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Topic: James Holmes / 'Joker' Colorado Massacre
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IndigoDirae
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posted July 21, 2012 07:04 PM
  
Has anyone investigated this? Perhaps a birthtime? I'd like to pow-wow on any findings. Some data to work with: 13 December 1987 - birth date
(Assumed birthplace: San Diego, CA) 00:30 in Aurora, Colorado - shooting / theatre massacre
Began purchasing weapons and ammunition in May. -A.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted July 21, 2012 07:09 PM
tMars triggered the Ura/Plu sq...IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
tMars triggered the Ura/Plu sq...
so the motive might be that he has a lot of anger toward people/society in general? IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 07:34 PM
born on 13 December 1987 local time 8:05 am
in San Diego, CA (US) U.T. 16:05
117w09, 32n43 sid. time 13:43:38Planetary positions
planet sign degree motion
Sun Sagittarius 21°06'19 in house 12 direct
Moon Virgo 23°07'38 end of house 8 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 15°44'47 end of house 11 direct
Venus Capricorn 19°21'09 in house 1 direct
Mars Scorpio 12°48'37 in house 10 direct
Jupiter Aries 19°46'11 in house 3 stationary (D)
Saturn Sagittarius 23°18'28 in house 12 direct
Uranus Sagittarius 26°33'21 in house 12 direct
Neptune Capricorn 7°05'53 end of house 12 direct
Pluto Scorpio 11°27'26 in house 10 direct
True Node Pisces 28°24'59 in house 3 direct
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Capricorn 9°10'33
2nd House Aquarius 16°24'47
3rd House Pisces 25°05'11
Imum Coeli Aries 27°53'59
5th House Taurus 24°04'26
6th House Gemini 16°37'58
Descendant Cancer 9°10'33
8th House Leo 16°24'47
9th House Virgo 25°05'11
Medium Coeli Libra 27°53'59
11th House Scorpio 24°04'26
12th House Sagittarius 16°37'58 Major aspects
Sun Square Moon 2°01
Sun Conjunction Mercury 5°22
Sun Trine Jupiter 1°20
Sun Conjunction Saturn 2°12
Sun Conjunction Uranus 5°27
Moon Square Mercury 7°23
Moon Trine Venus 3°46
Moon Square Saturn 0°11
Moon Square Uranus 3°26
Mercury Trine Jupiter 4°01
Venus Square Jupiter 0°25
Mars Sextile Neptune 5°43
Mars Conjunction Pluto 1°21
Mars Sextile Ascendant 3°38
Jupiter Trine Saturn 3°32
Saturn Conjunction Uranus 3°15
Neptune Sextile Pluto 4°22
Neptune Conjunction Ascendant 2°05
Pluto Sextile Ascendant 2°17 IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted July 21, 2012 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by awakemer:
so the motive might be that he has a lot of anger toward people/society in general?
No,just Mars created heated surrounding for the Ura/Pluto bomb. Haven't seen man's chart. Terrible thing,and I read kids were killed,too 
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Faith
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posted July 21, 2012 09:41 PM
Boy astrologers are determined. Can't believe someone already got his birth info.Sun conjunct Saturn and Uranus, trine Jupiter but square to the moon, that sounds really wild. Mars conjunct Pluto very tight in Scorpio. (Edited, birth time not accurate)
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awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Boy astrologers are determined. Can't believe someone already got his birth info.Sun conjunct Saturn and Uranus, trine Jupiter but square to the moon, that sounds really wild. Mars conjunct Pluto very tight in Scorpio. Cap rising...people say he was VERY reserved. Neptune conj ASC...no wonder people couldn't figure him out. Plus it looks like he's an air void- not communicative. Venus conj ASC: not bad looking, for a serial killer. That late degree Pisces NN in the third house is weird. Like what he literally wanted to tell people was, go on to the next life.
we actually don't know the birth time.. i should of specified that. sorry... but yeah.. i feel sorry for him. and of course sorry for the victims and the poor families. I always felt sorry for anybody who is compelled to kill and has no real remorse.. they aren't human IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted July 21, 2012 10:21 PM
Yea. I doubt a Cappy Asc makes one reserved. The ones I know are very social, and can be found at the hottest clubs/latest hotspot dancing the night away, mixing and mingling with the in crowd & cool people.IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:24 PM
his chart info. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/journal/the-natal-chart-of-james-holmes-the-killer-in-the-colorado-massacre/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-natal-chart-of-james-h olmes-the-killer-in-the-colorado-massacreIP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:25 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I randomly put his birthdate as 8:05 A.M on astro not KNOWING AT ALL his actual birthdate and now checked and the astrologer on her website says its 8:05a.m TALK ABOUT COINCIDENCE?!IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted July 21, 2012 10:25 PM
^ That's Ami Anne's site, she might have just gotten it from here.
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awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:26 PM
oh no.. now i feel bad!!! IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
Yea. I doubt a Cappy Asc makes one reserved. The ones I know are very social, and can be found at the hottest clubs/latest hotspot dancing the night away, mixing and mingling with the in crowd & cool people.
I'm a capricorn ASC i'm very reserved. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 21, 2012 10:29 PM
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Lonake
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posted July 21, 2012 10:32 PM
He was angry cos he had a Master's degree and couldn't find work.
Only his Neptune was triggered by the Mars/Uranus/Pluto tsq. t.Pluto conj n.Neptune.
He has an aspect in his directed chart that another recent killer had. I'm gonna keep it in mind for future reference next time I see something like this. It's these lil nuggets of info that are so interesting to stumble upon.IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
He was angry cos he had a Master's degree and couldn't find work.
