posted June 18, 2012 11:36 PM            

I also know a Cancer Sun whose Sun is natally sq Pluto in Libra, so he gets ALSO a transit of Uranus in Aries in opposition. I've seen people who've commented thinking that they were going to DIE under that opposition, can you imagine? Also, if you've had this, would you agree with these people? Not that it discounts their experiences but it's quite dramatic. I mean Sun sq Pluto is bad enough on its own since it's so desirous of controlling everyone and everything. And Uranus in Aries says, 'You're gonna get over here and deal with it one way or the other cos right now everything you cling to for your sense of power is being overthrown.'

Gotta Love the Transpersonals for their Drama. They're the real driving forces of this world. So when you *already* have your personals tied to them, esp in hard aspect, and it comes along in a hard transit, it is literally like hold on for your life!

I have Sun sq Uranus natally so I'm cool as PIE with this aspect, but so interested in what the newbies are going through?

Also bringing this up because the sq will be exact on June 24th (!) Not that it's gonna bring anything good, I mean we're not talking about the 60's Uranus/Pluto conj, it is a square after all.

I wanna hear stories of lives being turned upside down and revolutionized. I know with my square I'm always ready to make a break for it and let the pieces fall where they may (!) All in the name of freedom. I having this aspect so I want to hear if you've accepted the change or if you're still fighting it,

posted June 19, 2012 05:27 AM            

As I have IC on 5 Aries, Pluto on 9 Libra and Venus on 6 Cap.

Well, I remember the first time I travelled to London (first time on my own) to see Jude Law in Hamlet and visit the city - in that order .

Tr Uranus was square my Sun-Mercury-conjunction exactly.
pr Sun had just changed into AQUARIUS and was being square natal Uranus.

NOTHING went as it was supposed to. When I arrived at the hotel, they weren`t able to read my credit card (which makes sense in terms of Uranus-electronic- I think).
I was close to having a nervous breakdown, as it was difficult enough to go there on my own (a friend was supposed to come there, but due to financial problems it turned out the WEEK before departure she wouldn`t be able to make it!), and then that!

Well, it was actually when I stopped stressing out and sat down and gave a good laugh at the universe: YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME, right?

That things suddenly started to solve themselves. It was just a minor thing to correct with the cardreader at the hotel (they had to type in the nmber for German cards instead just scanning it).

Other problems arose, as well, to which I had to find quite original solutions and had to talk to people I usually would not talk to.
And me being so shy and blocked when it comes to speaking English!

I had to really go beyond my perceived limitations.

Buzt that is Uranus for me!
When Tr Uranus was conjunct my MOon, I made my first trip EVER to PAris, on my own, to meet people I never had met before (knew them from a forum) and when I arrived there they had forgotten my booking! Though I had a resarvation confirmation.
Well, I checked in with that email friend I was meeting up with, as she had a double room.

Uranus. That sums it up I guess. lol

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When tr Pluto was conjunct my Sun-Mercury, I actually had this fixed idea I would die, though I knew it was nunsense. I think it is the translation of the inner knowledge that you have to shed a bit of soul-skin to give birth to the new.

posted June 19, 2012 05:33 AM            

Yeah, yikes. (hobo!)

Prepare to never have a home base.

posted June 19, 2012 05:43 AM            

I love this, accepting the craziness of it all,

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Well, it was actually when I stopped stressing out and sat down and gave a good laugh at the universe: YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME, right? That things suddenly started to solve themselves.

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I had to really go beyond my perceived limitations.

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posted June 19, 2012 05:52 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Try having it exactly conjunct MC

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posted June 19, 2012 06:01 AM            

I can only imagine how it would feel transiting. Yeah, some shake-ups for sure, but it could also skyrocket any type of career you might have. Or lead you on on a completely new path.....if it doesnt make you move a long distance.....or get your house struck by lightening first. (that actually happened to me when i was 15 years old. I wasnt home but it struck my bedroom! )

Anyway, try to use Uranus on the MC to it's fullest advantage if you can. So hard to say what to do or which way to go, because it's so unpredictable...

