posted June 04, 2012 05:55 PM            

I was researching Avatar points in the zodiac and came up with the following information -
http://www.astrologycom.com/glossary.html

"Avatar Point
The potent 15th degree of each of the Fixed Signs. Held by some to mark the entry point of divine energy via the planetary Avatar into the cosmos."

The Fixed signs are of course Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. So the 15th degree of these signs is considered critical as "important spiritual energies enter the earth through these points."

Aside from this there's precious else available on the web about these points. I'm not even sure I understand what the above definition means, to be honest.

Does it mean that each time there's a planet transiting one of the above 15 degrees there's an important spiritual influence on the earth? Or does this spiritual influence apply only to those who have planets at these critical degrees in their natal charts?

For example, I have Moon at the 15th degree of Taurus. I would like to know what this means for me.

Similarly, someone I know has Mars at the avatar point of Leo, NN at the Avatar point of Scorpio, and Chiron at the Avatar point of Aquarius. What do each of these mean?

Please check your charts to see if you have anything at these Avatar points.

If anyone has information on this subject, I'd be grateful if you could share it so that we can all understand the significance. I could be wrong but my gut tells me this topic is important.

posted June 04, 2012 06:10 PM            

My Jupiter seems to have quite a lot of powerful things centered around it already... it conjuncts Kaali too so this is another thing added to the mix that makes it feel special to me! On top of that it's my chart ruler so I wonder what that means??

I found on another LL post, the 15 degree Avatar point can be described as "...attachment to the law of karma - possibility for an advanced soul to fulfil its destiny and to teach others." Sounds nice.

Another site said, "Avatar Points. They are considered to be degrees where important spiritual influences enter the Earth plane and our lives. Planets moving across these Avatar Points will trigger the release of these influences."

posted June 04, 2012 08:34 PM            

So my sun,moon
and
sun merc midpoint
is at 15 leo..
Idk if it counts though..lol

posted June 04, 2012 10:24 PM            

Sweet-scorpion, It's awesome that you have the force of Kali (the formidable form of the Hindu Goddess Parvati, and who works by destroying evil) conjunct Jupiter at the Avatar Point in Scorpio. And if Jupiter is your chart ruler then this will be even more significant for you.

Thank you for the additional info on these points especially the part about -

"...attachment to the law of karma - possibility for an advanced soul to fulfil its destiny and to teach others."

posted June 04, 2012 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Aw yeah, Sun-NN at 15 degrees Scorpio.

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Hiya RS!! You're just sooo cool!!
Seriously tho, Sun AND NN at 15 Scorpio is nothing to sneeze at.

posted June 04, 2012 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
My sun is at 16 keep, my moon, mercury is at14 leo

So my sun,moon
and
sun merc midpoint
is at 15 leo..
Idk if it counts though..lol

Idk what it means, but I feel spiritual inside..
But I feel it's meant for me to pass on to others, prob the h6 stuff going on...
I'm here for others.

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Fantastic Lioness! Your Sun, Moon, and Mercury fit the bill. I don't think any mid-point would count as the Avatar point is itself a point. And all in the house of service!! Your heart, mind and your personality all in service to others. It's the best way to release oneself from karmic obligations imo.

posted June 04, 2012 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Omigod lotsa people say I've got like, something special going down...wuh, maybe I will someday be something special, ahahaha. Thanks Linda Jones,

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posted June 04, 2012 11:07 PM            

What if there's a grand cross in a natal chart involving these 4 Avatar points?

A grand cross in fixed signs is -
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_cross_%28astrology%29

"A fixed Grand Cross is said to lead to a person who is well organized but does not know where to direct their talents. Consequently, those with a fixed grand cross tend to be stuck in the same place."

Doesn't sound too good does it? Seeing that grand crosses are never really considered a blessing, how would the interpretation change if the fixed grand cross is at Avatar points.

posted June 04, 2012 11:47 PM            

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Imo, You're already special. I saw your pic once. That's all I need to know!!

