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Topic: Squared Signs and Tormented Love
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Lotis White
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posted July 09, 2012 04:07 AM
  
Ever been in a relationship with someone who squares you by Sun or Moon. Ever noticed how these types of relationships have tragic can’t live with ‘em/ can’t live without ‘em vibe. It’s a love/hate kind of thing.When two cardinal signs get together it’s like their lives pull them in different directions…. Two mutable signs together tend to bicker a lot about details…. And two fixed signs can fall into this stand-off where they refuse to give in to each other…. And yet you can see what you need to learn from this person…. Like they have something important to teach you, and vice versa… Tell me about your experiences.
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Ceridwen
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posted July 09, 2012 05:07 AM
I can only tell about my parents.My Dad has an Aquarius Sun on 5 Aquarius
my Mum a Scorpio Sun on 3 Scorpio. They`ve been a long time together and love each other deeply, but you clearly can see the differences in temperament.
It gets even more interesting as my Dad`s Moon is on 1 Taurus in his 8th house, squaring his own Sun but at the same time opposing my Mum`s Sun.
I guess they really complement and need each other, but is it always easy on a "temperament"-level?
No, certainly not. But his Mercury is in Capricorn trine her Venus-Mars-conjunction. Her Mercury is in Scorpio square his venus-Jupiter-conjunction.
They talk it out. Always. I often remember that they would be switching off the TV, because it started disturbing them in their discussions in aboutw hatever.
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posted July 09, 2012 08:33 AM
I could use some aqua energy to make me a nicer person. My only relationship with an aqua was great. Leo never admitted a wrong but it wasn't my Taurus sun that got bothered by it but my scorp placements. U gotta learn to let go of some things. IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted July 09, 2012 09:18 AM
Hmmm..My family's synastry are full of squares. My dad has Sun-Mercury in Scorpio n Bro has a Sun-Pluto in Scorpio. I have my Sun in Leo, Moon in Aquarius... So their sun square my my Sun n Moon... Yep, love hate thing.... But the redeeming part is in composite we have the love stellium. My mom has Leo in Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter all within 3 degrees square by Dad's Sun, Mercury n Bro's Sun-pluto in Scorpio. But interestingly in composite though they dun hv the love stellium, in composite, mom n dad has Sun-mercury in Virgo, Venus-Jupiter-Saturn in Libra all within 3 Degrees. Can't say they love but they can't end or afraid to.. Definately love hate situation w egos running high evn to this day. Mom n bro has Venus-mercury-Pluto in Libra in composite.. Perhaphs... My sis has stellium of planets in Leo - Sun, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter square my Dad n Bro's Sun in Scorpio. My sis n Dad gets along fine... She is the crown jewel in his eyes. No issues. Sis n Dad has in composite Sun-Venus-Jupiter in Libra... Sis n Bro has in composite Venus-Mercury in Libra... My sis spoiled my brother silly w things she won't buy for herself.... No love hate relationship at all. It's like a overly dotting parent to a spoiled child - sis butter his ego too... schemingly.  Dated that Scorpio Sun-Mercury n he wld never give in to me too even if he is wrong, he won't apologize. . Ego runs high between us. But I guess it failed in that we dun have the gd composite but it was agonizing, hurtful, painful experience I wish I never had. One of the closest friend or human who knows me, he has Taurus Sun-Mercury-Chiron square my sun n moon, conjunct my Chiron. No egoistic games, no mind games, pure friendship, he gives in to me all the time... He lose to let me win. Most patient gentle friend I ever had but could be that he always held a torch for me. We have the love stellium square exact by Saturn in composite.
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Ceridwen
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posted July 09, 2012 09:21 AM
Interesting.Can it be that fixed signs are more sticking to each other even in square signs, than other modalities?
