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Milkyshutter
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posted July 03, 2012 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes when observing a natal chart, I noticed a planet is totally disconnected , aka unaspected planets. This has always been rather tricky. How do you interpret this? Do you have such planet in your natal chart?

Are they more pure as they haven't been altered by other planets, thus stronger? Or, are they weaker force? Also, how does it differ if it is an inner planet or an outer planet when unaspected?

Recently I came across a page at astrotheme.com. This is what other astrologers comment regarding their views.

"Astrologers have observed that when such case occurs, the person feels the energy of the unaspected planet in quite a singular way, very jerky and powerful at the same time. Thus, for instance, the famed astrologer Jean-Baptiste Morin de Villefranche wrote that "an unaspected planet heralds that something strange or extraordinary will take place regarding the meanings of the house in which the said planet is posited" (source : l'astrologie selon Morin).

Other astrologers, such as Dane Rudhyar and Alexander Ruperti, explain that unaspected planets bring about more freedom to the people having them in their natal chart, with all its potential danger as well as with all its qualities and forces. The principle of the "wild horse" is often mentioned by most authors in this regard, because the unaspected planet is left to its own devices and can unleash its full power without any limitation. Numerous astrologers have expressed their opinion (Geoffrey Dean, Evangeline Adams, Moore, C.E.O. Carter, Grant Lewi, Bill Tierney, Janis Huntley, Bernard Crozier, etc.). Although their different experiences do not yet allow in the 21st century to decide how unaspected planets should be exactly interpreted, there are nonetheless very interesting common points that must be taken into consideration in order to fine-tune the analysis and interpretation of the natal chart."

Well, it's still very vague for my taste.
Please share your views!

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posted July 03, 2012 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unaspected Uranus h2.

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posted July 03, 2012 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an unaspected Libra Sun in the 10th house.

I'm extremely creative, imaginative, and artistic and want to do this for my job, my MC is my Karmic ASC so career is a huge focus for me... and the Sun lacking aspects as you said, makes being creative a huge part of me and a natural part of my life.

I do agree, peregrine planets are very special but I think it's more evident when its a personal planet, versus generational.

I think the wild horse comparison is totally appropriate as well. Because unaspected Sun has also made some people who are very mean or insecure dislike me, since a lot of people gravitate towards me and naturally give me respect and attention. To me, Sun lacking aspects is a little like Leo Sun when it tries to seem extremely strong and forthright but one big issue is that, it can also make you deep deep down feel very alone and sometimes lost, about your true identity. For me this is true since my Sun, representative of masculinity and the father, lacking aspects shows that I was always my own rock and support since my dad was flighty in my childhood.

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posted July 03, 2012 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I have an unaspected Libra Sun in the 10th house.

I'm extremely creative, imaginative, and artistic and want to do this for my job, my MC is my Karmic ASC so career is a huge focus for me... and the Sun lacking aspects as you said, makes being creative a huge part of me and a natural part of my life.


You attribute this solely on your unaspected sun?

You also mentioned that deep down you feel insecure. Check this website. Could you relate? http://innerself.com/content/self-help/personal-growth/astrology/planets/3854-unaspected-planets.html

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posted July 03, 2012 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have unaspected chiron in 8th

Thnx for the thread, I think I should find the meaning of it more .

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posted July 03, 2012 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an unaspected Venus. I can relate to the link you provided. Yeah, I am insecure in everything Venus but it's still what I want most. Unasp planets are said to run with the chart. In my case Venus got the ruling hand on my career. I could have done other types of surgery but chose plastics. On the other hand I am on the fence about that for myself... I will probably have no peace until I get it done on myself. Venus forms a duet with Chiron and that makes sense..

