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Topic: is having a venus pluto in synastry too painful?
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intriguingineveryway Knowflake Posts: 51 From: USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted June 26, 2012 02:31 AM
what was your experience?i read some discounting it, but if it's in 0*, can you still deny the connection? i have it with someone right now, not that it is intimate, but i feel a strong pull. what more if we become intimate? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 1939 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 02:48 AM
Oh my, the synchronicity! I was just thinking about this.I currently have a connection with someone whose Pluto is on my Venus and I'm already feeling the effects.. & It doesn't help that I'm Plutonian. I find myself paranoid and obsessed already.. I kind of want to run away because I can feel myself slipping into "possessive mode" and it's just terrible. I have trust issues and they're coming out big time! And of course, the Venus person is the more smitten one, the one experiencing all the pain and longing.. at least that's what I've gathered from all the info. Gah! I hope someone will chime in and share their experience.. I'm not sure what to do at this point.. stay or run for my life while I can!
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intriguingineveryway Knowflake Posts: 51 From: USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted June 26, 2012 03:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Oh my, the synchronicity! I was just thinking about this.I currently have a connection with someone whose Pluto is on my Venus and I'm already feeling the effects.. & It doesn't help that I'm Plutonian. I find myself paranoid and obsessed already.. I kind of want to run away because I can feel myself slipping into "possessive mode" and it's just terrible. I have trust issues and they're coming out big time! And of course, the Venus person is the more smitten one, the one experiencing all the pain and longing.. at least that's what I've gathered from all the info. Gah! I hope someone will chime in and share their experience.. I'm not sure what to do at this point.. stay or run for my life while I can!
i am the pluto one in this venus conj pluto synastry. it feels like i am the one putting so much. ive decided to run. i should move on from it because i don't like how the effect of this synastry. i feel like i dont have any control. im not sure how this is affecting the venus person. the venus has 3 scorpio in sun, merc, and neptune. and i have a lot of pluto aspecting my planets. dont know but i dont like having no control and being obsessive. we also have mars sq pluto, sun sq pluto in this synastry. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 1939 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 03:31 AM
I have a Scorpio stellium and I am the Venus person.. and let me tell you.. *I* feel like I have no control ! Like I'm completely powerless. So chances are, the other person you're talking about feels something similar to you. Oh but the squares from Pluto are indeed a bit scary! They can be great for passion though. But too much control and power plays, certainly.. Anyway, I think you can both handle Pluto energy quite well. Maybe you should give it a try. It's bound to be a very transformative experience! Do you have any idea if they feel something for you? Cause if they do.. maybe you should go for it. Depending on other factors in the synastry, if there are good connections, it could lead to something very interesting.
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intriguingineveryway Knowflake Posts: 51 From: USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted June 26, 2012 03:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: I have a Scorpio stellium and I am the Venus person.. and let me tell you.. *I* feel like I have no control ! Like I'm completely powerless. So chances are, the other person you're talking about feels something similar to you. Oh but the squares from Pluto are indeed a bit scary! They can be great for passion though. But too much control and power plays, certainly.. Anyway, I think you can both handle Pluto energy quite well. Maybe you should give it a try. It's bound to be a very transformative experience! Do you have any idea if they feel something for you? Cause if they do.. maybe you should go for it. Depending on other factors in the synastry, if there are good connections, it could lead to something very interesting.