Or is that just a coincidence that only the fixed squares were mentioned so far? IP: Logged |
Robin Goodfellow
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posted July 09, 2012 10:51 AM
Signs that are squared off the perception goes that they have a lot more work to do to avail themselves with compatability and this work can pay off with rewards.IP: Logged |
inthemisosoup
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posted July 09, 2012 11:35 AM
My ex's 25 Sag sun squared my 20 Pisces moon. We didn't really fight much but definitely saw the world and relationships differently. His Venus in Aqua also squared my Venus/Pluto in Scorpio.My current boyfriend has the same birthday as my ex so his sun squares my moon, too. The only thing we've fought about so far is that he is soooooooo moody and a bit passive-aggressive. He has Cancer moon and Cancer on DSC so his moon is in the 7th. So far no other problems. My two other serious relationships moons squared my sun. One had moon in Pisces, one moon in Virgo. Moon and Virgo and I went at it like there's no tomorrow. Moon in Pisces, we would argue too, but it was nothing compared to moon in Virgo and me. That was a definite can't live with/without relationship. I guess this is a common theme for me. I do have the square natally so I suppose that's why. IP: Logged |
scorpy_oh
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posted July 09, 2012 12:53 PM
the one person that comes to mind is my brother. he has an aquarius stellium, including sun/moon/merc/venus and they all square my scorpio sun/moon/mars/pluto.we only get along when it comes to superficial things like work, school, and friends. i don't understand who he is on the inside and that's saying a lot because i'm usually an understanding person. when we don't get along, it's usually because i see things unfairly on his part and vice versa on his. he's fairly immature in the emotional sense. there are times where our fights have gotten so bad that we could have killed one another if no one intervened. i can think of this one incident when i was kicked out of my parent's house. he said that he spent most of his night trying to look for me so he could give me a pillow and a blanket. simple and subtle gestures from him really hit home for me, even though they are ordinary things to outsiders. definite love/hate. i feel like he could learn to be more considerate of people other than himself and be more comfortable with his feelings. not suppress them or rationalize them. and i could learn to be more detached from people, to not let them drag me down, go out and socialize every now and then. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted July 09, 2012 10:20 PM
In my case, I’ve got my Capricorn Sun at 5 degrees, and my Dad has an Aries Sun at about 8 degrees. He’s also got a Pisces Mercury opposite his Virgo Moon, both squaring my Sagittarius Mercury. I’ve always loved and adored my Dad, but, yes we argue a lot. Some really good aspects we do have to make up for this, are that his Venus at zero Taurus trine my Venus at 29 Sagittarius, trine my Saturn at zero Virgo, and sextile my Jupiter at zero Cancer. These are good for friendship and affection. Sometimes we’ll be talking like friends… And then suddenly, his Aries side starts trying to boss me around, and being overly dominating. It gets on my nerves. Still if anyone tried to hurt him (other than me) I think I’d wanna kill them. I think squared relationships are intense like that… Intense fighting, but also intense dedication and loyalty…. The square aspect tugs at something primal in me, as if it reminds me of my earliest childhood. Which makes sense because I grew up with it.My Asc is Sag and my Dad’s Sun falls into my 5th house, and as much as I hate to say it… I think he’s influenced what type of guys I go for. Men with Aries energy in their charts are really attractive to me. My Dad also has a Gemini Asc (And he really is a talker), which is the sign of my Dsc (I love good communicators, and smart cookies)… Dad’s also got a very tight trine between his Taurus Jupiter and Virgo Moon (He is sooo enthusiastic)… And I’ve go Jupiter in the 7th house, ruled by Mercury in Sagittarius… Men with Sag energy are a big weakness for me too. When I was young I never saw the connection, nor would I want to admit to it, but now that I’m older I can see how he’s influenced my taste.
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Lotis White
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posted July 12, 2012 05:53 AM
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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 13, 2012 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I can only tell about my parents.My Dad has an Aquarius Sun on 5 Aquarius
my Mum a Scorpio Sun on 3 Scorpio. They`ve been a long time together and love each other deeply, but you clearly can see the differences in temperament.
It gets even more interesting as my Dad`s Moon is on 1 Taurus in his 8th house, squaring his own Sun but at the same time opposing my Mum`s Sun.
I guess they really complement and need each other, but is it always easy on a "temperament"-level?
No, certainly not. But his Mercury is in Capricorn trine her Venus-Mars-conjunction. Her Mercury is in Scorpio square his venus-Jupiter-conjunction.
They talk it out. Always. I often remember that they would be switching off the TV, because it started disturbing them in their discussions in aboutw hatever.
Your father's Sun is parallel your mother's. This is an excellent example of how 'squared signs' really work, particularly when they are both in the same side of the celestial equator. They can work in unity despite the differences. This is an arrangement in which the difference between unity and uniformity becomes distinct. It is planets in the fixed signs that will show the most compatibility between them because they can be parallel. Planets in Taurus can be parallel planets in Leo. Both signs are in mid-north declination. Planets in Scorpio can be parallel planets in Aquarius in mid-south declination. The parallel (P) aspect acts as a conjunction, fusing two planetary energies which operate in sync and is just as strong, only in declination. http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/ Just a reminder, signs are not 'square' each other. A square is a geometric angle between two points, not between two 30-degree semi-arcs. ------------------
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Lotis White
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posted July 13, 2012 07:15 AM
Yeah, I meant squares within orb. The parallel info was interesting… And may explain why a lot of fixed squares seem to get together.IP: Logged |
violet7887
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posted July 13, 2012 09:12 AM
Kannon, that is great info about parallels, I've been reading into them lately, that is contra-antiscia points if I am correct?I came across it while looking into TF synastry. Getting back to squared signs and love. I have found squared signs carry the same essence. their basic vibes are the same. IF they already have other aspects in synastry to ease out and help the square they are very blessed because that gives them the perfect balance. IF they are pulled together but do not learn to UNDERSTAND and OPEN THEIR HEARTS it then turns into love-hate. IF they are ready to give in their ego and let go, it can be bliss because the love is so great. Square is an energy that is like the ultimate test imo. It can be the strongest of all loves if treated with an open heart and mind. When two people have exact squares(especially sun, moon or personal planets) in synastry it is a clear clue that this is a realtionship that can help you reach your higher self, if you are willing to submerge with all that is real. You can get past what does not matter if you are willing. I personally also think squared love needs a certain amount of evolution as a base. If one or either of the people are not evolved enough spiritually, they will find it hard to get past what does not matter.
