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Lioness
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posted July 02, 2012 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think women are more in tune with Venus/Moon aspects or whats considered feminine energy and Men are more in tune with Sun/Mars masculine energy?

Moon- women feel the emotions more
Venus- women feel the love more

Sun-Men feel the ego more
Mars- Men feel the actions/drive more


What do you think?

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posted July 02, 2012 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well stereotypically male vs female that makes sense. That is obviously something that people always say about females more emotional while men less so more assertive into the physical.

But I don't know....I know some pretty soft guys, maybe its there Moon square Nep lol well must be, but of course....thats a moon influence.
In my opinion I think it depends, it may just be used/expressed differently.

And sadly we are brainwashed from birth to think men should be emotionless basically...so it hard to tell.

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posted July 02, 2012 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good points!
I have a lot a masculine energy.. Being female with this much masculine energy is very challenging.. How do I express my true nature, but also stay feminine.. Is a problem I have had to deal with.

I forgot to mention in my original post in synastry/composite aspects..


Do you think women would be more intune with the emotional aspects and men in tune with the physical/ego aspects?

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posted July 02, 2012 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I guess I am really masculine if were going by stereotypical Moon/Venus= both of mine are in Gemini, whereas my Sun/ASC are very feminine.
I still think the ASC is a major player and the places it touches i.e Sun/Mars. Example; I know a guy whose Sun/Mars are in Aquarius and Sagittarius very masculine typically ,and he's in touch with his feminine side, he cooks for everyone; I am talking a mother's level of nurturing with both people and animals, a clean freak, he has cried openly in public, loves beautiful architecture and living spaces, basically Atypical feminine qualities but he's very masculine and has a ability to express stereotypical femininity.

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posted July 02, 2012 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea i think its true alot of times

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posted July 02, 2012 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well the Moon/Venus will indicate her feminine identity, Sun/Mars her masculine, animus. She can either take it on or project it. Usually women do both. Then when they have problems with men, look at their Sun/Mars cos they'll be attracting their nature to themselves, maybe in an unexpressed way. Like, use it or lose it. So you better use it well.

Men usually identify with Sun/Mars first, feminine side they express often in their artistic/leisure pursuits, and sometimes with the women, anima.

Some people are more balanced, in tune with both. Some sway more to one or the other due to personal issues/discomfort with portraying a certain role.

It depends, for example, my masculine pair is quite soft/docile/artistic, my feminine pair is quite hard nosed n tough. So when I feel like I'm asserting myself, I come across as quite tame, when I feel that I'm being receptive, I come across as intimidating. It's pretty funny actually.

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posted July 02, 2012 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Very good points!
I have a lot a masculine energy.. Being female with this much masculine energy is very challenging.. How do I express my true nature, but also stay feminine.. Is a problem I have had to deal with.

I forgot to mention in my original post in synastry/composite aspects..


Do you think women would be more intune with the emotional aspects and men in tune with the physical/ego aspects?



I think it could depend on the environment in which they were raised and what there placements are. Even though the moon is emotions and sun is ego, one can have a water sun and make them emotional/soft....but does that mean they are not in tune with their moon? They are expressing their sun....

Woo! I think this could be difficult to figure out

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posted July 02, 2012 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good insight everyone...

What about in synastry/Composite

Would the female feel the moon aspects before the guy..

The male feel the masculine aspects before the female?

Even if they have both energies...

Would the female be more in tune with the emotions of a relationship and the make in tune with the ego/drive of the relationships..

Maybe the female understands the emotions better than the physical and the male understands the physical aspects more than the emotional?

Women in general are more intune with emotions.. Women worry about feelings, and men worry about ego..
(generally speaking of course)

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posted July 02, 2012 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should prob know first how each is dealing with that respective luminary in their life, what house is it in natally, aspects, how are they working with it. I can't state unequivocally that the man will not respond to the moon first, because that's not been my experience, but you're right that's the stereotype, the standard female gripe. From my life, I've seen the man tuning into his Moon through me, wanting to be closer to me to be closer to himself sort of thing, and in the process making themselves quite vulnerable.

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posted July 02, 2012 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
You should prob know first how each is dealing with that respective luminary in their life, what house is it in natally, aspects, how are they working with it. I can't state unequivocally that the man will not respond to the moon first, because that's not been my experience, but you're right that's the stereotype, the standard female gripe.

YEah I get it...
Its hard to tell if men feel the emotions as much as the women do, or if there is some sort of delay on their side...
9/10 times its "appears" that the women has feelings, while the man does not..
Maybe they just deal with it better..
Who knows??
Maybe men can jump in and put in their input.

