness and roundaboutness that tends to bother fire signs especially. Fire signs are much more naturally direct. On top of that, Libra and Aries are opposite signs, so their ways of doing things may not make much sense to each other and would seem completely backwards. Aries directness/openness seems just as foreign to Libras as Libran indirectness/concealing seems to Aries.

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I'm chuckling at this. Because yes, yes indeed. I thought my friend was just kidding when she looked at me like I was speaking Mandarin. However I'm starting to have second thoughts! She is a Pisces with a Libra moon and Venus in Aquarius. The way she does things DEFINITELY confuses me. She is a player-pimp. I don't like "pimping," at all, preferring to chase after the lucky chosen target. She sees me as being obsessed with someone and I see her as shallow (when it comes to dating). I never considered my directness would seem foreign to her... hmmm. I'll be sitting on that for awhile.

posted May 22, 2012 07:21 PM            

Pixie Jane, He detests drama!

89freespirit, Sometimes it is extremely difficult, really impossible to get a straight answer from him. He calls himself a politician when comes to answering certain questions, especially about his feelings.

LoVeLy, you are right. It is tough trying to read Libra Moon vibes. I think that is why my Pisces friend intriques me, because I am able to analyze anything and anyone.

Regardes Platero, I learned a lot from you. You helped explain to me my Pisces friend with Libra Moon so I can understand him better.

posted May 29, 2012 04:03 PM            

My issue with them is that I in no way consider passiveness and a non-confrontational attitude to be a peace-maker. That just seems like somebody avoiding the issues at hand. I believe in nonviolence, but I don't think that peace is brought about simply because conflicting parties are just told what they want to hear - that only leads to miscommunication, more confusion and usually an escalation of conflict. That's not peace-making, that's the creation of negative peace (to use a academic phrase) which is basically the absence of violence, not the gradual effort towards a community of peace-minded individuals striving to become non-violent - positive peace. (Sorry if this sounds too political, that's kind of where my mind's at right now.)