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Jim
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posted June 01, 2012 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm very amateur in astrology so , my main question is what would make a placement heavy i know there are aspects that gives power to certain things , but by itself what makes a planet heavy in your chart is it depending on the angles , how close the angles are in an aspect , or how does it exactly works ?

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posted June 01, 2012 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean what makes a planet super important for a person? A SIGN can be very important if a person has many planets in it. This is called a stellium.

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posted June 01, 2012 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also check the planet dispositors. For instance: My sun is in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter, which lies in Libra, which is disposited by its ruler, Venus in Scorpio, disposited by Pluto in Libra. There is then an endless cycle between Venus and Pluto, since they disposit each other. Pluto has an edge in my chart, because it's at home in the 8H.

This is one thing to factor in, in addition to any stelliums that may be present in your chart, or planetary conjunctions to the angles. My chart also has Mercury-Uranus conjunct my MC, and my ASC is in Aquarius, so I also have a strong Uranian influence.

EDIT: Also, forgot to mention. Even though my angles are ruled by Uranus-Venus-Sun-Pluto, which does boost my Sun, Venus is in Scorpio, and thus in detriment. You should check to see if your planets are exhalted or domicile in their signs, and if they are also classic or accidental rulers of the house they fall into.

Take this all together, and you'll get a good overall picture.

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posted June 01, 2012 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for intriguingineveryway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you mean what makes a planet super important for a person? A SIGN can be very important if a person has many planets in it. This is called a stellium.


if a person has a lot of gem in their chart but doesnt act like it? what could be the cause the person doesnt act like an air sign?

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posted June 01, 2012 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check your ASC sign; that influences how we present ourselves to the world, as well as any planets conjunct to it.

Secondly, check where your Mercury is placed and aspected. If it's conjunct Saturn, or placed in a reserved sign, like Capricorn, it may mean you seriously censor the words you speak.

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posted June 01, 2012 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for intriguingineveryway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Check your ASC sign; that influences how we present ourselves to the world, as well as any planets conjunct to it.

Secondly, check where your Mercury is placed and aspected. If it's conjunct Saturn, or placed in a reserved sign, like Capricorn, it may mean you seriously censor the words you speak.


not mine, but this person has three planets in gem. i read gem being social and talkative, but not this one at all. too brooding. i believe 3 planets in gem in their chart including the asc. there's a lot of saturn and pluto aspecting in the chart. the mercury is in taurus 12th house.

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posted June 02, 2012 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by intriguingineveryway:
not mine, but this person has three planets in gem. i read gem being social and talkative, but not this one at all. too brooding. i believe 3 planets in gem in their chart including the asc. there's a lot of saturn and pluto aspecting in the chart. the mercury is in taurus 12th house.


The 12H, in addition to dealing with dreams, the subconscious, and the psyche, also has to do with things outside of our control, things that are "locked away", secrets. In this case, their Mercury is locked into a passive role, meaning that instead of talking [and talking, and talking - Gemini is the storyteller of the Zodiac], they delve into the mind, and think [and think, and think...].

There may, of course, be other aspects that fortify this placement.

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posted June 02, 2012 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for intriguingineveryway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
The 12H, in addition to dealing with dreams, the subconscious, and the psyche, also has to do with things outside of our control, things that are "locked away", secrets. In this case, their Mercury is locked into a passive role, meaning that instead of talking [and talking, and talking - Gemini is the storyteller of the Zodiac], they delve into the mind, and think [and think, and think...].

There may, of course, be other aspects that fortify this placement.


that must be it coz the person does get too quiet. actually most of the time, and alone too much.


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posted June 02, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Also check the planet dispositors. For instance: My sun is in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter, which lies in Libra, which is disposited by its ruler, Venus in Scorpio, disposited by Pluto in Libra. There is then an endless cycle between Venus and Pluto, since they disposit each other. Pluto has an edge in my chart, because it's at home in the 8H.

This is one thing to factor in, in addition to any stelliums that may be present in your chart, or planetary conjunctions to the angles. My chart also has Mercury-Uranus conjunct my MC, and my ASC is in Aquarius, so I also have a strong Uranian influence.

EDIT: Also, forgot to mention. Even though my angles are ruled by Uranus-Venus-Sun-Pluto, which does boost my Sun, Venus is in Scorpio, and thus in detriment. You should check to see if your planets are exhalted or domicile in their signs, and if they are also classic or accidental rulers of the house they fall into.