I think it could def. be a positive transit though.

Hold on....just reallzed you are talking more about the Sun square.......will have to look back on when exactly that happened for me...

posted June 19, 2012 06:17 AM            

"Not that you had one, just sayin it's funny you bring that up (!)"
Yes, I read that as well. I was not having a real one, but was very stressed out that I can tell.

And then something inside my snapped and I got quite stubborn calling to the universe: "I don`t care what you`re throwing at me. I am going to see this damned play, and if I have to sleep under a bridge!"

And that was when suddenly everythng went just fine. I even got a better room (though I changed it back again as this was way down under earth and I felt like I might suffocate so deeply below the surface).

"I love this, accepting the craziness of it all,"
I find this is the only way to deal with Uranus.

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I had to really go beyond my perceived limitations."

Yes, I think that is the lesson Uranus hs for me. Also speaks to my Aquarius Moon-I guess.
Uranus rules my 3rd house (though it is no surprise it happens on short travels) and Moon is in my 2nd house, ruling my 8th (shaking up the foundation of my value system).

posted June 19, 2012 07:48 AM            

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I mean Sun sq Pluto is bad enough on its own since it's so desirous of controlling everyone and everything.

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posted June 19, 2012 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Bullsh*t.

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You're right and wrong... The bad side are also one part of this aspect..its interesting to know both side of an aspect.. Lonake want go deeply into the dark side of this one so.....

posted June 19, 2012 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
That's not bullsh!t. Sun sq Pluto is poster aspect for power-tripping. You are attacking Lonake all over the boards,disguising it in astro stuff.

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Huh? What astro stuff did I say that applied to Lonake? Please cite one instance.

Oh wait, you can't.

Because you're wrong, I haven't done that even once.

Ironically, she is the one demonizing people and getting away with it.

Unlike Lonake, I don't even allude to certain aspects as being outright good or bad.

What she said about sun square Pluto IS bull. I have the aspect and I'm not controlling enough. I have a hard time telling my own CHILDREN what to do.

Furthermore I know a lot of people with this aspect, lots of Aries and Caps in the Libra Pluto generation, and none are control freaks. So I am entitled to my opinion. That's been my experience.

Edit: Just realized my Libra father also had sun square Pluto in Cancer. Ask any of my childhood friends....I had tons of freedom growing up. My dad was a gentle man who respected others' right to be themselves.

posted June 19, 2012 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Bullsh*t.

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That hardly qualifies as astrological statement.

If you have something to discuss with Lonake, do it in private or in another part of the forum, not in the astrological section.
Or elaborate why you think the statement was astrologically wrong.

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I see you explained yourself.

posted June 19, 2012 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
@Faith Attacks through astrological argumentation = my opinion,and this is very clear from my post.

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Funny thing is I DON'T.

I don't criticize ANYONE through astrology. (Okay...I think I made one snicker about a typical Aries sun blunder once, a few months ago. God forgive me.)

If ANYONE can find me trash talking ANYONE or even any aspect using astrology, bring it on. I will apologize profusely.

Because doing so is anti-humanitarian, it lacks discernment, and it's AGAINST my code of ethics.

Ariesdragon is also sun square Pluto, BTW.
Does ANYONE here think he is the poster child control freak? Ditto for Cappy1277, have you all felt controlled by her?

A little moderation with the accusations, please. It'll make your astrology more accurate, less simplistic, and basically kinder.

posted June 19, 2012 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Funny thing is I DON'T.

I don't criticize ANYONE through astrology. (Okay...I think I made one snicker about a typical Aries sun blunder once, a few months ago. God forgive me.)

If ANYONE can find me trash talking ANYONE or even any aspect using astrology, bring it on. I will apologize profusely

Because doing so is anti-humanitarian, it lacks discernment, and it's AGAINST my code of ethics.

