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Topic: How can a Grand Trine not work? (Chart Inside)
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ScatterShock
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posted June 05, 2012 10:34 PM
  
I have a grand trine in Water between Mars, Pluto, and the Moon. However, I don't really feel as if I have any of the qualities associated with this. I don't have a strong control of my emotional states (except that I can force myself not to cry sometimes), I don't have a particularly strong sense of personal power, and definitely don't feel emotionally self-sufficient. I was wondering if there were any aspects in my chart that could cancel out having this grand trine? Is there something that I can do to tell if these energies actually manifest in me?  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 05, 2012 10:43 PM
Interesting! I also have a Pisces 19 moon, and my sun is at Cap 16, trine your sun, conjunct your Neptune.I would think that having MARS and PLUTO working on a Pisces moon would be super intense! That's my guess for where the heavy emotion is coming from. I have a grand air trine with Mercury, Mars and Pluto and it is intense, even in air. Plus, your Mercury square Mars can be a bumpy road sometimes. Well you are a young one, yet. This will probably improve with time, plus you are a Taurus with lots of strength on your side. So what if you cry sometimes? It's just life. Don't let your Cap outer planets & NN bully you into thinking you can't let off steam when you want...this looks like a pretty good chart, to me.  IP: Logged |
ScatterShock
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posted June 05, 2012 11:00 PM
Thank you, Faith... I actually don't think of myself as very in tune with my emotions, even though it looks like I am supposed to be. Hmm, the only emotions I think I intensely feel are negative ones... On the flip side, those are exactly the emotions I've spent a good amount of my life hiding from others, though I'm not sure how successful I've been at it. I just feel like I should be an emotionally strong person, having my Moon shored up by Mars and Pluto, but I'm not.Thanks very much for saying my chart looks good. Sometimes, I don't feel like it belongs to me.... IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 05, 2012 11:11 PM
I guess I don't know what you mean by emotionally strong? Do you mean resilient, like not having things affect you? Pisces moons...it's like we have no shield at all against our environment, everything gets right to us. We have to take time off for ourselves to unload that negative energy we pick up from other people. I've read this over and over and believe it's true. I can feel like cr*p for no reason; now I give it a name, it's called, "soaking up too many bad vibes from the people around me." Just something I've learned about my lunar life  and maybe it'll help you. I hope others chime in since I am not the most advanced astrologer here, not by a long shot. Best wishes  Edit: Oops! Is your birth time really 12 noon or don't you have a birth time? That could change everything, if you were born late at night and have an Aries moon, for instance. IP: Logged |
ScatterShock
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posted June 06, 2012 12:31 AM
Yea, I meant being able to let things roll off my back (it's something I'm not good at). Is that not what astrologers' descriptions of Moon/Pluto emotional strength mean? Oh... Then again, I tend to rationalize my feelings, so I am not very good at knowing how to deal with how I feel, either.And, about my Moon and emotional vibes- I don't even know if I'm picking up on how others feel (even though it can randomly happen!). In fact, most of the time I don't feel all that intuitive or emotionally receptive at all. Thank you for mentioning it, though- I really wish that I could figure out how I respond to emotional atmospheres so that I can do something about it. I don't actually know my correct Ascendant, but I checked and my Moon would be in Pisces no matter the time of day. Thank you, again! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 06, 2012 02:56 AM
Yea it could still be in Pisces like you say, but it could also be out of orb.IP: Logged |
ScatterShock
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posted June 06, 2012 12:02 PM
Yes, but I also looked at early morning and late night charts and it seems to fit- since I wanted to see what ascendants might fit me.
I mean, I have a birth certificate, but the time on it (10:32pm- giving me Sagittarius Rising) didn't fit me very well, and even then, the Moon would have been at 24 Pisces, which seems to be in orb with Pluto. (I used 75% of Astrodienst's orb) I hope I don't seem argumentative... I just want to figure it out... IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 06, 2012 03:39 PM
Nah, you don't seem argumentative! I'd go with the birth certificate time. It can't be THAT off.Then you might have rising square moon which complicates how you come across to people.