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posted June 05, 2012 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Fantastic Lioness! Your Sun, Moon, and Mercury fit the bill. I don't think any mid-point would count as the Avatar point is itself a point. And all in the house of service!! Your heart, mind and your personality all in service to others. It's the best way to release oneself from karmic obligations imo.

You're a powerhouse of strength anyway. It's nice to know where some of the strength may be coming from.

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Makes sense... I'm an 8 which means I'm here to put an end to things, to.complete my karmic debit...
Which really fits with me.. The service to others, doing things for others.. And ending relationships... Having the final..
Does your friend have a h6 moon?

I have a bowl with chiron, and my stellium..

Your friend may be a spiritual teacher.. Does he have a sag mc?

posted June 05, 2012 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Makes sense... I'm an 8 which means I'm here to put an end to things, to.complete my karmic debit...
Which really fits with me.. The service to others, doing things for others.. And ending relationships... Having the final..
Does your friend have a h6 moon?

I have a bowl with chiron, and my stellium..

Your friend may be a spiritual teacher.. Does he have a sag mc?

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Hey Lioness, yes a Sag MC. What does this say?

posted June 05, 2012 01:31 AM            

One night I was out with friends, we went to a bar I've never been to.. It wasn't really my type of place, we just kind of fell into it..
As soon as I got there my eyes immediately met with one of the bouncers...
I felt an overwhelming urge to speak to him.. But I carried on with my friends..
I had.a drink, but the nagging feeling abt this guy was overbearing...
It.wasnt a romantic feeling.. I just knew I had to speak to him... So I walked away from.my friends, I went looking for him.. I saw him, I started a small talk with him.. We ended up standing standing there for at least 2 hours having a deep life conversation..
At point I told him, idk y.. It just came out..
I said in a year or so it's going to get tuff for you..
Don't let it get.u down,.just do what's right and you will be better for it..
At.that.exact.moment, my friends found me, saying omg I thought something happen to you... We have been looking all over for u.
Just then the lights came on, and the bar was closing..
He said thank u, I left and never returned to that bar..

posted June 05, 2012 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Hey Lioness, no he has a 12H Moon (Pisces) and yes a Sag MC. What does this say?

The funny thing is my Moon at the Avatar point in Taurus is conjunct his SN/Juno conjunction.

In fact his Juno is right on my Moon, only 9 mins apart!!

And my Juno is quincunx his Sun, 20 mins. apart!!

Thanks for your input!

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The sag mc suggest a teacher of some sort..
His moon in h12, should make him feel everything going on.. I wonder if he feels it deeply..

What about his jupiter?

posted June 05, 2012 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Linda,
I will try to explain what I mean by service to others,.or maybe clearing karma... How these things sometime work..

One night I was out with friends, we went to a bar I've never been to.. It wasn't really my type of place, we just kind of fell into it..
As soon as I got there my eyes immediately met with one of the bouncers...
I felt an overwhelming urge to speak to him.. But I carried on with my friends..
I had.a drink, but the nagging feeling abt this guy was overbearing...
It.wasnt a romantic feeling.. I just knew I had to speak to him... So I walked away from.my friends, I went looking for him.. I saw him, I started a small talk with him.. We ended up standing standing there for at least 2 hours having a deep life conversation..
At point I told him, idk y.. It just came out..
I said in a year or so it's going to get tuff for you..
Don't let it get.u down,.just do what's right and you will be better for it..
At.that.exact.moment, my friends found me, saying omg I thought something happen to you... We have been looking all over for u.
Just then the lights came on, and the bar was closing..
He said thank u, I left and never returned to that bar..

I still don't know why I said in a year..etc..
I just knew I had to..once I did that was that..
That overwhelming feeling was gone...

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posted June 05, 2012 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ok
so his h10 ruler is in his 7th.
He so to speak teaches, and learns through his relationships..
Maybe he teaches alot relationships.

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Yeah, makes sense. He's certainly taught me a lot.

Thanx for helping Lioness. Hope you're doing well. Wow! I can't get over you having 3 planets at one Avatar point!!