Take this all together, and you'll get a good overall picture.


Hmm well if that is the case i have Sun in Leo tough its like on the very very very cusp its at 0°02' on leo sign , and as well i have my Venus in my 7th house , im not sure if this affects as well?

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posted June 02, 2012 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jim:
Hmm well if that is the case i have Sun in Leo tough its like on the very very very cusp its at 0°02' on leo sign , and as well i have my Venus in my 7th house , im not sure if this affects as well?

If you go to astro.com's extended chart selection page, there is a link for Pullen/Astrolog, and there, you can get a planet and house dispositor chart to determine what your strongest planets and houses are by sign. There may be more than one.

This doesn't take into account any stellium, angles, or accidental house rulers that might be at play, just to clarify. But it's a good starting point.

RE: your Sun at Leo 0. This isn't a bad placement, but since it sits at 0 degrees, you can consider it a lot like an infant. Rarring to go, but unable to get past the starting line just yet. Just as planets placed at 29 degrees seem so exhausting and tired and overworked all the time, planets at 0 degrees flail about a bit, unsure of where or how to focus their energy.

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posted June 02, 2012 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
If you go to astro.com's extended chart selection page, there is a link for Pullen/Astrolog, and there, you can get a planet and house dispositor chart to determine what your strongest planets and houses are by sign. There may be more than one.

This doesn't take into account any stellium, angles, or accidental house rulers that might be at play, just to clarify. But it's a good starting point.


Hello Blind writer. Would you mind explaining how to read the Pullen chart? Specifically, what do the numbers next to the planet placements mean? Example, next to Sun's placement in degrees, it gives a -0 deg, or next to Venus it gives a -0 deg 47 min, or next to Pluto it gives a + 12 deg 26 min.

Also what do "accidental house rulers" mean? Thank you so much for your time.

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posted June 02, 2012 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Hello Blind writer. Would you mind explaining how to read the Pullen chart? Specifically, what do the numbers next to the planet placements mean? Example, next to Sun's placement in degrees, it gives a -0 deg, or next to Venus it gives a -0 deg 47 min, or next to Pluto it gives a + 12 deg 26 min.

Also what do "accidental house rulers" mean? Thank you so much for your time.


Those numbers represent the latitude positions for each of the planets. Positive is North, and negative is South. I haven't used those, so I'm not the best person to ask about that.

Regarding houses, each of the houses has a classical ruler corresponding to the signs of the zodiac. Aries [Mars] classically rules house one, Taurus [Venus] house 2, etc. But since we have different times and locations of birth, the cusp of 1H, also called the ascendant, changes its position on the wheel. This is why people have different signs ruling their ascendant.

Let's take 8H for example. I was born with an Aquarian ASC, so my 8H cusp falls in Virgo. Classically, the 8H is ruled by Scorpio [Pluto], but the "accidental" ruler is now Virgo [Mercury].

Any planets you have in this house will be affected by the house cusp sign, even if they fall into another sign. All the planets I have in my 8H actually fall in Libra, but still retain that "Virgo" flavor when it comes to 8H matters. Just as they all retain that "Scorpio" flavor from its classic house ruler.

Accidental house rulers can change, depending on if you are using equal house system, placidus house system, whole sign system, etc.

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posted June 02, 2012 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Those numbers represent the latitude positions for each of the planets. Positive is North, and negative is South. I haven't used those, so I'm not the best person to ask about that.

Regarding houses, each of the houses has a classical ruler corresponding to the signs of the zodiac. Aries [Mars] classically rules house one, Taurus [Venus] house 2, etc. But since we have different times and locations of birth, the cusp of 1H, also called the ascendant, changes its position on the wheel. This is why people have different signs ruling their ascendant.

Let's take 8H for example. I was born with an Aquarian ASC, so my 8H cusp falls in Virgo. Classically, the 8H is ruled by Scorpio [Pluto], but the "accidental" ruler is now Virgo [Mercury].

Any planets you have in this house will be affected by the house cusp sign, even if they fall into another sign. All the planets I have in my 8H actually fall in Libra, but still retain that "Virgo" flavor when it comes to 8H matters. Just as they all retain that "Scorpio" flavor from its classic house ruler.

Accidental house rulers can change, depending on if you are using equal house system, placidus house system, whole sign system, etc.


Thank you Blind writer, for explaining accidental rulers and their effects.