On the other hand, an unasp planet can go each way it pleases. I actually identify with various Venus-planet aspects which I obviously don't have. It can go trine, opposition, square, conjunction etc to anything out there.. This makes me hard to understand even to myself because I have different facets which are neither technically mine but they also are.. It is a bit of a paradoxical situation.. I seem unstable sometimes because I can shift between then as I see fit. If I feel like Venus trine Jupiter, I indulge until I am blue in the face, I can be such a hedonist sometimes. Venus sq Pluto, sure, a bit of drama and obsessing didn't hurt nobody. Or maybe it did. I dressed as a sexy vampire at a costume party. Venus conj Uranus, hell yeahhh! Love my freedom and have a thing for unavailable types though I am unavailable myself tbh. Venus sextile Neptune, yeah, I know all the soulmate links and rules and think I met mine every time I meet a nice dude. Venus-Mercury? We can talk love all night long or read romance novels, whatever. Smth like a shapeshifter, only on Venusian goods. You get the point.

It didn't hit me at the time as to why, but I identified with this song, despite not being all that mutable - Whitney Houston - I'm every woman]

The thing you want most but also your blindest spot. I never saw myself as beautiful or lovable. But had people to tell me those things. They could see it in me but I couldn't see it in myself. I never thought I was good at arts, played piano and thought I sucked but got an award for it (nothing major though). My relationships suck but I give great advice lol. Etc. As I said, a lot of the way I experience my Venus has a hint of Chiron because I cannot really separate the 2. Both being unaspected, they're glued together.

I think the key to solving my Venus-Chiron unaspected fiasco is ultimately self love. But that will probably take forever.

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posted July 03, 2012 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This made me think of a link I was reading last night. I think it has more to do with a planet that is the only element in your chart (ex: You are air dominant with a water mars) but I think it can be interpreted the same way. The lonely/unaspected planet, depending on what sign, element, or house it's in, can represent the trait of yourself you unconsciously express or the one you have the LEAST control over. Your more dominant planets/elements are what you are comfortable with and aware of. Or it can be the other way around, I could be wrong. But here's this link.
http://thezodiac.com/guess.htm

If it has nothing to do with the topic, you may disregard my entire post.

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posted July 03, 2012 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Milkyshutter:
You attribute this solely on your unaspected sun?

You also mentioned that deep down you feel insecure. Check this website. Could you relate? http://innerself.com/content/self-help/personal-growth/astrology/planets/ 3854-unaspected-planets.html


Yeah, I also contribute it to being very Lunar and also, having other aspects that indicate an obsession with the arts and writing.

I totally relate to the author's words on the peregrine Sun. Especially this part. "In this way, a child with an unaspected Sun can manifest itself very powerfully, pretty domineeringly even, and in a way that doesn't leave much room as an adult. At the same time, the child will often feel unsure and won't be aware of his or her behavior. So, if, as a parent, we give a child extra attention and try to develop self-confidence, he or she will unconsciously behave even more domineeringly, and can then start sucking up all the attention. This can easily happen at the expense of other children, or lead to unpleasant situations, such as when many adult family members come to a birthday party for one of the parents, and the child turns out to dominate the entire atmosphere..."

Someone in my family who is insecure actually hates me and wishes I wasn't around because they feel other family members automatically do what I want and spend too much time with me. But I'm very lost because I have NO control over why my family gravitates towards me and treats me with a strange natural authority. It just is. I'm actually a pretty compassionate person most of the time, and I don't even act as demanding and snotty as she does, never could. I have a natural light - there's the Sun coming out in my chart - and she doesn't... I was basically the light of everyone's lives growing up, and when this person who hates me had her own family she became extremely jealous that people still focused on me and not her family.

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posted July 03, 2012 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
This made me think of a link I was reading last night. I think it has more to do with a planet that is the only element in your chart (ex: You are air dominant with a water mars) but I think it can be interpreted the same way. The lonely/unaspected planet, depending on what sign, element, or house it's in, can represent the trait of yourself you unconsciously express or the one you have the LEAST control over. Your more dominant planets/elements are what you are comfortable with and aware of. Or it can be the other way around, I could be wrong. But here's this link.
http://thezodiac.com/guess.htm

If it has nothing to do with the topic, you may disregard my entire post.


Good point!