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posted July 02, 2012 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea I wish there were more men on the board.
I know there are more on astrodienst forum, if by chance you wanna post there..

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posted July 02, 2012 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think men feel emotions the same as women but we try not to dwell on them , so we just turn on the t.v XD

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posted July 02, 2012 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now there's a good standard male response.
Also the issue of 'overdoing it' is a good point.

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posted July 03, 2012 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still say the ASC plays a major role in expressing this aspects, everyone feels we just have different ways of expressing them.

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posted July 03, 2012 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm being serious, i think dwelling on emotions can make you miserable, atleast it does me.

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posted July 03, 2012 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i think men feel emotions the same as women but we try not to dwell on them , so we just turn on the t.v XD

LMAO.
Well I guess I have an answer

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posted July 03, 2012 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No man, I was agreeing. I got the serious bit

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posted July 03, 2012 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think men, including myself, are very emotional too. However, men were told not to display these values openly, as it isn't considered manly.

I can be very moody. I can cry after watching a movie and totally dazed when listening to a sentimental song.

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posted July 03, 2012 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think it can be confusing for alot of guys too, because alot of women supposedly want a man who is emotionally expressive but then will make fun of men who are.

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posted July 03, 2012 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I often wonder about this, too.

I think men get more in touch with their Moon/Venus when they are interested in a woman, when their feelings are awaken. That's when they are more in touch with their feminine side, but they often downplay it, and put their Sun/Mars forward instead.. cause ya know, they must appear masculine and stuff!

But, at the same time, I think men easily project their Moon/Venus onto women, especially if they receive oppositions from other planets. So, while they have this energy inside themselves, they often find women who'll play it out for them, a bit like women and their Sun/Mars.

But eh.. Most guys are emotional too. It's just that they're used to repress their feelings and "man up". I think society plays a big role in this phenomena.

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posted July 03, 2012 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don`t like stereotyping, BUT

generally speaking I have found that to be the case quite often with Venus and Mars, not so often with Sun and MOon. Might happen as well, but these seem to be too much ingrained in every person, too much of the core personality.


But apart from that, I Have found for example I am very much expressing my Mars myself (projection might still happen; could be both I guess).
But in my case Mars is conjunct the ASC, and therefore very much part of my identity, maybe that`s the reason.


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posted July 03, 2012 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About composite:
Yes I`ve read that theory.


But I don`t buy it. The composite is about the feelings, assertion etc of BOTH people as a partnership.

Imo the conjunctions to the natal charts are more indicative.

For example:
If someone has their natal Sun conjunct the composite Moon or Venus, they might be most in tune with the emotional vibe, no matter if they were male or female.


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posted July 03, 2012 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do my Mars too, it's not strong unless you count that it's the lead planet.
Hey Lioness, try what Ceri said, compare his natal to comp

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posted July 04, 2012 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. Male /female differences have always fascinated me, and I’ve actually studied the science of it quite a lot…

Please bear with me for a minute, I’m about to get kind of scientific, and I will comment on the astrology of it all later…

It’s been scientifically shown that there is a general difference between male brains and female brains… It has to do with what hormones the brain is exposed to at various different times of development in the womb…

Sometimes a person who is biologically female can be exposed to male hormones during certain periods of development and they can actually be a women with a masculine type brain… The reverse is also true… Some men due to the their prenatal hormonal exposure can have more of a female style of brain…

The majority of us humans, though, wind up with brains that are primarily the same as our body type, either male or female. But even then there are some interesting variations…

Different parts of the brain develop during different stages of pregnancy… So the time when you develop your spatial orientation abilities, may be different from when you develop your speech abilities… And during each of these phases the hormonal cocktail we are exposed to is different, giving us our unique combination of skills and personality…

One example of this is verbal ability. Verbal ability is strongly associated with a ‘female’ type of brain… The typical ‘male’ brain is said to have strong spatial, motor control abilities, and not to be very verbal… The typical strong but silent type… However, depending on when his brain was exposed to male hormones while in the womb, some biological men are very verbose even if the rest of their brain/personality is actually quite ‘masculine’…

WHY MOST MEN SEEM LESS EMOTIONAL THEN WOMEN

Another key difference between male and female brains is how modal they are… Women tend to have brains that are more flexible in terms of what they are concentrating on at any given moment… A women’s brain can jump from one topic to another at lightening speed, and she is usually better at multitasking then a man. For example, she can cry about her break up, while chopping carrots, and talking to her friend , all at the same time…

Men are not like this… Men have brains that are made to focus on one thing at a time. They tend to be either doing one thing or another, not several things all at once… They are also more stubborn when trying to fix a problem, and less likely to get frustrated and abandon it… Men’s brains also tend to be very goal oriented… They may see problems in life as situations to be ‘fixed’ and will focus on this ‘fixing’ part rather then having an emotional break down and crying about it… This part of the male brain profile can make them seem unfeeling.

