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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found lovely article on the subject ~ http://sanjaperic.com/2012/05/25/mars-and-neptun-%E2%80%93-the-doors-of-perception/

Can you relate?

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posted June 21, 2012 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anchi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your link doesn't work, but I found it on the site:
http://sanjaperic.com/2012/05/25/mars-and-neptun-%E2%80%93-the-doors-of-perception/

I have Mars square Neptune(6 degrees). That was a very interesting article indeed! This little bit was funny:

''Unconcern for simple things, for everyday life designed by the medias, chatting with the neighbors, gossiping, shopping.''

That's so true for me! I don't like any of it! lol

Thank you for posting! =)


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posted June 21, 2012 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odd,works for me? Maybe my browser is acting up...

I have square too,VERY interesting piece of article

edit: I think it's ok,now

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posted June 21, 2012 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Even though we are physically present we are not all “there”. What kind of worlds those are and spaces in between that we will discover; not from the outside, only when we go in – I do not know, I only know that I can see, hear and sense them. Let us be sucked into the whirlpool of those depths, which gives us energy only when we are dragged into it- and this is a creative energy. Because this is Creativity- to invent and not reproduce, paint something for the first time, write, play for yourself- meaning to compose. This is the aspect of a skill that cannot be taught or mastered. A skill that has always been there.

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This is an active imagination “ a magical space between thoughts and existence “. A space into which a person with a Mars/Neptune aspect enters. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes not, or she just finds an open window, a crack in the cave and enters it. The problem with those having a bad aspect is that they forget to exit it

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She doesn’t know where is the beginning or the end, since a person does not naturally believes in beginnings, endings and boundaries. This is why she chooses art, psychology or mysticism, because it is boundless. But then again, it is not the illusion then, while we are creating, not a wandering thought but the truth torn from the context and so true, that the search for the whole context seems like the only true mission, the only thing that matters.

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Imaginary, so called by people but in fact is Real and True.

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This aspect carries within so much sorrow, given as a pure gift, and still makes life impossible to live in the simple and real world. Unconcern for simple things, for everyday life designed by the medias, chatting with the neighbors, gossiping, shopping. How many times have ordinary people who see him as a wandering Odyssey pitied him. But people do not see what he carries within, only one side of him, dreamy and absent-minded who cannot focus on a normal conversation, who asks what no one else dare to ask, who over the years considers his home his temple, where he nurtures his energy and soul.

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To loose oneself in the wilderness of the imaginary only to find a sword then and there, or like me with my Mars/Neptune, two years ago while on a cruise, a knife at the bottom of the sea, – as if Mars/Neptune was whispering in your ear “now, dive in, head first to the bottom!” And so millions of people live with this aspect, not knowing when, but knowing that the right moment for that dive will come, and that they will either find themselves, or discover some new truth that will carry them into new battles, because these people will never be WORKers but WARriors in this transcending space that others do not even suspect exists.

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These are the ones that have first lost then found themselves, and now are helping others do the same. This is the sole mission and the greatness of this aspect, because people with this aspect go through the doors of perception alone. They know that they will not return the same, but forever changed- and that risk of not knowing whether they will return as someone who has known and seen the truth and found / saved themselves, or crippled with a shattered psyche, is what is worth of admiration, of this extraordinary Martian courage to let the man fly into realms outside of space, to places far away from the ones that we are used to, where he would be strong and powerful in the physical sense.

-Mars/Neptune Opposition

All my hard Neptune aspects have always made me feel "different" like either I am missing something or others are but eventually everyone with these aspects should realize the key is to be completely open, to follow your heart and remember the balance. Eventually, you will realize it is a good "different."

Thank you for putting this up, loved this article, she even has two Rumi videos I also have favorited.

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Doux Rêve
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posted June 21, 2012 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars parallel Neptune, but I think I can relate.