I agree, you can fluctuate between really, REALLY embracing the planet and the sign its in, to feeling depressed like the planet and the nature of it (house its in) is not accessible to you... even if it is. I often feel like I don't do well enough creatively but can seem obnoxiously Leonine at times when I talk about how excellent my art is... I'm not a braggart but I almost HAVE to talk about it with others, to really convince myself I'm worthy and a good artist. And I always have an inferiority complex, in some weird way. I hide it well but I actually try to beat others out to prove my own self-worth, but in a friendly way; Libra fights fair.

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posted July 03, 2012 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dang...different time zone. Sorry couldnt respond faster. Im looking at some great article. Hera thanks for sharing your story. I need some time to reflect/relate. Nevertheless, you have my undivided attention.

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posted July 03, 2012 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Yeah, I also contribute it to being very Lunar and also, having other aspects that indicate an obsession with the arts and writing.

I totally relate to the author's words on the peregrine Sun. Especially this part. "In this way, a child with an unaspected Sun can manifest itself very powerfully, pretty domineeringly even, and in a way that doesn't leave much room as an adult. At the same time, the child will often feel unsure and won't be aware of his or her behavior. So, if, as a parent, we give a child extra attention and try to develop self-confidence, he or she will unconsciously behave even more domineeringly, and can then start sucking up all the attention. This can easily happen at the expense of other children, or lead to unpleasant situations, such as when many adult family members come to a birthday party for one of the parents, and the child turns out to dominate the entire atmosphere..."

Someone in my family who is insecure actually hates me and wishes I wasn't around because they feel other family members automatically do what I want and spend too much time with me. But I'm very lost because I have NO control over why my family gravitates towards me and treats me with a strange natural authority. It just is. I'm actually a pretty compassionate person most of the time, and I don't even act as demanding and snotty as she does, never could. I have a natural light - there's the Sun coming out in my chart - and she doesn't... I was basically the light of everyone's lives growing up, and when this person who hates me had her own family she became extremely jealous that people still focused on me and not her family.


That is most interesting article. Is the term "uninvited guest" widly used? My first time hearing it.

By Richard Idemon's definition, then I do have an uninvited guest in my chart which is Uranus. That's the only water planet I have. Many people told me that I'm eccentric. In fact, I hear it almost all the time. Also, having Uranus in Scorpio, I tend to "stir Scorpios up" more easly. I usually have the upper hand when dealing with them, too. Could it bebecause of my wicked Uranus??

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posted July 03, 2012 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
The thing you want most but also your blindest spot. I never saw myself as beautiful or lovable. But had people to tell me those things. They could see it in me but I couldn't see it in myself. I never thought I was good at arts, played piano and thought I sucked but got an award for it (nothing major though). My relationships suck but I give great advice lol. Etc. As I said, a lot of the way I experience my Venus has a hint of Chiron because I cannot really separate the 2. Both being unaspected, they're glued together.

I think the key to solving my Venus-Chiron unaspected fiasco is ultimately self love. But that will probably take forever.


Very enlightening , Hera. I strangely relate to your story. The thing is my Mars is unaspected. However, he is suppose to be the chart ruler because I have Aries ascendant. It's strange to say, but sometimes I feel I'm not man enough? Yet, when I look at my actions I'm quite bold. My mars energy is usually subdued, however, when it explodes it burst with energy that I cannot fully control....

Do you feel somewhat that way with your Venus?

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posted July 03, 2012 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Milkyshutter:
That is most interesting article. Is the term "uninvited guest" widly used? My first time hearing it.

By Richard Idemon's definition, then I do have an uninvited guest in my chart which is Uranus. That's the only water planet I have. Many people told me that I'm eccentric. In fact, I hear it almost all the time. Also, having Uranus in Scorpio, I tend to "stir Scorpios up" more easly. I usually have the upper hand when dealing with them, too. Could it bebecause of my wicked Uranus??