Ariesdragon is also sun square Pluto, BTW.
Does ANYONE here think he is the poster child control freak? Ditto for Cappy1277, have you all felt controlled by her?

A little moderation with the accusations, please. It'll make your astrology more accurate, less simplistic, and basically kinder.

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posted June 19, 2012 11:25 AM            

Cancer and Cap in Pluto Libra generation = my good friends, too, actually.

Venus, I have an issue with Lonake, it's true. Grant me this much, I haven't been sneaky about it, but forthright.

I have an issue with someone who is very influential here, yet who persistently makes sweeping, negative remarks, many of them obviously directed at me, ie I am "batty as all get out."

When I have tried to defend myself, I get stomped by Lonake's friends. Of whom there are many because she CAN be nice. But after being provoked numerous times, I have gotten totally fed up with the whole immature racket.

That a MODERATOR behaves this way is unfortunate.

That astrology should be used as a platform for repeated covert attacks bothers me.

That it's almost impossible to OVERTLY call someone to task for offending me here, and hash it out with them completely and be done with it, because the threads always get shut down...that bothers me, too. It's almost like people resort to these exasperating covert tactics because honest conflict is suppressed.

Anyway...so you want to name this pet peeve of mine "sun square Pluto" syndrome or something? I'm trying to control people by getting them off my back?

I think it's self-defense, it's normal and natural and common to all.

Just out of curiosity, what would have been the "appropriate" response to my feeling insulted...in your non-controlling, non-sun-square-Pluto opinion?

Lay down and take it? What magical aspect would give me that ability?

posted June 19, 2012 11:31 AM            

I will no longer reply on her threads.

I ask that she does NOT refer to me or my comments on threads where I have posted before her.

I apologize for the tension here.

Best wishes, all.

posted June 19, 2012 11:55 AM            

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Venus, I have an issue with Lonake, it's true. Grant me this
much, I haven't been sneaky about it, but forthright.

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Granted,and even more so if forthright : healthy way to address the problem.

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I have an issue with someone who is very influential here,
yet who persistently makes sweeping, negative remarks,
many of them obviously directed at me, ie I am "batty as
all get out."
When I have tried to defend myself, I get stomped by
Lonake's friends. Of whom there are many because she
CAN be nice. But after being provoked numerous times, I
have gotten totally fed up with the whole immature racket.
That a MODERATOR behaves this way is unfortunate.

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Not influential,but astro-respected - her astrological opinion is very appreciated. And hoping you won't misunderstand this : it is hard to be nice to people whose astro opinion you don't appreciate,for astrology is a bond here,and once disturbed,it throws off balance other matters as well. Minimum decorum required? Yes,but let it be in form of just ignoring them. As for the "batty" comment,I agree - not good.
If friends defend,oh well,friends are like that. But,you have no problem with them,so continue to focus on things that matter to you,and defend yourself,if necessary. But,you did exactly what you accuse Lonake of - immaturely attacking. (your choice of words,I was looking beyond them) The way you presented yourself diminished the strengh of your argument,and frankly,it wasn't that strong to begin with. I confess to have stated BS in a many astro discussions,I understand your reaction,just after the link stuff,from Venus/Mars thread in combination with your post,it doesn't appear impersonal,but rather aiming at something.
I sympathize with you completely,I also have issues with moderating of ceratain moderators and their behavior. At the end of the day - do I care? No. I am here for astrology,and things gets messy both on forums and in life - I won't give up,I won't allow it to disturb me.

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Just out of curiosity, what would have been the
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non-controlling, non-sun-square-Pluto opinion?

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I see,you have Sun sq Pluto? Appropriate response? The one that doesn't insult YOU,first and foremost. Both friends and enemies are one's match,so be careful never to degrade yourself. Don't respond with an insult.

posted June 19, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
That's not bullsh!t. Sun sq Pluto is poster aspect for power-tripping.

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