They are not.

Most men actually have a higher physical crying threshold then women… A man has to be very, very upset or touched, before he will shed actual tears… In comparison to a women, who on a physical level find it much easier to cry… The result of this that a man can actually be very emotional with out showing any tears, where as a women would be blubbering with the exact same level of emotion…. Men’s bodies simply do not easily produce tears.

THE ASTROLOGY OF IT

I think that people with strongly ‘masculine’ style brains are more likely to be very in tune with the qualities of Mars and the Sun astrologically… Most of these people will be men, with a few exceptions…

And people with ‘feminine’ brains will primarily identify with the qualities of the Moon and Venus, and most of these people will be women, with also a few exceptions…

I feel it’s a role playing thing as well… The Sun, Moon, Venus, and Mars show our preconceived notions about what is ’fitting’ or desirable behavior for the different genders. They show our mental concepts of men and women.

Women may identify more with the Moon and Venus in sense that they see the qualities of their natal Moon and Venus as examples of desirable qualities for a women to have. If they have Venus in Scorpio… They will see emotionally complex, enigmatic, influential women as a very attractive feminine ideal to aspire to. They may emphasize this part of themselves in relationship to men, and in any situations where they feel the need to live up to their internal images of what it means to be a ‘women‘. But, they’ll still have their Mars and the Sun sign characteristics as part of their personality too… A women with Mars in Capricorn is still driven, and no-nonsense in her attitude to getting things done…..However, she’ll also see it as the man’s ‘job’ to be responsible, and to ‘take charge’ of things with a practical attitude.

Likewise, the Moon and Venus can show a man’s impressions about women in general, while still being a part of his own personality. But if a guy has Mars in Aries, he may see it as his role to be an assertive go-getter as a man, and will aspire to these qualities and play them up when around women. Or in any situation where he feels he has to live up to his internal image of what a ‘man’ should be… And if this guy has Venus in Aquarius, yes he’ll be friendly and open and all of that… But he’ll also see it as the women’s ‘job’ to be a little quirky and unusual somehow.

This role playing thing seems to happen unconsciously. Most of us don’t objectively decide to act out according to our gender preconceptions… It’s instinctive, and maybe even biological.

I’m a Capricorn Sun, Mars in Leo, and I can totally feel those placements as part of me… And I can also see how my Sun and Mars have influenced my projections, and mental images about men in general. My Leo Mars is attracted to the fiery class clown type, but my Capricorn Sun needs a guy to have his act together as well.

I’ve got the Moon in Cancer and Venus in Sagittarius, and I can see how my images of how a women should be are influenced by this… I like women who are sensitive, and kind hearted, as well as ones who have strong morels, integrity, and a positive attitude. I try to be this way myself.

So yeah, the Sun, the Moon, and Venus and Mars, tend to have to do with the role playing that we do when it comes to dealing with the opposites sex… They show how we demonstrate our attractiveness to them during the courtship phase especially.

The Sun/Moon paring seems to show what women and men need to feel from each other in order to feel secure and safe in the relationship. And the Mars/Venus pairing seems to show the extra goodies about the opposite sex that we find exciting. It works the same way with role playing.

I’ll use my Cancer Moon to make people (especially men) feel safe and get them to trust me, and my Sagittarius Venus to emphasize what I see as most exciting about myself.

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posted July 04, 2012 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOw Lotis that was just a great post!
I wowed here...

Yes Im with you on so many levels here..

I posted this not as a question about one person, but in general "men" seem to not feel things that women are feeling..

"In general when boy meets girl"
Boy shows attraction to girl.. Girl plays hard to get.. Girl gets feelings, boy says Why did you get feelings???????????????????

I know men have feelings, not once would I suggest they dont... It just seems to be a delay (or its perception) Men take a longer time to get feelings for a women, than a woman does..
Women are just more emotional, and understand our feelings more..

Men feel things and they push it away and let it go...
Its funny how "different" it plays out in the two sexes.

I wonder if I have the "male" brain
I feel very deeply, very intense feelings.. BUT I rarely show any emotions and Im not comfortable doing so.. It does take me along time to show emotions..

My venus in Cancer is a singleton its in H4. So its very very very "cancer" and plutoish
Venus sq pluto
I can be so giving, but not with out a fight.. I wont show my cancer side to just any one...

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