you feel powerless? me too. i don't like the feeling. how is the pluto with you? treating you? i feel the attention of the venus person for sure. venus being busy still would put my needs first, or the venus would be waiting for me or leaves work after i leave. i also feel the presence of being watched constantly, listened to with my conversation with others. but you as a scorpio, i'm sure you know how well you hide your feelings. i don't want to assume that there's something more. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 1939 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 04:08 AM
Well, my situation is different, because we already see each other one to one. I know he likes me physically, but I am scared I will fall in love and he won't. I don't want it to be just physical but so far I'm not sure he has feelings for me or if he ever will. That's why I'm hesitant. Cause on my part I am pretty sure I'm already falling.. and I need to know if he's got some feelings for me too. I don't wanna suffer heartbreak again.In your case, if you're not that close yet, that's tricky.. Cause I guess you don't communicate much? It'd be nice if you could at least become friends first or something, so that you could be in direct contact. IP: Logged |
intriguingineveryway Knowflake Posts: 51 From: USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted June 26, 2012 05:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Well, my situation is different, because we already see each other one to one. I know he likes me physically, but I am scared I will fall in love and he won't. I don't want it to be just physical but so far I'm not sure he has feelings for me or if he ever will. That's why I'm hesitant. Cause on my part I am pretty sure I'm already falling.. and I need to know if he's got some feelings for me too. I don't wanna suffer heartbreak again.In your case, if you're not that close yet, that's tricky.. Cause I guess you don't communicate much? It'd be nice if you could at least become friends first or something, so that you could be in direct contact.
how about asking him where he'll see you both months from now? in his response maybe you'll get an idea how he feels? how do you show your affections? with mine and the venus it's all doubts. maybe the venus and i just care about other people in general. there was a time i was leaving definitely, but he asked me to stay. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3147 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 05:41 AM
I have Venus Conjuct Pluto one way and Venus Trine Pluto the other way. My marriage is just wonderful. I don't know why all this talk about how challenging this aspect is.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 1939 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 06:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by intriguingineveryway: how about asking him where he'll see you both months from now? in his response maybe you'll get an idea how he feels? how do you show your affections?
I don't think I am ready for such a question. We don't live in the same city so we don't see each other that often, and that's mainly what makes me insecure. Because I don't know what he's doing while I'm away and if he's serious about me. I'm pretty straightforward, I hug him, we hold hands, kiss.. We're basically like a couple but I still have my doubts. quote: with mine and the venus it's all doubts. maybe the venus and i just care about other people in general. there was a time i was leaving definitely, but he asked me to stay.
If you feel like there's a connection then there probably is. What does his Venus do natally? If it's afflicted maybe he's afraid of showing his feelings. Or the intensity scares him, if he's airy. Could be a lot of things.
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: I have Venus Conjuct Pluto one way and Venus Trine Pluto the other way. My marriage is just wonderful. I don't know why all this talk about how challenging this aspect is.
Well, now that you're married of course it doesn't seem that challenging. In the first stages though, it's bound to be quite complicated because of the trust/power issues. Especially if the natal charts support it.
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 3414 From: Saturn-free H12 ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 08:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by intriguingineveryway: what was your experience?i read some discounting it, but if it's in 0*, can you still deny the connection? i have it with someone right now, not that it is intimate, but i feel a strong pull. what more if we become intimate?
My experience is that if the relationship is emotion-free : compulsive. If in love: it can get hurting,naturally,and badly,if course of relationship takes you that way; very raw and you feel under spell,but voodoo spell,very raw,very against your better judgement : there is always some perilous Pluto element: danger,"death wish" = you know person is not good for you,but you're still falling,you are feeling "bad" and it feels good etc. Not to mention if a girl is Venus,that at some point she is provoking the Pluto's attention in form of fantasy,or complex. If you want Venus/Pluto to be as operative as possible and fruitful,you'd need more easy aspects in synastry. No,I haven't been able to deny the 0 degree aspect,however,it never forces me into sentiment,rather it is in tune with my personality. (deep or superficial,the sentiment I am fully capable of) IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 1675 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 09:26 AM
My Pluto is conjunct my ex-soul-mate's Venus. Problem is, the Pluto of every other girl our age was conjunct his Venus. Too much competition, at the end of the day. But I guess my comment will only be applicable to school children. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3147 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 10:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Well, now that you're married of course it doesn't seem that challenging. In the first stages though, it's bound to be quite complicated because of the trust/power issues. Especially if the natal charts support it.