Only his Neptune was triggered by the Mars/Uranus/Pluto tsq.
I think it was more than that. but if he is a Narcissist and he didn't get his N supply and he was expecting that from having a high standing job and that failed he might of been like ok well i will just kill a bunch of people and get famous for it. IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:34 PM
A lot of killers are either scorpio or sag. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 21, 2012 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by awakemer:
I think it was more than that.
Enlighten us then.
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awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by awakemer:
[b]I think it was more than that.
Enlighten us then.[/B][/QUOTE]Umm i just did.. i implied he might be an N. HItler did the same thing.. he didnt' get into art school and what did he do? he decided to be a tyrant instead. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 21, 2012 10:42 PM
Well then it doesn't differ from what I wrote.IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted July 21, 2012 10:42 PM
My mom told me about it and I was like "he was probably a saggitarius" I immediately told her when I saw his birthday I was right. Im sure it can be activated or not activated but I have a theory about Sagittarius being the sociopath sign. At least in the way someone can be a narcisstic without actually having narcisstic personality disorder. For example - Leo's are to narcissists as sagitarrius are to sociopaths as scorpios are to psychos as cancers are to crybabies. As Taurus are to hoarders. As libras are to obsessive compulsive. As pisces are to aliens. Jk about some of those? IP: Logged |
awakemer
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posted July 21, 2012 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
My mom told me about it and I was like "he was probably a saggitarius" I immediately told her when I saw his birthday I was right. Im sure it can be activated or not activated but I have a theory about Sagittarius being the sociopath sign. At least in the way someone can be a narcisstic without actually having narcisstic personality disorder. For example - Leo's are to narcissists as sagitarrius are to sociopaths as scorpios are to psychos as cancers are to crybabies. As Taurus are to hoarders. As libras are to obsessive compulsive. As pisces are to aliens. Jk about some of those?
technically all psychopaths and sociopaths have narcissistic personality disorder as well. just for clarity. It's very likely that James is a Sociopath with very large narcissistic tendencies. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted July 21, 2012 10:54 PM
I think there is a big differentiation between NPD and being a sociopath though. In my personal opinion. I remember talking to my Sagittarius friend and saying I thought I was a narcissist (at least have tendancies) And she was like "what about me?" and I was like " maybe a little but I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE, I KNOW" she just laughed and said well at least she wasn't so bad with it. Some sociopaths don't desire to do anything more than live everyday life without much responsibility and only use people / not care about people's emotions to attain such simple things. I know she's a sociopath. I have a friend or two with this moon and they're a little sociopathic-y. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted July 21, 2012 10:57 PM
Virgo South Node expressed at it’s most negative… He meticulously planned the whole thing out. Pisces North Node… He needs to learn compassion, and understanding for other living beings.A Sag Sun with strong Capricorn and Virgo influences in the chart, with his Moon in Virgo squaring his Sag Sun/ Saturn conjunction. To have Saturn conjunct the Sun within two degrees, conflicting with his Moon…. He may have felt frustrated, repressed, and generally very unhappy with himself… like he couldn’t express that fire that he knew he had inside. Apparently he was a very quiet, reserved individual who was academically gifted. According to reports, he went to graduate school and started to flunk his classes…. Perhaps he felt like a failure… His chart is strong in Capricorn… Maybe when he felt like his ambitions were not panning out as he wanted, he just thought ‘screw the world’, and decided to pursue notoriety in a different way. His chart is mostly Earth and Fire, apart from Mars in Scorpio conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, which potentially inclines toward explosive rage, and a willingness to go to ‘dark’ places. Also, when this sign is allowed to sink into it’s most negative form of expression, strong Scorpio placements in the chart are textbook for people with murderous tendencies On the whole though, his chart is not very ‘feeling’, but rather enthusiastic and methodical. Fire can be feeling in a way, but it can also be rather self involved… It may be worth noting that his Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Uranus ruler is Jupiter in Aries. He’s probably the sort who thinks that violence is ‘cool’. I’m a Capricorn myself, and see Saturn influences as beautiful in a way…. The negative side however, can be a tendency to just turn cold, and switch off the emotions. He has Sun conjunct Saturn and Moon square Saturn… It’s like he just ‘switched off‘. My overall impression of his chart is of a practical, methodical, repressed person, (Virgo and Capricorn placements, and strong Saturn in the chart) with grandiose ideas about things, a passion for what he saw as glory, (Sagittarius and Aries placements) and morbid fantasies about death and killing (That Pluto/Mars conjunct in Scorpio). Obviously I’m looking at all of these placements from the most negative perspective possible, because this individual has chosen to walk that path. We all have free will and can choose to do good no matter what kind of chart we have. A different person with a similar chart may have found a way to make these placement work in a positive way. I guess my point is that having a ‘difficult’ chart is not an excuse for his behavior… I’m mean the guy used all his effort and intelligence to booby trap his apartment, when he could have done something constructive…. He’s taken and ruined so many lives just to fulfill some twisted fantasy, and to get attention and fame. I don’t think he truly understands the heinous ramifications of what he has done to others, and now he has some heavy karma coming to him as a result… Back to the Pisces North Node… On an evolutionary level, his mission is to learn compassion for others. I hope he wakes up, realizes what he’s done, and experiences true remorse someday.
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Lonake
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posted July 21, 2012 11:00 PM
His Venus sq Jupiter was triggered in a bad way.IP: Logged |
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