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12thhouser
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posted June 30, 2012 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question is: Is she interested in me, or does she despise me? (I'm still learning horary, so I could use all the help I can get, thanks!)

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posted June 30, 2012 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither. She's rather indifferent. Has other things to think about. She's also leaving you behind (separating from you). You on the other hand, love and hate her equally. Moon is Via combusta, some things are not what they seem. Moon doesn't make aspects, is separating from Sun. Makes me think it is kind of over and you should move on. You are aware of that since you are at the end of the sign but fearful to step in that direction.

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posted June 30, 2012 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Neither. She's rather indifferent. Has other things to think about. She's also leaving you behind (separating from you). You on the other hand, love and hate her equally. Moon is Via combusta, some things are not what they seem.

Thanks for responding, Hra.

I hate her? Um... lol, okay. Not sure hwo that shows up in the horary chart.

Would you mind elaborating on "Has other things to think about"?

Also, please elaborate on "Things are not what they seem"?

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posted June 30, 2012 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, I'm Mars, she's Venus (rulers). Mars is applying to Venus, not separating.

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posted June 30, 2012 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Hera said, she's indifferent to you and into herself to an extent. But I d0n't see things getting better for you. All the via c0mbusta and Mars m0ving into Libra; Venus' domicile and it's own detriment. Your feelings for her are likely to deepen or she'll end up with greater power over you, s0mething you w0n't like/detrimental to you. I'm n0t sure if the nn0de falls in the 1st in regio. If it does, it would bring s0me relief or a positive twist.

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posted June 30, 2012 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Thanks for responding, Hra.

I hate her? Um... lol, okay. Not sure hwo that shows up in the horary chart.

Would you mind elaborating on "Has other things to think about"?

Also, please elaborate on "Things are not what they seem"?

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Perhaps "hate" was too strong of a word. You're in her triplicity (you like her) but also in her fall. Check the essential dignity table please. Fall means strong dislike, resentment, hate, bad feelings overall. You both like her and not like her. This I have seen happening in unrequited stories, if the person does not return the feelings there is going to be some resentment. That can be you placed in her fall.

No, Mars does not apply to Venus. Mars is slower than Venus. Faster planets approach slower planets. She is faster, she is separating from you. She is moving on.

She has another suitor, Mercury. Mercury applies to sextile her. He is wooing her and she is under his rulership (she enjoys it) though he doesn't seem that into her as she is into him.

Things are not what they seem in Via combusta, where Asc and Moon are. It is considered unfortunate and may even rend the chart unreadable. I do read Via Combusta with a grain of salt, but usually means there are unpleasant things you don't know.

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posted June 30, 2012 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by depth:
As Hera said, she's indifferent to you and into herself to an extent. But I d0n't see things getting better for you. All the via c0mbusta and Mars m0ving into Libra; Venus' domicile and it's own detriment. Your feelings for her are likely to deepen or she'll end up with greater power over you, s0mething you w0n't like/detrimental to you. I'm n0t sure if the nn0de falls in the 1st in regio. If it does, it would bring s0me relief or a positive twist.

Indeed, once Mars moves into Libra his feelings will deepen and it will be quite detrimental for him, because from this chart it doesn't seem like she reciprocates his feelings.

It will bring you astray, 12houser, I am sorry. I know you daydream about her, you're in the house of hopes and dreams, you probably have plans for this relationship. I don't see them happening, unfortunately. You will find someone else, no doubt. Stay strong.

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posted June 30, 2012 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Perhaps "hate" was too strong of a word. You're in her triplicity (you like her) but also in her fall. Check the essential dignity table please. Fall means strong dislike, resentment, hate, bad feelings overall. You both like her and not like her. This I have seen happening in unrequited stories, if the person does not return the feelings there is going to be some resentment. That can be you placed in her fall.

No, Mars does not apply to Venus. Mars is slower than Venus. Faster planets approach slower planets. She is faster, she is separating from you. She is moving on.

She has another suitor, Mercury. Mercury applies to sextile her. He is wooing her and she is under his rulership (she enjoys it) though he doesn't seem that into her as she is into him.

Things are not what they seem in Via combusta, where Asc and Moon are. It is considered unfortunate and may even rend the chart unreadable. I do read Via Combusta with a grain of salt, but usually means there are unpleasant things you don't know.


Thanks for the follow-up.

Sorry, but Mars-Venus aspect is applying. I simply didn't include the aspects grid in the uploaded image. The grid shows it is applying with the little "A."

Also, Jupiter (my 5th house of romance) is in an applying conjunction to her (Venus), even though, yes, Mercury (ruling her 5th house of romance) is in applying sextile to her Venus.

Interestingly, Venus (her), Mars (me) and Jupiter (my romance) all form an applying as to each other.

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posted June 30, 2012 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Indeed, once Mars moves into Libra his feelings will deepen and it will be quite detrimental for him, because from this chart it doesn't seem like she reciprocates his feelings.

It will bring you astray, 12houser, I am sorry. I know you daydream about her, you're in the house of hopes and dreams, you probably have plans for this relationship. I don't see them happening, unfortunately. You will find someone else, no doubt. Stay strong.


Thanks, but....um, I don't daydream about her, lol.

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posted June 30, 2012 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Thanks for the follow-up.

Sorry, but Mars-Venus aspect is applying. I simply didn't include the aspects grid in the uploaded image. The grid shows it is applying with the little "A."

Also, Jupiter (my 5th house of romance) is in an applying conjunction to her (Venus), even though, yes, Mercury (ruling her 5th house of romance) is in applying sextile to her Venus.

Interestingly, Venus (her), Mars (me) and Jupiter (my romance) all form an applying as to each other.