Squared love can be a chance at what you actually need 
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted July 14, 2012 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by violet7887:
Kannon, that is great info about parallels, I've been reading into them lately, that is contra-antiscia points if I am correct?I came across it while looking into TF synastry. Getting back to squared signs and love. I have found squared signs carry the same essence. their basic vibes are the same. IF they already have other aspects in synastry to ease out and help the square they are very blessed because that gives them the perfect balance. IF they are pulled together but do not learn to UNDERSTAND and OPEN THEIR HEARTS it then turns into love-hate. IF they are ready to give in their ego and let go, it can be bliss because the love is so great. Square is an energy that is like the ultimate test imo. It can be the strongest of all loves if treated with an open heart and mind. When two people have exact squares(especially sun, moon or personal planets) in synastry it is a clear clue that this is a realtionship that can help you reach your higher self, if you are willing to submerge with all that is real. You can get past what does not matter if you are willing. I personally also think squared love needs a certain amount of evolution as a base. If one or either of the people are not evolved enough spiritually, they will find it hard to get past what does not matter.
Squared love can be a chance at what you actually [b]need
impossible is nothing[/B]
I love this post. So much. Thank you, that's what I've always felt.
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Dreamy_AriesGirl
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posted July 14, 2012 01:40 AM
I also think that a lot depends on the people involved and our charts too.I have a mixed experience so far with squares in synastry.
My bf's Moon exactly squares my Sun, and so far everything has been great, even though it's true that some adjustments are needed in order to work it through. But his Moon sign (Cancer) is very compatible with my Moon and with the rest of my chart, so i guess it helpes too. Then I had special friend whose Moon also squared my Sun exactly, but in Capricorn. And i must say that there were a constant power struggle between us, and it was impossible to talk things through with him. He never wanted to deal with the issues between us. But he was one of my biggest teacher in life so far and we had a close bond. I think I just cant really deal with Cap Moon people in general. The Sun square Sun aspect is a really hard one in synastry I think. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 14, 2012 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Your father's Sun is [b]parallel your mother's.This is an excellent example of how 'squared signs' really work, particularly when they are both in the same side of the celestial equator. They can work in unity despite the differences. This is an arrangement in which the difference between unity and uniformity becomes distinct. It is planets in the fixed signs that will show the most compatibility between them because they can be parallel. Planets in Taurus can be parallel planets in Leo. Both signs are in mid-north declination. Planets in Scorpio can be parallel planets in Aquarius in mid-south declination. The parallel (P) aspect acts as a conjunction, fusing two planetary energies which operate in sync and is just as strong, only in declination. http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/ Just a reminder, signs are not 'square' each other. A square is a geometric angle between two points, not between two 30-degree semi-arcs. [/B]
Thanks for this post. Yes, I agree about parallels being very interesting. Not sure how strong they exactly are, but I keep an eye on them. I find that we clearly underestimate this dimension of astrology.
In the case of my parents their Suns are not parallel though.
My Dad`s Sun: 18°57S
my Mum`s Sun: 12°42 S
His Moon is opposite her Sun though, and widely contraparallel (his Moon: 13°44 N).
What orb do you use with paralells/ contraparalells?
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Lotis White
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posted July 14, 2012 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by violet7887:
Getting back to squared signs and love. I have found squared signs carry the same essence. their basic vibes are the same. IF they already have other aspects in synastry to ease out and help the square they are very blessed because that gives them the perfect balance. IF they are pulled together but do not learn to UNDERSTAND and OPEN THEIR HEARTS it then turns into love-hate. IF they are ready to give in their ego and let go, it can be bliss because the love is so great.Square is an energy that is like the ultimate test imo. It can be the strongest of all loves if treated with an open heart and mind. When two people have exact squares(especially sun, moon or personal planets) in synastry it is a clear clue that this is a realtionship that can help you reach your higher self, if you are willing to submerge with all that is real. You can get past what does not matter if you are willing. I personally also think squared love needs a certain amount of evolution as a base. If one or either of the people are not evolved enough spiritually, they will find it hard to get past what does not matter.
Squared love can be a chance at what you actually [b]need
impossible is nothing[/B]
I think this is true. Developing the compassion and tolerance that it takes to love someone, despite squares, is a beautiful thing! If you can put your egos aside you can really learn from each other. Real love is not always about agreeing all the time… Squares make us work for the understanding that we have over time, and because we’ve worked for it, it’s appreciated so much more. Even if they really do try your patience occasionally.
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vertiver
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posted July 14, 2012 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:It is planets in the fixed signs that will show the most compatibility between them because they can be parallel. Planets in Taurus can be parallel planets in Leo. Both signs are in mid-north declination. Planets in Scorpio can be parallel planets in Aquarius in mid-south declination. The parallel (P) aspect acts as a conjunction, fusing two planetary energies which operate in sync.
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I never thought in amillion years that I would date a Taurus sun, since I'm Leo Sun. But we somehow mesh well, sometimes there is a bit of a obstinate nature to Taurus that annoys me, but I got lots of mutable in my chart that works. IP: Logged | |
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