posted July 07, 2012 05:16 AM            

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So with Pluto returning to Capricorn next year, and reaching its natal position of 28 Capricorn in 15 years time, America is about to complete its first full Pluto cycle as a Democracy. It seems to me that the system was very well thought through and in many ways works well. I like, for example, the fact that Senators are only elected every 6 years. This means they have the leisure to take a considered, long-term view, without having to worry all the time about responding to changeable public opinion. And I also like the fact that members of the House of Representatives are re-elected every 2 years. This means that in an urgent situation such as Iraq, where the national self-interest is being harmed by an intransigent President, the situation can be addressed relatively quickly via the ballot box.

But there is also this huge mistrust, which Pluto in Sag has revealed and heightened, and which I think Pluto in Capricorn is likely to address – gradually, culminating around 2022 as Pluto reaches its natal position. What form this will take is anybody’s guess.

Revolutionary activity began in America long before 1776. It started around 1760, with Pluto in late Sag conjunct the Galactic Centre, which is what we have now. So the Revolution itself was the outcome of Pluto’s journey through Capricorn over about 16 years, having been seeded by Pluto’s conjunction to the GC. When the time was ripe, Uranus joined in, and the USA was born.

It might be worth asking: is the current level of antipathy and mistrust towards the US government comparable to that felt towards the British in the run-up to 1776?

What, I wondered, might be going on around 2022, when the US has its Pluto return?

First of all, the Presidency itself has a transit of Uranus conjoining the MC in 2023.

The US Sibly Chart has Prog Uranus conjunct Prog MC in 2023-4.

The Sibly also has a converse Prog Pluto, Moon and MC conjunction in 2024, all around 25 Cap, near the degree of natal Pluto, and within 1/2 a degree of each other. (Converse Progressions are calculated by going backwards a day for a year instead of forwards, and they can indicate conditioning from the past that is influencing the current situation.) With the MC signifying the government, this converse line-up suggests that around 2024 the US government will be experiencing a shake-up that was inherent in its founding.

The 2 July 4pm chart has a natal Moon conjunct Pluto (the chart ruler) in Capricorn, and in 2022 this chart will have Prog Moon conjunct Prog Pluto.

The list seems to just keep running. There is going to be a big shake-up, some fundamental re-thinking of the way America is governed, around 2022/3, and there will be a long process between now and then to get to there.

Other charts also say something similar. The chart for the Federal Constitution in 1787 has a conjunction of Prog Uranus, MC and Moon in 2023-4. In 2020/1, Prog Neptune conjoins Prog ASC.

The Presidential inauguration chart for 2021 has Pluto conjunct MC at 26 Capricorn. And a LOT of tension: Sun, Saturn, Jupiter conjunction all square to a Moon, Mars, Uranus conjunction. Also Sun conjunct Pluto, Moon square Pluto.

The inauguration chart for 2025 (assuming there still is a President by then) has Sun conjunct Pluto conjunct MC opposite a Mars-IC conjunction. So these Presidents won't be having an easy time of it.

The thing about Progressions is that they take centuries or even thousands of years to repeat themselves (except the Moon). If we were dealing with transits, we could more easily say oh, this is a cycle the US has been through before. But with progressions, we are encountering something entirely new, partly because America is a young country. For example, the US Sibly Prog Mars went retrograde for the 1st time ever in 2006, and will remain so until 2087: and what we may be seeing, via Iraq, is a long-term military reversal - the first ever - for the USA.

So with all these Progressions around Pluto, Uranus, the MC and the Moon ganging up in 2022/3, we are likely to see something completely new come into being, a whole new phase, a reformed governmental system. And it's likely that the process is beginning around now.

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U.S. Sibly directed chart for its Pluto return, 27'32 Cap

For comparison its current directed chart,

posted April 22, 2015 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
So with all these Progressions around Pluto, Uranus, the MC and the Moon ganging up in 2022/3, we are likely to see something completely new come into being, a whole new phase, a reformed governmental system. And it's likely that the process is beginning around now.

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posted April 22, 2015 07:48 PM            

The East India Tea Co was the main culprit last time. I cream think Of several currently

posted August 03, 2016 07:50 AM            

He is likely to end any conflict related to USA in Middle East and focus on boosting incomes of the top 1% within, hoping for a trickle down effect on the economy. I will not be surprised if he also devalues the US Dollar and boosts exports from the US. Will this stop other problems like racism, crimes against women and curbing of freedoms which we take for granted? I think not.

But WW3 need never occur.

posted August 03, 2016 05:38 PM            

But Trump has said we should give nukes to Saudi Arabia and just today it was revealed that

"Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on the international level went to advise Donald Trump. And three times [Trump] asked about the use of nuclear weapons. Three times he asked at one point if we had them why can't we use them..."

He is a vile, hateful, narcissistic, probably sociopathic, racist, misogynistic, nativistic, nationalistic, stupid, and dangerous megalomaniac.

And I'm being polite. It is not just the stupidity combined with narcissism and hatefulness, it is his complete lack of desire to learn anything about the world that scares me to death.

posted June 08, 2022 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
IMHO, Trump is not the Warlord Type.
He is a Real Estate Magnate without business ethics. He has a very close relationship with Putin and Russian Oligarchs, and he clearly said he is not going to bother about NATO.

He is likely to end any conflict related to USA in Middle East and focus on boosting incomes of the top 1% within, hoping for a trickle down effect on the economy. I will not be surprised if he also devalues the US Dollar and boosts exports from the US. Will this stop other problems like racism, crimes against women and curbing of freedoms which we take for granted? I think not.

But WW3 need never occur.

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posted June 08, 2022 04:23 PM            

This one isn’t behind a registration requirement.

posted June 08, 2022 04:31 PM            

“ Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans are now rushing to pass legislation to protect Brett Kavanaugh

But when it comes to 19 little kids and 2 teachers who were mutilated beyond recognition, they couldn’t care less

Says it all, doesn’t it?” http://twitter.com/lindyli/status/1534591643516534786

“ Lesson of the pandemic: most people fear social death more than actual death.” http://twitter.com/SeirdNavNnac/status/1534504348759298048

The teacher in Uvalde, who lost all eleven students to the shooter. 😔 this had me sobbing again.
http://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1534381709084565504

“ This is heartbreaking and powerful

posted June 20, 2022 08:11 PM            

17 states tell Supreme Court they support Texas bid to reverse Biden win

posted June 20, 2022 09:01 PM            

1. The whole Texas GOP platform is insane but the piece that jumped out to me was the endorsement of a state-level electoral college, eliminating one person-one vote in favor of a system they could gerrymander so that the votes of white rural Republicans will count more.

2. This is not the first time this has come up. Not long ago a Colorado GOP governor candidate offered such a plan; an analysis found it would give 2,000 voters in three rural counties twice as many electoral votes as 761,000 voters in three urban counties.

3. This is a road test: Does the base like this? How much blowback does it get? Based on the results, more and more Republicans will probably start advocating the same thing in their states.

4. The GOP is now in a stage of radical experimentation. They're feeling so empowered that they're throwing around ideas that two years ago they'd never have spoken aloud because they're so radical. Now there are literally no limits.

5. Eliminating democracy is THE KEY to every other ideological goal. If you can engineer the system so you always have power no matter what, the voters can't stop you and all your darkest fantasies can be realized.