posted July 13, 2012 08:32 AM              

Just getting divorced for the second time.

Has 5 children.

posted July 13, 2012 09:30 AM              

But I also have moon in Sag in my 5th house. I don't really know what exactly it's done for me but I do strongly enjoy music, writing, etc. Creative expression is a nice release for me and the best way to feel connected to my emotions. But I also have a huge block if I try to force it in any way.

I've also read Pluto in 5th can mean problems with having kids, or having an "intense" first child that would transform your life in some way... But I don't have any kids and don't want to have any for quite a few years lol

posted July 13, 2012 10:11 AM            

I think it makes me rather passionate and maybe a bit obssessed by hobbies or interest. Once I start liking something, I can get pretty wrap up into it and sort of will build my life around this rather than adjust and keep it on the side. For example, at one point I became fascinated by japan. A lot of other teenagers liked anime and manga but to me it was "more" than this. I literally wanted to go and live there, and have my children wear the uniform and go to a Japanese school. I was fascinated by their culture and their country and I really wanted to learn their language, and to go there and experience life there. It wasn't right from the beginning but I kind of escalated into it through the years. And then three years years ago, it stopped but I learned a lot about myself through it. It all faded away mainly because I found another hobby and another outlet for "passion and intensity"
So yes , when it comes to hobbies and interests I do think it makes me rather intense. I use creative endeavors to express emotions but only do so when it's too intense for me, else I can't do it.

I'm also very much attracted to intense people and my conception of love is based on this. If there's no intensity then it's not really love. To me love and passion go hand in hand. And intensity to me speaks much of a transformative love,the kind you would have never wanted but when faced with it yo ucan't help but want and need it. A can't live with, can't live without kind of love.I can definitely relate to this quote from Gustave Flaubert "Love, she thought, must come suddenly, with great outbursts and lightnings,--a hurricane of the skies, which falls upon life, revolutionises it, roots up the will like a leaf, and sweeps the whole heart into the abyss."

And I also need to be very passionate about something to start a project. If I'm not of if it fades away I have a hard time following through. But I guess this translates more to my mars, which is my MC ruler in the 5th than pluto in the 5th

I'd love to know how other people experience this placement though to get more insight.

posted July 13, 2012 09:05 PM            

I'm always in two boats.. This opposition is the beginning and end of me. It just kills me sometimes.
The Pluto/Scorpio end is just intensity... all or nothing - specially in romantic relationships. I have a desire to instantly cut someone out if they betray my trust. Although - my Pluto is trine Jupiter in Pisces - so I have it in me to be forgiving.. but it is not always easy.

I have very set ideas when it comes to what I want romantically - what behaviour is OK in my book and what behaviour is not OK.. I guess this comes with the fixed nature of both Scorpio Pluto & Taurus Venus.
I'm almost like the Seinfeld Soup Nazi...
If they do something that bothers me... I start giving them the silent treatment.
There are some things that are definite red-flags for me... like someone playing hard to get for example - I'll take the first exit and won't look back. I don't play games. I'm either in or out.

The 5th house - is a house of fun and games... but there is no such thing in my romantic vocabulary. I am usually very serious about love - I don't mess around.
Many Scorpio influenced men like this ^ about me.

posted July 13, 2012 11:31 PM            

I think mars in the 5th is pretty intense placement anyway all that energy focused to creativity, etc. But in scorpio I think it's intensified even more. I would say it makes the person REALLY focused on certain things what they like and what they are interested in--turning a hobby into a real passion I believe and bringing positive energy to that.

posted July 13, 2012 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hmm:

i just recently read that it means it your 'fun' relationships will have plutonian themes
also that if you're someone that doesn't have heavy pluto influence in your natal chart that you'll seek out ppl that do. or relationships with ppl that are controling, possesive, and intense
who does this? i do.

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posted January 27, 2013 08:35 PM            

sasstrology has a good article on this aspect: http://sasstrology.com/2010/02/pluto-in-the-fifth-the-alchemy-of-love.html

And also the astrology place: http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2010/09/pluto-in-5th-house.html#.UQXQfh1ZWuk

posted May 02, 2013 08:48 AM            

Intense people, I tell you..

posted May 02, 2013 08:25 PM            

irrelevant, I know. ^^;

But, was good to reacquaint myself with the links shared here on this natal placements' attributes. I have been trying to find a way to describe the effect this transit is having over me since it began... but, all I can come up with is "closed off". It's very strange going from an outgoing Saturn ruled 5th house Sun (domicile by house), to having "the great transformer" turning my outward energy inside out. I'm a bloody recluse lately, and I can't help it! I don't want to "share" anything as of late, my thoughts, my work, my studies, my humour... Jeebus Christie, am I stingy!?!