What trust/power issues? We agreed to get married in less than four weeks, and got married in less than 3 months. We've been married for 19 years now. I speak from practical experience. Why would we be married if we didn't trust each other?? We trust each other fully. It is a union of two strong individuals teamed up to kick a$$ against the rest of the world as one unified team. We don't have power issues with each other. We would stomp everyone else that stands in our way. She has absolute authority on all matters over the home and family life. I yield completely, except for the kitchen, which is my domain only because I'm the family cook. I have absolute authority over all matters relating to finances and my career. I'm the family breadwinner. She has control over the family money to meet household expenses and routine purchases. I handle the big ticket items, like houses, cars and education. Dangerous creatures mate. Crocodiles, cobras, tigers, spiders (well, the female spider eats the male after that). Two partners can be equally powerful and have a very loving marriage. Venus Conjunct Pluto being a bad aspect is total bunch of BS. Stop viewing relationships as a power struggle! IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 3414 From: Saturn-free H12 ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 11:22 AM
YTA,you may know your marriage,but that's hardly synonymous with knowing astrology. You can not thwart astrology conclusions with power-example of your marriage. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3147 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 11:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: YTA,you may know your marriage,but that's hardly synonymous with knowing astrology. You can not thwart astrology conclusions with power-example of your marriage.
No, but it also doesn't make astrology the absolute universal truth, does it? So, it speaks of generalities that are not applicable under each unique circumstance, doesn't it? I don't give two hoots about being knowledgeable about astrology if I just cast doubt over its credibility. It casts blanket sweeping generalizations and it should not be regarded as universal truth. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 3414 From: Saturn-free H12 ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 26, 2012 11:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: No, but it also doesn't make astrology the absolute universal truth, does it? So, it speaks of generalities that are not applicable under each unique circumstance, doesn't it?
No one claims astrology is universal truth. And trust/power issues is a starting point with Pluto in synastry. It may not be apparent,and it is still there. Maybe your marriage is an exception of the rule IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3147 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Perhaps. But note that there are also other "exceptions," including the Venus to Neptune thread. No, my marriage is not exceptional. Rather, there should be an investigation to what you guys hold so sacred as "rules."IP: Logged |
curiouswoman Knowflake Posts: 466 From: on earth Registered: Sep 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 12:14 PM
How would venus sq pluto in composite work?
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violet7887 Knowflake Posts: 724 From: maya Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 01:26 PM
I am now wondering what the effects of Venus inconjunct Pluto might be...Im not very knowledgeable about inconjuncts in synastry but I do have this in synastry with someone who I feel quite different about to put it simply.IP: Logged |
Thefish Knowflake Posts: 125 From: Registered: Apr 2012
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posted June 26, 2012 04:16 PM
venus conjunct pluto again can be bad or good depending on aspects, and the strength of the planets. It's certainly not going to lack passion that's for sure.IP: Logged |
Starry~* Knowflake Posts: 392 From: New York, USA Registered: Nov 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 04:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Oh my, the synchronicity! I was just thinking about this.I currently have a connection with someone whose Pluto is on my Venus and I'm already feeling the effects.. & It doesn't help that I'm Plutonian. I find myself paranoid and obsessed already.. I kind of want to run away because I can feel myself slipping into "possessive mode" and it's just terrible. I have trust issues and they're coming out big time! And of course, the Venus person is the more smitten one, the one experiencing all the pain and longing.. at least that's what I've gathered from all the info. Gah! I hope someone will chime in and share their experience.. I'm not sure what to do at this point.. stay or run for my life while I can!
