posted June 18, 2012 05:41 PM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.

Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted June 18, 2012 05:41 PM            

Pleas Listen to Maria Mena—Just Hold Me

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posted June 18, 2012 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
WOW, thanks !
I'm going to be reading this with extreme attention I feel a bit intimidated though, having a topic especially created for my understanding

Yes Jupiter is in my 12th house too

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posted June 18, 2012 07:39 PM            

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posted June 18, 2012 07:40 PM            

The 12th house is the closest part of the chart to the next dimension. The next dimension is unseen.Death resides there, as does spirituality and mysticism and creativity. Addictions reside there because addictions put one in an alternative state of consciousness. When one has Jupiter, here, one has an unusual situation. Jupiter is the planet of good fortune and expansion. It brings joy and optimism to what it touches. In the 12th house, it is called the Guardian Angel Placement. However, it seems as if people who HAVE Jupiter in the 12th house, get in to more scrapes that the average person and need Jupiter to extract them from the hands of accidents and misfortunes. If you see a dare devil type of person who, continually, escapes, unscathed, I bet he has Jupiter in the 12th house.

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posted June 19, 2012 08:29 AM            

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posted June 19, 2012 03:53 PM            

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The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

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This.

posted June 19, 2012 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaos:
This.

What if someone has Jupiter AND North Node there??...Jupiter makes things easier, but NN makes them more difficult...does it balances out?

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No lol
I don't see how a balance thing would be there imo

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posted June 19, 2012 05:45 PM            

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The 12th House hurts so badly, because the person yearns, but cannot seem to get what he yearns for. It seems he cannot act in his own behalf. He swims in the waters of Pisces, wanting and yearning, yet not being able to make his dreams become reality. That seems to be the legacy of 12th house planets.I seem to be doing many charts with 12th house planets.How does one put in to words, the feeling of living in an alternate reality? Non 12th House people do not understand. The 12th House person is a sort of alien

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Could it be the pain comes from the fact that the 12th house person has a hard time ackowledging his/her 12th planet and then feels sort of deprived from it?

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They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.

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posted June 19, 2012 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Long - standing:
I have Moon,Saturn,Mercury in the 12 th))

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I will do a separate thread for you with info on these!

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posted June 19, 2012 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Long - standing:
And thank to God, the Sun is in the 11 th, in 26 degree ))But i read the Mercury position here is favourable...Very often people come to me with their troubles, in childhood it even coused the neurotic disorders...i could do nothing but pray for them every night..

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posted June 19, 2012 06:08 PM            

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posted June 19, 2012 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Would a 12th house person understand and therefore be better in a relationship with another 12th house person?

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I never thought about this question, myself. I would think yes. However, if his planets overlay your 12th house, that might promote mutual understanding. Do you know about House Overlays?

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posted June 19, 2012 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Dear UEH
The way I se eit is that the 12th house planet is like a child in time out with his face toward the wall. That 12th House planet is facing the next dimension such that the person may be "too spiritual" for the earth. He is just too raw, too sensitive etc. I think of a highly tuned pitch or a high note. The earth is a low note. As such, things that another person can shrug off, the 12th house person takes to heart, at a much deeper level. Does this resonate with you?

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Yes, definitely. I can relate to sensitivity and taking much to heart.
But as you said in your article, one needs to find someone to share it. And I agree very much with this part:

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Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it.

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posted June 19, 2012 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I never thought about this question, myself. I would think yes. However, if his planets overlay your 12th house, that might promote mutual understanding. Do you know about House Overlays?

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12th house overlay is pretty powerful and certainly even more so when you have planets in the 12th house.
Now that I think about it the very few people who I can confide in either have a planet in my 12th house or I have some planets in their 12th house

posted June 19, 2012 06:33 PM            

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Jupiter in the 12th House
By amiann | Published: January 6, 2012

In the 12th house, it is called the Guardian Angel Placement. However, it seems as if people who HAVE Jupiter in the 12th house, get in to more scrapes that the average person and need Jupiter to extract them from the hands of accidents and misfortunes.

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This is very true! Me and my sister have it, and we were both very accident prone when we were children but somehow we just would "escape" the sitation and nothing harmful happened.

posted June 21, 2012 08:03 AM            

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No lol
I don't see how a balance thing would be there imo

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