>.<;

I can see a bit of this in natal descriptions for the placement... (when they don't indulge in the romantic-side only of the 5th, that is; 'cause if there is one thing I am not feeling right now, it's romantic.) =X

I haven't been gloomy or anything like that, just feel as though I'm digging trenches for a battle that isn't going to happen... building a bomb shelter when there's no threat of attack. Such a weird way to describe it... I know. I'm still engaged in all my normal pursuits, but between Saturn Return (3h Scorpio), the past few weeks of transits in my Arien 8th, and this silly, almost agoraphobic/hermit Pluto transit, I've been embracing my solitude far more than normal; and what isn't normal - it doesn't bother me that I'm not being my normally extroverted self one bit! lol Oo;

Do any of you 5th house Plutos get to feeling a bit recluse or exceptionally guarded in your hobbies (or ambitions?)? Do you enjoy keeping your personal pleasures to yourself?

I've been really protective of wee Ram lately too, not that I'm ever not been protective but... you know... I think, yes... I may be over-doing it... unintentionally of course!!! >.<;

(poor weeRam, mommy's even being greedy with him.)

~___~ and the transit isn't even halfway there yet. *sigh* back to digging trenches in my miiiii~iiiind~

posted May 03, 2013 05:34 PM              

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Originally posted by hmm:

i just recently read that it means it your 'fun' relationships will have plutonian themes
also that if you're someone that doesn't have heavy pluto influence in your natal chart that you'll seek out ppl that do. or relationships with ppl that are controling, possesive, and intense
who does this? i do.

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posted October 29, 2013 07:03 PM            

I think it's really bad to be in plutonian relationship, they can get really hard...I avoid them as much as I can!
My and my guy have no particular pluto contacts other than my ascendant trine his pluto, and that is wonderful! To be free from controlling behaviors, jealousy and all that bad stuff...
None of us has any strong pluto in natal, but I think my 5th house placements is more than enough!

posted April 23, 2014 05:40 PM            

Natal Pluto in 5th House

(Ginger Chalford)

With Pluto in the fifth house, we find an emphasis on the heart or feeling centre of the person. This is the house of creativity and self-expression, and it's a natural chanel for the intensely emotional fire of Pluto. Yet, as a young child, the fifth house Pluto person is initially overwhelmed by his or her creative passion. Since he or she is too immature to handle it, the creativity goes instead into establishing intimacy with another person, usually the mother. The original identification of the child with the mother is the bond represented by this house. This deep feeling is intensified, bringing with it an intimate commitment, although the expression of this at such an early age is definitely limited. This sets up a desire to always have the same intensity of feeling within relationships all through adolescence and on into adulthood, because the inner self knows that it is possible.

However, at some point in early childhood, there is a separation between the growing person and his or her mother or other parent. Personal independence lures him or her to explore the environment, leaving the protective and nurturing arms of the mother, who can now concentrate on other things besides the baby. This experience is at the same time both pleasurable and painful. There can be the feeling that the desire for independence leads to a loss of imtimacy, or even to outright rejection (particularly if the parent must be away at work a great deal). For Pluto fifth house natives, this experience creates a powerful need to close off any intimacy with the parents, until such a time as they believe (or hope to believe) that the mother or parent will truly belong to them without question, and that the possibility of feeling this rejection will not exist.

At the same time period, or a little later, these Pluto fifth house children learn that there are definite ways of relating in order to get a positive response from others. They notice how adults relate to one another, and assume that they are happy and enjoying the wonderful bond the child so recently lost. So children begin to parrot the actions of the adults, particularly those of their own sex, and find that they get social rewards for doing so. This works so well that there is hope for the bond to be revived with others, and the children take on the sexual patterning of their same sex role models. They consider the affection between adults to be just friendship or love bonds, until they reach adolescence, when these Plutonian individuals plunge full force into their own sex drive. Then they discover the basis of a lot of this adult activity! So Pluto fifth house people can develop into the idea image of their sex, cultivating all the most admired social games and attitudes that go with their particular gender.

As these children grow into adolescents, they discover the passion of this Pluto placement. The heart centre cries out for expression, for love, for sex, for a creative explosion; for a dynamic bond somewhere, with some special person. Relationships at this time are filled with love and / or hate; as if when one polarity doesn't work, then one must go immediately to the opposite extreme. It is exciting to be playing these role games with other people, rather than just watching older people do it, as had been the case only a few years earlier. Yet, just as the little child felt rejected when he or she took the initiative to be independent, the adolescent feel easily humiliated or rejected. The ego suffers and complains.

This leads many adolescents with Pluto in the fifth house to become obsessive and proud in their dealings with others. They begin to expect their special someone to love them unconditionally, which means that they can go around exploring all they want (even into other relationships) and still have that individual bonded and committed to them. THis way, no rejection or humiliation is possible. Unfortunately, this infantile expectation leads to the very upsets these individuals so desperately wish to avoid!