The uninvited guest... I like the term for it, but it can seem a little harsh to me. I would be kinder to your Uranus, since it was that way for you for a reason even if it can be a thorn in your side now and then! I'm a strong believer of fate. My Sun has given me both joys and sorrows, tight relationships and followers without trying but very evil, malicious enemies even in my own family who are jealous of my light and kindness. Your Scorp Uranus, the Singleton of your chart, could easily make you have that electric connection with Scorpio people...It's a good deduction you made about your Uranian energies going wild, and stirring up other Scorpio people. It very well could be that.

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posted July 03, 2012 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
The uninvited guest... I like the term for it, but it can seem a little harsh to me. I would be kinder to your Uranus, since it was that way for you for a reason even if it can be a thorn in your side now and then! I'm a strong believer of fate. My Sun has given me both joys and sorrows, tight relationships and followers without trying but very evil, malicious enemies even in my own family who are jealous of my light and kindness. Your Scorp Uranus, the Singleton of your chart, could easily make you have that electric connection with Scorpio people...It's a good deduction you made about your Uranian energies going wild, and stirring up other Scorpio people. It very well could be that.

Thank you for the advice. Well, my uranus is also unaspected, if we exclude quincunx out of the picture. But, thank you for sharing the link. That was most informative!

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posted July 03, 2012 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Milky No problem! I like talking about this topic in particular. It is fun to explore since it hits close to home.

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posted July 03, 2012 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Very enlightening , Hera. I strangely relate to your story. The thing is my Mars is unaspected. However, he is suppose to be the chart ruler because I have Aries ascendant. It's strange to say, but sometimes I feel I'm not man enough? Yet, when I look at my actions I'm quite bold. My mars energy is usually subdued, however, when it explodes it burst with energy that I cannot fully control....

Do you feel somewhat that way with your Venus?


Yeah, I guess.. What sign is your Mars? In my case, Venus makes aspects to angles (trine Asc, opp MC) so maybe that's why I eventually learned to access her at will.

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posted July 03, 2012 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milkyshutter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah, I guess.. What sign is your Mars? In my case, Venus makes aspects to angles (trine Asc, opp MC) so maybe that's why I eventually learned to access her at will.

I have my mars in leo and its retrogade

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posted July 03, 2012 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohhh... RX complicates it even more..

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posted July 04, 2012 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uninvited element. Air.

Spoiled only child. Uranus. Only planet in mutable. I am also a real life spoiled only child.

Superior function. Earth or water.

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posted July 04, 2012 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Uninvited element. Air.

Spoiled only child. Uranus. Only planet in mutable. I am also a real life spoiled only child.

Superior function. Earth or water.


Huh? I thought you had siblings. You compensate for lacking air with planets in air houses, like Sun and Venus in 7H. But Uranus is tough, being unasp and intercepted ruler.. hard to access.

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posted July 04, 2012 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Huh? I thought you had siblings. You compensate for lacking air with planets in air houses, like Sun and Venus in 7H. But Uranus is tough, being unasp and intercepted ruler.. hard to access.

I have half siblings. Do they count? Lol! I think my psychological temperament is too much that of an only child it makes much more sense to answer that when I can like my younger brother answering eldest.

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posted July 04, 2012 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol! and yes, they count!

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posted July 04, 2012 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want a psychiatrist lol! With a leather couch!

That might sound random so idk! Lemme trace back my Uranus leaping thoughts..

On another now defunct astro forum someone mention Leo di caprio being a textbook only child of divorce and I remember even making a thread on it somewhere here and I'm re reading on the psychology of it again now which makes me wish I had a shrink that knows all these stuff! Not the listen to me type but the human encyclopedia type.

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posted July 04, 2012 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Therapy is pretty great and of amazing help if you find a good therapist. Given that u're growth oriented might consider it (for real). Sry have a degree in psy but I suck and am not a human encyclopedia not to mention I'm hardly obj regarding you.

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posted July 05, 2012 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Therapy is pretty great and of amazing help if you find a good therapist. Given that u're growth oriented might consider it (for real). Sry have a degree in psy but I suck and am not a human encyclopedia not to mention I'm hardly obj regarding you.

I want a lady therapist! Trouble! maybe a scorpio merc. But what I really want is sort of a computer that talks back lol!

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