In a pluto conj venus relationship: I wouldn't say I'm the more smitten one but I am the venus and he is pluto, and yes I'm very plutonian..infact my guy and I are both pretty damn plutonian. I think we're both smitten but in different ways. We have my Venus Conj his Pluto in scorp(tight) and also his Venus Conj my Neptune in cap(even tighter)..those two are completely different. I understand that we have insecurities from time to time, for fear of being hurt or losing that person. I've been through that. But it's not always one sided. For example, he is pluto and he went through a major phase where he was super insecure. This coming from a guy who was suppose to be a "laid back sag", so when I was insecure, he understands exactly how I feel without me having to explain myself and I am so grateful for that. But don't despair, Pluto/Venus is "strong" but it shouldn't hold you back from wanting to be with somebody. I think it's best to fix yourself first with these types of feelings. Pluto is suppose to be about tranformation, right? Like the "phoenix rising once again from the ashses". You should go with that mentality, that you as a human being, have the power to overcome anything. It's all about will power, some confidence and faith in yourself. Running away doesn't help solve problems, but having the strength to face it and deal with it will. With trust issues, my mentality has always been with this and my guy completely 200% agrees: Trust needs to be earned. It's a 5 letter word that takes a second to read, maybe an hour or so to explain but a lot more time to earn. Stand your ground girl, let them know if they want you then they need to work to build it. Now, this doesnt justify the fact that you can go and accuse him of things he didn't do. Just stand your ground and you will know if this person has earned your trust or not. You don't have to go out your way and bend over backwards always having to chase after them. I can be possessive at times, funny because I told my guy this yesterday and he said "ya, and demanding too at times, but it's ok, not like I don't know and can't handle it anyways" - there you go. But once it's proven to me then I let that stuff go and I'm okay. Build a brick house and we'll be good against the storm. Once you fix yourself, you will be ready to experience the great good of plutonian relationships. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 631 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 26, 2012 06:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Well, my situation is different, because we already see each other one to one. I know he likes me physically, but I am scared I will fall in love and he won't. I don't want it to be just physical but so far I'm not sure he has feelings for me or if he ever will. That's why I'm hesitant. Cause on my part I am pretty sure I'm already falling.. and I need to know if he's got some feelings for me too. I don't wanna suffer heartbreak again.
Doux Reve, I am going through the same thing. I am the Venus person too and I too wonder if it's just all about sex for him. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 631 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 26, 2012 06:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: I have Venus Conjuct Pluto one way and Venus Trine Pluto the other way. My marriage is just wonderful. I don't know why all this talk about how challenging this aspect is.
Sweet. Double whammy makes it definitely reciprocal. Lucky you!
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 631 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 26, 2012 06:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: What trust/power issues?We agreed to get married in less than four weeks, and got married in less than 3 months. We've been married for 19 years now. I speak from practical experience. Why would we be married if we didn't trust each other?? We trust each other fully. It is a union of two strong individuals teamed up to kick a$$ against the rest of the world as one unified team. We don't have power issues with each other. We would stomp everyone else that stands in our way. She has absolute authority on all matters over the home and family life. I yield completely, except for the kitchen, which is my domain only because I'm the family cook. I have absolute authority over all matters relating to finances and my career. I'm the family breadwinner. She has control over the family money to meet household expenses and routine purchases. I handle the big ticket items, like houses, cars and education. Dangerous creatures mate. Crocodiles, cobras, tigers, spiders (well, the female spider eats the male after that). Two partners can be equally powerful and have a very loving marriage. Venus Conjunct Pluto being a bad aspect is total bunch of BS. Stop viewing relationships as a power struggle!
Your entire post was very plutonian in a positive way. I liked it!
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starmoon Knowflake Posts: 138 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted June 26, 2012 07:06 PM
my bf and i have venus c. pluto both ways, and we are both very plutonian. i have scorpio rising and he has pluto in 1H. it makes the relationship extremely passionate, intense, and also obsessive. from my experience with this, i would say the venus person is initially obsessed by the attraction and desire to have the person in their life, and as the relationship progresses it is the pluto person who becomes more obsessed with the venus in general and takes the 'lead' in the relationship. this is a really hard aspect at times because of the intense pull to the other person, but i, for one see its benefits, especially when you have one partner with a more romantically 'cold' sign. for example, my bf has several planets, including venus, in Aqua and, if not for our 1 degree venus/pluto synastry he might have not been as interested in showing his feelings. i have a cap moon, which isn't very outwardly affectionate either, but this aspect has definitely helped us both be very romantic and outwardly affectionate, which is a good thing. pluto/venus can help an otherwise 'cold' planet placement, imoIP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 631 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 26, 2012 07:11 PM
starmoon, how can you two possibly have a Venus/Pluto conjunction BOTH WAYS if your partner has Venus in Aqua? You as the Pluto person would have to be as old as Mathusalem, lol, since the last time Pluto was in Aqua was around the time of the French Revolution (1789)!! IP: Logged | |