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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 24, 2012 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 24, 2012 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminisquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mars square neptune, thats interesting I'm studying art right now...
"Having this difficult aspect in your natal chart (conjunction, square, opposition) means to be born for creativity

" Master of creating the right atmosphere, of trans, ecstasy, almost as if he was seducing"

I usually express my sensuality through my art

"stubbornly stays trapped in this make believe image of her “self ” that isn’t growing in any way but is being glorified to sacredness as a example of idolizing and worshiping oneself"

a psychiatrist diagnosed me with npd when I was about 14

"it can lead to a schizophrenic hell and negative thoughts, a need to control others, submission, lead to psychoses, pathological lying, sociopathic disorders and so on ."

Yeah some of this resonates with me :O

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posted June 24, 2012 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the read, Venus I've dated a few Mars sq Neptune men, they were quite a trip.

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posted June 24, 2012 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blugrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 24, 2012 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay I read this article and it didn't really touch on the fact that Mars is a action oriented planet and when you take such a elusive planet as Neptune, it muddles the active and direct functions of Mars.

I have Aries Mars, but I am not assertive, I avoid any kind of conflict and have been told I am passive, all this boils down to my tight Mars-Neptune square. Mars is in my 3rd conjunct the IC and Neptune is in the 1st H.

Also it explains the type of men you attract or are attracted to. In my case its the men that I attract. They are usually artists/musicians that lack responsibility and are complete slackers and basically take advantage of my self-sacrificial kindness. Also I have Pisces Moon so this just heightens that.

I'm prone to really glamorizing people and see the ones I love through rose colored glasses. I fall in love so easily and ultimately get hurt so easily.

But I am starting to understand that if I build a solid ground for myself and hone in on my creativity (I started painting after 3 long years), and avoid musician slackers that suck all my wonderful qualities just perhaps I will beat my history of terrible boyfriends...

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posted June 24, 2012 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this is a beautifully written interpretation. I really enjoyed reading it... But I feel like perhaps it suits Mars/Neptune in masculine signs - fire or air?
The writer has it in Sagittarius and some of these are probably - in part - her own experiences.

Also - there were times where I was thinking to myself - "This sounds Libran - not Neptunian/Piscean."... and other times when I was thinking to myself... "This sounds like a Mercury/Neptune aspect - which would trigger the imagination - rather than Mars/Neptune which is present on a more physical level".

My Mars/Neptune conjunction in earth is just more practical. My brand of art - is being able to amaze people by putting together a complicated piece of 'build-it-yourself' furniture... in 5 minutes (without the use of instructions) loll

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posted June 24, 2012 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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''Unconcern for simple things, for everyday life designed by the medias, chatting with the neighbors, gossiping, shopping.''

Chatting with neighbours.. interest or disinterest in gossip... talent for writing --- this is allll Mercury's playground.. Not Mars.

I have Mars/Neptune conj and Mercury in Pisces. I am strongly and deeply interested in absolutely *everyone* and I don't treat anything trivially... so generally if a neighbour or friend or anyone at all - wanted to talk to me... whether it seems like small-talk or not - I would listen..
Sometimes things seem like small-talk - but the person is barring their soul to you... or sometimes people just need to talk - It might make their day better.
Since I lack air - I don't *like* this much ^
I could go my whole life as a mute - quite possibly..
But I often do it - because I am strongly interested in other people!! And want to make them comfortable!!

I wouldn't have thought Mars/Neptune would be caught up in their own world - and ignoring *others* (and their lives)..
That sounds like a personal sign Mercury ^^ to me...

When it comes to media trends.. Social Sign Mercuries would be ALLLL over media trends..
Again ^ a lack of interest in this - would be a personal sign Mercury.

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posted June 25, 2012 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Odette
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Chatting with neighbours.. interest or disinterest in
gossip...

I think this is an example of the most common "reality" lives,immediate surroundings; I confess to this,I couldn't care less about that,indeed amazing disinterest in stuff that are ...everyday.

@vertiver

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I have Aries Mars, but I am not assertive, I avoid any kind
of conflict and have been told I am passive, all this boils
down to my tight Mars-Neptune square. Mars is in my 3rd
conjunct the IC and Neptune is in the 1st H.

