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Topic: Transiting Neptune Square ASC, Trine Sun/Venus (help!)
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Sorcha
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posted July 27, 2012 07:16 PM
  
I am currently going through the aforementioned transit and I am find that Neptune squaring my ASC is pretty tough. It's also inconjunct my Saturn which is probably not helping matters.Anyone else been through this transit? The way I feel is that I am not sure if all of the various intuitions I am experiencing are valid or just a function of the Neptune square. And then there is the trine to Sun and Venus I'm also feeling and I am having a hard time separating the energies. I guess that's Neptune though.
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12thhouser
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posted July 28, 2012 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
I am currently going through the aforementioned transit and I am find that Neptune squaring my ASC is pretty tough. It's also inconjunct my Saturn which is probably not helping matters.Anyone else been through this transit? The way I feel is that I am not sure if all of the various intuitions I am experiencing are valid or just a function of the Neptune square. And then there is the trine to Sun and Venus I'm also feeling and I am having a hard time separating the energies. I guess that's Neptune though.
Hmm... I have these exact aspects natally. What signs and houses are they in? Except I don't have a trine between my Sun and Venus. They aren't even aspected. My Venus conjuncts my Pisces ascendant, and my Aquarius Sun is in the 12th house. IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted July 28, 2012 05:50 PM
Well Neptune is currently Rxing at 2 Pisces. My ASC is 2 Gem and my Sun/Venus are at 2 & 3 Cancer. This transit will be going on for a while due to the Rx of Neptune so I'm hoping to get a handle on it, especially the square to my ASC as soon as possible  IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted July 29, 2012 07:41 AM
I'm having the same transit, Sorcha.Neptune squares ASC/DSC axis, at 3° Gemini. I don't really like it.. I feel confused about my relationships with close people. It's like I either idealize them or get suspicious of them. I don't handle Neptune energy very well because it's not strong in my natal chart so it's quite unsettling. Plus, Neptune also opposes my Moon at 1° Virgo, which only complicates things. I can't wait until it's over so I can see my personal life more clearly!
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Sorcha
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posted July 29, 2012 03:40 PM
Wow Doux! That is exactly how I feel. Thanks for wording out my feelings for me  I am really suspicious more than idealistic though I think. I feel awkward about all of my relationships right now, though unfortunately in some cases I have reason to feel this way. Can the square signify not just feelings but actual events? And I have Neptune quincunx my Moon natally so I think we're on the same icky page here. An example: my family got together last weekend but I wasn't invited until the 11th hour by my brother who obviously felt a bit guilty or something - like, maybe he better do it in case I found out about it. If that's what I have to look forward to --- Ugh. And Gah. IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted July 31, 2012 05:08 PM
Anyone else going through this transit? Or gone through it recently? I'd be really curious to hear more people's experiences with any Neptune transits. Right now I feel the the square is cancelling out the trines.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 01, 2012 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Can the square signify not just feelings but actual events?
As much as I'd like to say no, I think it can actually signify events, too. Oh God, I'm totally getting paranoid now. Good luck with your Neptune transits..
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Lonake
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posted August 02, 2012 03:10 AM
The trines are valid, yes. But the sq could leave you feeling that you don't know which way your relationships are heading, or what choice to make regarding their future. Could hand you more options than you're used to, if you would welcome that then it's fine, if you're more the type to want everything mapped out and taken care of, then it's not great. People could be deceiving you/they could be misreading you and/or vice versa so it's important to hold yourself and others to high standards now and not just blindly take them at their word and don't expect for them to understand what you're trying to put across either. Let them know what you expect of the relationship. If you have anxieties you have to voice them, not eat at you from the inside because they're going to come out to others in a bizarre way (suspicious) which will drive people away--if they think you don't trust them they could want to give you reason to not trust them. It's a slippery slope this Neptune sq, tricky landscape. Nothing excitable just calmly state what you expect--you want to trick people (and yourself) into thinking you're with it. With this square you're not (temporarily). But it's only one factor. You have natal, transits, plus a directed chart to consider as well. This is not the same as Neptune trine Venus. If that's all that t.Neptune is doing then it's not the quote end quote worst thing in the world. But other things can play into it and make it look worse, or make it look better.