You're welcome but it is not true about the applying aspects.
Venus is stationary, she was retro until 1-2 days ago. It *seemed* like she is coming back to you, like she would apply to you, but she changed course. She is fickle and unstable (see aspect to Uranus). She changed her mind and now she's SEPARATING from you. She is also separating from Jupiter too, because now she is in direct motion, moving away from jupiter who is too slow to keep up with her.

The only applying aspect is Mars to Jupiter but that is out of sign and doesn't count yet in this situation.

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posted June 30, 2012 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Thanks, but....um, I don't daydream about her, lol.


Okay lol ^_^ Thanks, it was a possibility

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posted June 30, 2012 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You're welcome but it is not true about the applying aspects.
Venus is stationary, she was retro until 1-2 days ago. It *seemed* like she is coming back to you, like she would apply to you, but she changed course. She is fickle and unstable (see aspect to Uranus). She changed her mind and now she's SEPARATING from you. She is also separating from Jupiter too, because now she is in direct motion, moving away from jupiter who is too slow to keep up with her.

The only applying aspect is Mars to Jupiter but that is out of sign and doesn't count yet in this situation.


Here's the aspect grid. Look at Venus-Mars. See the "A" for applying?

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posted June 30, 2012 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see it but it doesn't mean it's true. Let's try this another way..

Look at the ephemeris pls. Look at the direction Venus is going from now on.. It's 8, 9, 10.. 15 etc degrees Gemini. Now let's look at Mars.. 28, 29 deg Virgo, 0, 1, 2 etc Libra. Do you see them making a trine? No, because they are separating from each other.

The grind shows "A" for applying because Venus is stationary. Tomorrow it will say "S" from separating because Venus will speed up in direct motion. When planets change course direct/retro and viceversa, the aspect grind sometimes is left behind and can be confusing. Actually this is a good exercise, to project the horary chart in the future, see how the planets approach one another. Please be my guest to try it.

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posted June 30, 2012 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I see it but it doesn't mean it's true. Let's try this another way..

Look at the ephemeris pls. Look at the direction Venus is going from now on.. It's 8, 9, 10.. 15 etc degrees Gemini. Now let's look at Mars.. 28, 29 deg Virgo, 0, 1, 2 etc Libra. Do you see them making a trine? No, because they are separating from each other.

The grind shows "A" for applying because Venus is stationary. Tomorrow it will say "S" from separating because Venus will speed up in direct motion. When planets change course direct/retro and viceversa, the aspect grind sometimes is left behind and can be confusing. Actually this is a good exercise, to project the horary chart in the future, see how the planets approach one another. Please be my guest to try it.


I've seen the ephemeris on astro.com. You seem to want to ignore the grid. I made the chart for "today" not "tomorrow."

Thanks anyways.


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posted June 30, 2012 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They aren't applying. Venus and mars were mutually applying to each other but then Venus changed her mind. It's called refranati0n. And anyways, we've a powerful malefic Jupiter that would've prohibited the trine. And even if Jupe weren't there, the trine wouldn't have brought pleasant stuff because of the terrible recepti0n.

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posted June 30, 2012 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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They aren't applying. Venus and mars were mutually applying to each other but then Venus changed her mind. It's called refranati0n. And anyways, we've a powerful malefic Jupiter that would've prohibited the trine. And even if Jupe weren't there, the trine wouldn't have brought pleasant stuff because of the terrible recepti0n.

If you say so.

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posted June 30, 2012 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If you say so.

It's not just depth or me who says so. If other astrologers will chime in, you will hear the same thing.

But suit yourself, believe what you will. I tried to help, you didn't listen. Fine by me.

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posted June 30, 2012 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's not just depth or me who says so. If other astrologers will chime in, you will hear the same thing.

But suit yourself, believe what you will. I tried to help, you didn't listen. Fine by me.


I did listen. Thanks. If all else fails, I'll just chalk up our frictional interactions to whatever bad synastry there might be between us.

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posted June 30, 2012 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Application & Separation. First, remember that an aspect is said to be made by the faster of two planets, to the slower. Thus, Mercury at 5°30'Aries is applying in sextile to to Jupiter at 9°20' Gemini. Mercury would not apply to the Moon, though, because the Moon is faster. The Moon, being the fasts planet, almost always applies to all the other planets. Exceptions to this rule occur in the case of retrograde planets. It is best to check an ephemeris to see when and if a planet is slowing down, especially if you typically use a computer to calculate charts (as I do). It is very possible that what appears as an applying aspect in the computer-generated aspectarian will not reach perfection

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html

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posted June 30, 2012 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Application & Separation. First, remember that an aspect is said to be made by the faster of two planets, to the slower. Thus, Mercury at 5�30'Aries is applying in sextile to to Jupiter at 9�20' Gemini. Mercury would not apply to the Moon, though, because the Moon is faster. The Moon, being the fasts planet, almost always applies to all the other planets. Exceptions to this rule occur in the case of retrograde planets. It is best to check an ephemeris to see when and if a planet is slowing down, especially if you typically use a computer to calculate charts (as I do). It is very possible that what appears as an applying aspect in the computer-generated aspectarian will not reach perfection

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html
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If you read my previous post, I've let it go. Can I please ask the same of you? Thanks.

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posted June 30, 2012 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not a problem. When you cool off, please read the link I provided, or other ones of your choosing, I would hate to know I leave you clinging to erroneous horary principles.

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posted June 30, 2012 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Not a problem. When you cool off, please read the link I provided, or other ones of your choosing, I would hate to know I leave you clinging to erroneous horary principles.

I've been cool from the get go, actually, and I've already clicked and read the link. I'm familiar with those terms and definitions already. Thanks!

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