This is your H1 Nep - I am not passive or conflict-avoider

~ Guys,glad you like the read

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posted June 25, 2012 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars in Cancer in the 8th, opposite Uranus con. Neptune in Capricorn in the 2nd. I LOVED this article. I found I could relate to a lot of what the author said. The quotes below really apply to me.

"This aspect carries within so much sorrow, given as a pure gift, and still makes life impossible to live in the simple and real world."

"...because these people will never be WORKers but WARriors in this transcending space that others do not even suspect exists."

I have always had a really hard time focusing on the concrete. Uranus opposition my Mars also does not help. I can't deal well at all with routine. I can be aloof and too spontaneous. My art definitely has a Piscean flavor to it, and it is my outlet for anger and stress. When I am very angry because of my difficult relationships and family life i pour all of that into my art. People are very moved by it, since it's poetic and very confessional. But it can be exhausting allowing all of my pain to come out into art, yet it's a cathartic process so I force myself to create even when I am having doubts.

Interestingly the way I see this aspect causing me pain is how my Neptune in the 2nd is excellent for giving me income from my artistic ability, since it is also trine my MC, and I have already had a success with getting money from some of my works. My entire future is based around my artistic sense and unique ability to create. But I feel like my Neptune is ill-suited to deal with these relationships, 8th house matters, and can make my already strange encounters even stranger to me. I think people see me as very Neptunian which is what makes me attractive to them - a lot of people who I don't even know well will tell me a staggering amount of personal info and problems and it surprises me how much they'll trust me right off the bat. But my Neptune causes me more pain than happiness in 8th house matters.

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posted December 07, 2015 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New link: http://sanjaperic.com/2012/05/25/mars-and-neptun-the-doors-of-perception/

Water calms me down, I always shower to purify, wash myself of feeling hopeless anger.

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posted December 07, 2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was born when Mars 5GEM33 was opposite Neptune 0SAG09 (as well as Venus opp Neptune).

The mentions of imagination and creativity are on target. Mars as the action/direction planet in relation to wishful, dreamy, Neptune can allow poetic and artful self-expression. Otherwise, the person finds themselves too easily falling short in competition, too easily disappointed when aiming at results defined by outward definitions. Forget winning. Dance, drift, play with color, light, sound, and illusion.

In some ways it is the adventure of the mind and imagination waiting to take hold creatively.

In musical tastes I'm a metal head, but I prefer some space left for imagination in some of the heavy music I listen to like Insomnium: https://youtu.be/icqddnGuijs (listening to it now ...) or Dreamshade, or less heavy Within Temptation, or some of the symphonic metal like Epica or others.

If you have Mars-Neptune in strong aspects, but don't find comfort in music or art of some kind, as an active participant (Mars, doer) then you are likely to experience disillusionment or disappointment with life. My first therapy and long-term creative pursuit was writing songs/poetry starting age age 14. I've been doing it 31 years. Recently I wrote at least a poem a day for 25 days. I've started again and successfully completed my 2nd day in a row.

Last night I watched Punch Drunk Love, the movie starring Adam Sandler and Emily Watson (Phillip Seymour Hoffman supporting). There were these weird smudgy, blurring color collages used at times for transitions within the film sequences, but also at the end. I laid there in bed at the end staring at them imagining that I could paint with my fingers these small (8.5 x 11"?) spontaneous paintings full of color rapidly applied with a time limit (say 5 minutes). I realized I've never thought of myself as a painter or even an artist, but that's because it has come natural to sing, to write songs, write poetry. Why not paint?

Live to create. We all do, and if we don't we start dying inside.

Birth something alive with yourself into your life, a child, a painting, or many of them, and make it beautiful. What other way is there to live and be happy?

To be made in the likeness of the Creator is to be a creator.

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posted December 07, 2015 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To be made in the likeness of the Creator is to be a creator.

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EggsAckley,lol

Ty Kannon

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posted December 09, 2015 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon,

"Forget winning."


I am a Mars-domicile person, Neptune residing in the sign of Mars' exaltation. Adrenaline rush is strong with this one.

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posted December 09, 2015 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That's an interesting one.
I'm Aries with Mars conj Neptune in Cap and conj DC.