When an adolescent or young adult feels that he or she has someone to play this role of devotion (often a disguised substitute parent role), then she / he can strut around with this person who enhances his / her sense of value. In this manipulative situation, the Pluto person gets reward and status, as well as control or domination over the pace and direction of the relationship. The victimised party gets to bask in the charming radiance of someone who has mastered his or her sexual patterning, and gets the occasional intensity of the heart centre when it is directed towards him or her. Relationships in this phase of development echo a strong need for social and emotional security, and often don't have the maturity of a relationship built upon other, inherently stronger foundations. The expression of these games shows up in the form of possessiveness and a desire for being the centree of attention. Plays of sexual and emotional domination are frequent, creating a demanding relationship both ways.

When the Pluto person runs into a significant resistance to his or her plans and desires, the relationship may end suddenly. This abruptness can cover the fear of exposure - of exposing insecurity, frustration, inadequacies as a love, manipulativeness, coldness, and the impact that the other person has on the Plutonian individual. Others are attracted to him or her nonetheless, because life is always somehow more exciting in the presence of a Pluto fifth house individual. These people somehow fit their roles well, being natural leaders, very colorful and theatrical. By serving these Plutonians, others are in a position to pick up the exciting crumbs that drop from the banquet table, so to speak.

However, the Pluto person is often inflexible, insisting on his or her favourite and preferred methodologies and beliefs. Few would suspect that this person is low on self-love, and is only putting on such a convincing display of the opposite! Pluto fifth house people often feel that one must always be in control, having it 'all together', and winning respect from others. Of course, these Pluto people soon find out that not everyone wants to play into their prideful games or humour their infantile (albeit cleverly disguised) behaviour. Appearing nonplussed, the Pluto person will simply find some basis for rejecting those who oppose him or her, so as to preserve his or her sense of self-justification. This power play can best be seen even later in life, when couples fight over who gets the children in a divorce settlement. This possessive domination extends to the children as well, as Pluto fifth house people attempt to set up the same bond they lost so long ago - perhaps in the hope that they'll get it right this time. (By golly, the children aren't going to reject them!)

Fortunately, Pluto in the fifth house can mean a positive use of the heart power. The individuals who are so fortunate as to realise the nature of bonding can find spiritual recognition through loving others. Although they are not sacrificial lambs, they are willing to explore the feelings sincerely and deeply within the framework of a relationship whether it is with adults or with children. They feel karmic ties or spiritual bonds with certain people; and although they love intensely, they don't hate as powerfully. Unlike the negative use of Pluto, which encourages revenge or spite when rejected, these people will forgive and therefore will find love elsewhere. They know there is no limit to love, and that it can be found everywhere, especially within themselves. Generally, they have developed a sense of self-esteem and so are not as insecure within relationships. They are more willing to take the risks that come with caring for others.

Even though the focus of Pluto in the fifth house is on love and relationships, there are other special attributes that are highlighted here as well. These Pluto people have great creative gifts; and their children will have these gifts too. They are able to throw themselves passionately into whatever they are doing, making life an affair of the heart. They fascinate others who take the cool, sophisticated approach to life, therefore missing out on the power of living in some respects. These people have the capacity for great loves, whether for other people or in the career. And they aren't happy unless their career is fun and intense, and has room to explore and build self-love and self-esteem. They naturally become the centre of attention in whatever field or area they devote themselves to - which they do, heart and soul!

Theatrics are a natural chanel for the expression of their emotions. In whatver career they choose, they entertain. Others watch them, for they have a certain charisma, an electricity that stimulates others to reach into their hearts and find love there, too. These Pluto natives can make great salespeople, for they can channel their emotions so much that the prospective client cannot help being moved. These people have the power of the heart; and when they don't sell out their love for a secure relationship, there is nothing in this world they cannot achieve if they really want to.

Pluto in this house can bring certain difficulties into the lifestream. Either natally or by transit, there can be an influence which lends itself to personal violation through misuse or abuse of the natural life energy. Sexual violation is possible, as well as abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth. Well-loved creative projects can soar or crash depending on the market or on forces of nature. Sexual abuse within marriage, or even child abuse, is possible. And when the heart centre closes off, there is a physical counterpart. Circulation is restricted. Over a long period of personal emotional abuse, or repressed love or creativity, the individual with this placement may develop circulatory problems, high blood pressure, and ultimately heart disease. Prevention of this is both easy and difficult.

The people who have this Pluto placement must learn to be vulnerable to loved ones, to avoid the pretence of knowing it all or having it all under control. They must learn to express their feelings of love comfortably. With true loving intimacy and trust, the patterns underlying heart problems can be dissipated. Even if rejected, it is best to honestly admit and express the pain, hurt and anger one feels, for trapping it inside will only lead to health and relationship problems later. Beacuse they have a tendency to look at emotional bonds very seriously, those with this placement natally or by transit will need to 'lighten up'. They will need to allow themselves the flexibility to become more spontaneous, thereby opening up their creativity.