Earlier you'd mentioned doing Pullen charts on Astro.com to another member as a way to figure out the strength of a particular planet and dispositor info. You said, -

"If you go to astro.com's extended chart selection page, there is a link for Pullen/Astrolog, and there, you can get a planet and house dispositor chart to determine what your strongest planets and houses are by sign. There may be more than one."

I guess I'm trying to understand this part. I tried the "small format natal chart wheel, Pullen style" on astro.com and came up with the + and - #s next to the planets that I mentioned in my previous post.

Is there a diff. kind I should use in order to get the planet strength/dispositor info?

Again thanks so much.

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posted June 02, 2012 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Blind writer,

I found it under sign/house dispositor graph from the pull down menu.

There are 4 boxes - 2 for sign and dispositor hierarchy in the top half and 2 for sign and dispositor wheel in the bottom half.

Now my question is - how do I read it? For example what do the different colored arrows stand for?

Thanks and sorry for bugging you about this

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posted June 02, 2012 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Ok Blind writer,

I found it under sign/house dispositor graph from the pull down menu.

There are 4 boxes - 2 for sign and dispositor hierarchy in the top half and 2 for sign and dispositor wheel in the bottom half.

Now my question is - how do I read it? For example what do the different colored arrows stand for?

Thanks and sorry for bugging you about this


Not a problem.

Heirarchy and wheel are just two different ways of looking at the same thing. The colors just represent elemental affinity.

Planets are on the left, and houses are on the right.

On the left, the planet symbols represent both the planet itself, and the sign it rules. The arrows indicate that it's dispositing/being disposited by another. Say for instance your Mars has an arrow pointing away from it to your Jupiter. This means your Jupiter is disposited by Mars [aka, Jupiter sits in Aries]. If they point to each other, then they disposit each other, like my earlier example of my Pluto and Venus. The circled planet represents the one that is the strongest in your chart. As I mentioned before, there may be more than one, especially if you have a splay chart.

On the right, houses are very much the same. The planetary signs this time represent both the planets and the classic houses, which might seem confusing. For example, I have Mercury pointing to Jupiter [aka, sitting in 9H, classically ruled by Sagittarius/Jupiter]. The house dispositor indicates your strongest house, and that is usually the one which has the most number of planets residing therein.

Keep in mind that Mercury and Venus both rule two houses and signs. Mercury rules H3 [Gemini] and H6 [Virgo], while Venus rules H2 [Taurus] and H7 [Libra]. If either of these show up as strong houses, check your circle wheel to see which one it might be referring to.

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posted June 02, 2012 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Blind writer! I think I'm beginning to get this.

On the left I have 4 planets, all circled in black - Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this would mean that the above planets are strongest 'cause each one is in it's own sign?

On the right also I have 4 planets - Venus, Mars, and Neptune ( all 3 circled in blue), and Jupiter (circled in black). This would mean that the houses these 4 occupy are the strongest, right? [is there any diff. bet. the blue and black circles?]

Since both the left and right sides have Mars and Venus as the common objects, do I take it to mean that these 2 planets, the signs, they are in as well as the houses they occupy are the strongest?

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posted June 02, 2012 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Thank you Blind writer! I think I'm beginning to get this.

On the left I have 4 planets, all circled in black - Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this would mean that the above planets are strongest 'cause each one is in it's own sign?

On the right also I have 4 planets - Venus, Mars, and Neptune ( all 3 circled in blue), and Jupiter (circled in black). This would mean that the houses these 4 occupy are the strongest, right? [is there any diff. bet. the blue and black circles?]

Since both the left and right sides have Mars and Venus as the common objects, do I take it to mean that these 2 planets, the signs, they are in as well as the houses they occupy are the strongest?

Thanks


The black circle means the planet sits in its own sign [left] or its own house [right]. The above means your Jupiter sits in the 9H, Mars is in Aries, and Saturn in Capricorn.

This is a good starting point. The dispositor graph shows which of your planets have influence over each other and in what domain. Next is to check these planets' positions in your chart, their signs, and houses, as well as aspects. You can have a "strong" planet, but if it's isolated and doesn't aspect anything, it's essentially locked away.

This method doesn't consider other powerhouses in your chart. For example, my dispositor graphs only indicate Venus-Pluto, and 8H as strong points. However, my Venus is in detriment, and I also have that Mercury-Uranus-MC conjunction, plus an Aquarian ASC. Uranus isn't significant in dispositing terms, but still important in my chart.

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posted June 02, 2012 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I see. So several things need to be considered overall to determine strength. Again, thanks for taking the time.

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