Me, if I was fighting for a cause:

Me, if I had to fight for myself, or just for the sake of 'winning':

Lol.. I just don't care enough... I feel like "Meh.. *You* can win.. Does anyone else want this golden cup with their name on it? 'Cause I have no use of it whatsoever..."

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posted December 10, 2015 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My Mars/Neptune conjunction in earth is just more practical. My brand of art - is being able to amaze people by putting together a complicated piece of 'build-it-yourself' furniture... in 5 minutes (without the use of instructions) loll

That's goooood.

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posted December 10, 2015 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars in 12H Virgo sq rxNeptune 4H. Lotta watery illusions/delusions/epiphanies in my head...
I have an extremely heightened imagination and can visualize the oddest things, quickly. I have no problems asserting my anger, feelings or thoughts; quite the opposite. Mars is conj Asc. I can't express my hatred enough for: mundane things, shopping in stores, neighbors and a life that is not exciting, everyday!!
Sometimes I don't live on this planet but somewhere in another galaxy where people can't reach me. I recall my mother telling me when I was little, that I needed to start "living on Earth". I had no clue what she was talking about then but now I do. Bless her Scorpio soul

In progressed chart I have Asc, Mars, Venus, Mercury in Virgo 12H square Neptune.

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posted December 10, 2015 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 10, 2015 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars opposite NeptuneRx and I'd say most of this resonates...


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Even though we are physically present we are not all “there”. What kind of worlds those are and spaces in between that we will discover; not from the outside, only when we go in – I do not know, I only know that I can see, hear and sense them. Let us be sucked into the whirlpool of those depths, which gives us energy only when we are dragged into it- and this is a creative energy. Because this is Creativity- to invent and not reproduce, paint something for the first time, write, play for yourself- meaning to compose. This is the aspect of a skill that cannot be taught or mastered. A skill that has always been there.
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This is an active imagination “ a magical space between thoughts and existence “. A space into which a person with a Mars/Neptune aspect enters. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes not, or she just finds an open window, a crack in the cave and enters it. The problem with those having a bad aspect is that they forget to exit it
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She doesn’t know where is the beginning or the end, since a person does not naturally believes in beginnings, endings and boundaries. This is why she chooses art, psychology or mysticism, because it is boundless. But then again, it is not the illusion then, while we are creating, not a wandering thought but the truth torn from the context and so true, that the search for the whole context seems like the only true mission, the only thing that matters.
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Imaginary, so called by people but in fact is Real and True.
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This aspect carries within so much sorrow, given as a pure gift, and still makes life impossible to live in the simple and real world. Unconcern for simple things, for everyday life designed by the medias, chatting with the neighbors, gossiping, shopping. How many times have ordinary people who see him as a wandering Odyssey pitied him. But people do not see what he carries within, only one side of him, dreamy and absent-minded who cannot focus on a normal conversation, who asks what no one else dare to ask, who over the years considers his home his temple, where he nurtures his energy and soul.
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To loose oneself in the wilderness of the imaginary only to find a sword then and there, or like me with my Mars/Neptune, two years ago while on a cruise, a knife at the bottom of the sea, – as if Mars/Neptune was whispering in your ear “now, dive in, head first to the bottom!” And so millions of people live with this aspect, not knowing when, but knowing that the right moment for that dive will come, and that they will either find themselves, or discover some new truth that will carry them into new battles, because these people will never be WORKers but WARriors in this transcending space that others do not even suspect exists.

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These are the ones that have first lost then found themselves, and now are helping others do the same. This is the sole mission and the greatness of this aspect, because people with this aspect go through the doors of perception alone. They know that they will not return the same, but forever changed- and that risk of not knowing whether they will return as someone who has known and seen the truth and found / saved themselves, or crippled with a shattered psyche, is what is worth of admiration, of this extraordinary Martian courage to let the man fly into realms outside of space, to places far away from the ones that we are used to, where he would be strong and powerful in the physical sense.

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posted December 11, 2015 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The link is not working for me. I wanna read it.

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