When Pluto transits through here, the person affected will experience a readjustment of his or her social and sexual role. Those patterns we took for granted as valuable in the first twenty years of our life do not work much beyond that time. With Pluto here, one must find a new meaning within the concepts of masculinity and femininity, beyond the stereotypes. Once we are aware of the rigid rules of the man / woman game, we can allow ourselves to express ourselves more fully, more richly, more deeply. And then, relationships will grow into the spiritual bonds we felt to be our protected birthright when we were still children. Then the individuals involved in the relationship can become themselves, filled with the joy of disvovering who they really are. No longer will the woman be attempting to play 'superwoman' or 'supermom', or reflect the depth and intensity of two people loving each other to the fullest. What better experience could there be?

During this transit, there will be pressure in the form of crises that require the individual to change negatives into positives. After all, Pluto power doesn't know how to do anything gently - this is the heavy planet of power! Relationships can end if people aren't wiling to change their attitudes or overhaul the way they relate to others. The children of fifth house Plutonians can undergo suffering at this time, whether from their own need to rebel (and the Pluto parent's resistance to it), or from health problems related to difficulties in giving and receiving love. Whatever form the crisis takes, it can be unpleasant, for it forces any lazy people who haven't done their homework in the self-love department to get up off the floor and make some sweeping changes in their approach to love and life!

If you have this position natally or by tranist, then you may want to avoid the kick in the rear that Pluto has been or will be giving you. What do you expect out of love, and what do you expect to give in return? Write down any attitudes and beliefs you had as an adolescent, and any ideas your parents may have given you about love and sex. Is sex all men want? Is money all women are after? Are love and sex the same thing? Is love hard to get? Is a relationship easy to get, but hard to keep? Does love die after marriage? What beliefs were prominent in your adolescene, and which ones can you find still rattling around in your brain now?

Let your imagination flow! Be creative about this, if possible. Relax. No-one else is going to see this paper. Now consider: who has rejected you in your life? Write down another list of the people who have left you, either for their own reasons or to be with someone else. Now forgive those people. Read the instructions for forgiveness at the end of the Pluto in the fourth house section, and apply it to the people who have rejected you.

Now you're clear to start afresh. Look at the people you love right now. These people may or may not include your spouse, children, co-workers, etc.. What are you getting out of these relationships? What are you giving to them? To what extent are you afraid of being seen as less than perfect in someone else's eyes? How far are you willing to open yourself up and explore your deepest feelings with your special someone? Watch these important people in your life. How much impact do they have on you? See if, for a moment or two, you can identify with them so much as to know what they'd love to have or to do. What would you enjoy?

Next, within the coming week, figure out silently what your loved ones would like to experience from you, and give it to them willingly. Is what they want something possibly humiliating or even hurtful? If so, start with something small or relatively insignificant. Do they like flowers? Gimmicks? Toys? What? Now give them something, at least one thing for each loved one, and don't let them know in advance what you are giving them. It's a secret! You'll get no visible reward for doing this. You probably won't even see their surprise when they discover your gift. Make sure they cannot trace it to you! If you can think of more than one thing to do, do it! Don't spend a great deal of time and money on this, because it isn't an exercise in personal struggle and sacrifice. After you give your gifts, note how you feel within yourself. Good? Bad? Indifferent? Why do you feel the way you do? Would you ever want to do it again? In this technique, you are exploring giving as a means of opening you up to your own loving nature, with no expectation of any ego-stroking in return. This is a self-love builder!

posted April 23, 2014 05:46 PM            

You are likely to express the compulsion to feel important, to be in the public eye, and to be a known, recognised character. In short, you gain a strong feeling of self from the acknowledgement of others.

In many ways, this emerges as a compensatory factor for an inner sense of insecurity and personal inadequacy, a lack of self-confidence and understanding. You believe that if you are capable of projecting out into the world an image of yourself which is recognised by others, them somehow you become more important than you truly feel inside. Public recognition is a heady brew.

As this need to be important can be frustrated, and circumstances can conspire to divest it of its glamour by showing you the more negative aspects of public frame, you will need to undergo a thorough re-evaluation of this compulsion to be a 'somebody'. This may involve a process of self-examination, a coming to terms with your own nature and capabilities. Above all else, it may be advisable for you to achieve something of actual value which others can recognise as an expression of a personal skill or talent. This is preferable to the frustration of desiring to be a name and a face in the public eye, and yet being unable to 'deserve' such fame in any way.

You will have a certain creative talent, possibly an artistic one; and if you succeed in directing this energy towards practical expression, then you may begin to explore undiscovered areas and 'make your name' as a pioneer.