Intuition/enhanced sensitivity from the trines is one thing. Misunderstandings and/or the course of a relationship being thrown up in the air not knowing what to choose (may or may not happen) is a whole other issue. It's also not the best time to enter into binding contracts, people could be misrepresenting themselves. And if it's causing grief just be happy it's not in your natal and *it will pass.*
Howevah, t.Chiron was next to it for a while bringing on the pain and/or healing, depending (in my case both HA), after that t.Jupiter had been egging it on from early Gem at about the same time the transiting nodes were also squaring it from early Sadge/Gem. Transiting nodes are *still* squaring it and there was an eclipse in early Gem not too long ago. So Neptune hasn't really been operating on its lonesome the entire time it's been in Pisces. So everyone with Sun/Moon/ASC/Node at early mutable has been going through it.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 02, 2012 05:28 AM
Lonake, you hit the nail on the head, thank you.I can't wait til Neptune transits are over for me. I find them quite difficult to handle, the confusion is sometimes overwhelming and I don't see people/situations clearly at all, but it's hard to actually just *talk*about it with the people concerned. I have to keep my eyes wide open and try my best to state my expectations/worries, I guess. IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted August 02, 2012 05:35 PM
Lonake, thanks for your contribution Yes, nothing is what it seems lately...or maybe it is. Argh. Yes, that is definitely the problem. I was suspicious recently that I was being iced out by my whole family and it turned out to be true so apparently feelings and events do indeed conspire during this transit. As for talking to them about it, it's almost impossible. I can try but the last time I did my brother literally snorted at my concerns, calm as I was, so that is out. I agree that Chiron and Jupiter have been magnifying these things as well so I suppose I just have to buckle down or buckle up (or both) over the next few months. This really couldn't come at a worse time though, I have to say. Again, thanks for your input IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 02, 2012 06:43 PM
Yea with family I'd check the Moon and IC/4th. Could be an outer planet or Saturn saying that you need a break so it will temp halt interaction so you can work on whatever else is more pressing at that time, maybe the family was getting in the way--sometimes people get sidetracked by what the family wants for them and forget what they want, they forget they're their own person--so a break comes in some manner to help them to re-align. Not saying that's what it is but it happens a lot--esp if there was a lot of dependence that stood in the way of growth. Also look at the chart of the closest family member you feel most slighted by, what's going on in their 4th/their Moon and what is their perspective of the situation. The charts will tell you more than the people, because people lie.IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted August 03, 2012 05:29 PM
Lonake, Well I have my progressed Sun and Saturn conjunct my IC so I know that's part of it for sure. I'm not sure who to feel most slighted by, it's more of a deep hurt. I grew up not being able to depend on my family so given that, how would that change the nature of this progressed aspect? As for lying, well, I come from a family of liars. It stinks. I know everyone lies sometimes - it's a part of being human. But I mean that it's integrated into my familiy's way of being and since I have always been the one trying to get some open communication going I guess that makes me the black sheep (aka Threatening in this case). I'm at the point of feeling a bit crazy to be honest - like maybe it's just me. I've also considerd that Saturn may be suggesting that I break ties with them but this feels so harsh and negative so I've ignored the thought. In any case, again you are bang on. Thank you IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 03, 2012 06:40 PM
"I grew up not being able to depend on my family so given that, how would that change the nature of this progressed aspect?"
---I think you're primed now to take all of this very personally, and for it to effect you at a deep level. You're stuck facing past family limitations/psychological hangups, like nowhere to run. Maybe you're living in a place that's not in the right area or is not decorated as you like, not what makes you feel comfortable and secure, and it mimics the internal feeling of scarcity on the emotional level, poverty. Is it like being stuck deep inside yourself, facing the past no matter how much it hurts cos it's everywhere you turn? Well one thing is taking the burden upon yourself, feeling the weight of the past, another is learning what to cast off cos you'll see that you've been chained to it and it's stifling your self-expression. If you can't go back quote end quote home, cos you say there was no real home, then you need to make your own home right where you are, everywhere you are, self-sufficient. If by some chance a spot for reconciliation opens up then fine but for now you're living your life, they aren't, and likely there is a deep loss that has to be mourned. Take your time with that cos the pain is real, you're not imagining it, and also be open to picking up on what you contributed to the situation when the time is right, but stay away from blaming yourself because what's done is done and with this one there really is no point. Then you need to pick yourself up because no one else will (the isolation--really tough) and just soldier on with really focusing on the base of your operations. Sun will be going through your 4th for a while. P.Saturn moves so slow that it will be stuck at that spot for yrs. If you're inclined to some kind of therapy then really now is the time, I would check out flower essences first/alternative healing, but if psychology is more your thing and you have the means that would be good too. Look at what other aspect p.Sun will make as it moves through the 4th for more info, transits too. You're also getting in touch with the past, Saturn is karmic on one level and the 4th is your roots. So maybe play around with this imagery as you're going through the process and don't rush it, not that you'll really be able to, but it's best to take your time and feel everything let it wash over you. This is a lot different than p.Sun in the 3rd, going from a mental to emotional orientation. Except your entrance is muddled by going through Saturn rites first before being allowed to roam around freely. You're like a baby crab now it seems, looking for it's first snail shell to snuggle in.IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted August 09, 2012 05:06 PM
Sorry for my delayed response Lonake. hank you so much for your help on this. Everything you said is exactly what I am experiencing. I am definitely trying to do as you suggested but the isolation is what is getting to me and making me feel a bit hopeless. Normally, I have some very good friends I can rely upon but in this instance I only have a couple and they do not really understand what I am going through.I do have a therapist (and I am a therapist!) but still, having people in your life is important and the universe seems determined to make me sit alone for the time being and it's quite frustrating. I do know that it's asking me to dig deeper into my stuff but I've been doing that my whole life and if anything, I've had to be careful that I don't indulge that side of me so that I get stuck there. Since Saturn will be hanging out on my IC for quite some time, can you say that once it begins to separate (even by a second) things will begin to improve? I tend to look at the approaching or separating aspects of transits as being pertinent to internal/external shifts but Saturn will not even have moved one bloody degree away until long past the year 2020. The thought of being in this place for another ten years is unthinkable. Maybe I'll just get used to the energy? IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted August 13, 2012 08:02 PM
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