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Lonake
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posted June 06, 2012 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by ScatterShock:
I hope I don't seem argumentative... I just want to figure it out...
hAAA you don't have to apologize to me, it's others here that are batty as all get out and might misread you. By the way you posted the chart it was like you didn't have a time. But yea it could be off ya never know. And the phrase 'strong control of my emotional states' is more like a Moon/Saturn dynamic. You have Moon (maybe) trine Mars/Pluto - neither incline to emotional stability. And if there *is* a grand trine, the energy could easily run around on itself until you find a suitable outlet Cheers.IP: Logged |
ScatterShock
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posted June 06, 2012 10:53 PM
Thank you, Faith and Lonake. I realize that I tend to focus in on individual details really fast when trying to figure out the answer to something and I appreciate being told about other ways to look at an issue.I totally didn't think that 'emotional stoicism', which is what I totally believed 'emotional strength' to mean, is the wrong way to look at that lunar aspect. But yea, Moon/Saturn makes more sense than Moon/Pluto for it. Um, just to be sure, does that mean Moon/Pluto (if I've got the trine) is like having even more intense emotional reactions to things than my Moon being in Pisces? Or is it like knowing exactly how to respond when in an intensely emotional situation? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 07, 2012 07:08 AM
It means you're prob sexy, creative, good at reading emotional undercurrents, tuned in in a way that can comfort others, but you can also tear em down cos you know their weak points so it's up to you. The Pisces/Scorp combo is a classic sex (god)dess look so you could be rocking that 'if you are so inclined.'The personal power not being strong, look at your past to see if your dad had a role in that. You have a pretty creative chart from what I see here, minus the houses, but also some aspects that incline toward a bi polar tendency, feeling disempowered, and also potentially combative and also passive aggressive. There are some indicators for abuse too so if that's the case maybe that is standing in your way. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 07, 2012 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:hAAA you don't have to apologize to me, it's others here that are batty as all get out and might misread you..
Who exactly are you referring to? Who is "batty as all get out"? I assume this oblique insult was intended for me, but you are so crafty, you'll call me paranoid if I call you to task for it. In the interest of preserving peace on this forum, and living up to your responsibilities as a moderator, please refrain from making nebulous, antagonistic comments like this. It's psychic contamination. Serves no good purpose. IP: Logged |
Milkyshutter
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posted June 07, 2012 10:09 AM
In some ways you and I can relate. I have my moon opposed pluto and loosely trine mars. However, my moon is in fire sign, so it is more obvious for me to feel that impulsive energy. If you have pisces moon, you may not even understand your emotion sometimes, if you will. Thats the only way I can explain it. The description I read in this page below was quite accurate to mine. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonplutoaspects.html
I hope it helps. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 07, 2012 10:10 AM
Where is Asc?? The orb could be wider,if you don't know tob.Try rocking out the Nep oppo Mars,Mars is part of the trine,Pisces Moon is disposited by Pluto. Nep is the key,and the energy of a opposition. The better way than the quare from the Merc. (to get the trine potential goin you need hard aspect) Neptune is the best option. IP: Logged |
ScatterShock
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posted June 07, 2012 01:47 PM
Ah... I can't say that I've channeled much of that, Lonake. It sounds cool, though. As for the signs in my chart as a whole, I definitely have some of those issues. I wish I was more creative, but I am too wrapped up in feeling like I can't do anything good to actually be willing to practice so that I can get somewhere. Ahh... I have so much learning to do!!MilkyShutter, I'm surprised to find that I agree more with the description of Moon opposite Pluto than with Moon Trine Pluto! 
I am glad that you offered to help.
VenusDiSirius, I do need to get a rectification. So far, it seems like I might have a Cardinal Asc, but I would need to ask around to get a more definite starting point. When I try to use my birth certificate's time, I get Sagittarius Rising, which doesn't fit my personality or appearance very well (even though I tried to convinced myself that it did in the past because I wanted it to be right. *sigh*). Hmm, does that mean I need to activate Neptunian energy? That sounds like meditation, which I am really not good at. I hope not... >_<
Thanks very much for your advice, though.
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ScatterShock
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posted June 10, 2012 06:46 PM
*Bump*
How do I focus on Neptune? I had spent some time looking at articles of my Neptune aspects, and they apply to me really well, but I don't really know what to do with further research or even trying to access my Neptunian energy.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 11, 2012 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by ScatterShock:
Ahh... I have so much learning to do!!
That should be the fun part Cheers
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