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Faith
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posted July 31, 2012 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 31, 2012 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, I would to hear as well. My Little is is only 20 months. (Scorp Sun, Sag Asc). and she indeed can be very intense. her stare is known from the moment she was born.

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posted July 31, 2012 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshift     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Scorpio. I remember being very intense and worried as a child. I felt very different from others and very private. I would retreat to my own world a lot as I felt others wouldn't understand from a very early age. My feelings felt intense and overwhelming a lot so I would retreat to lessen the input from the world. Does that make sense?

My parents were not helpful about it. They seemed to think I was strange. That made me feel worse. I think key things that would have helped would be:

1. The parent who is closest to the Scorpio child must remain steady and reliable and warm. They must feel safe and feel that their parent knows better and can sense and respond to their moods with advice, even if they are not asking for it.
2. Find something they can immerse themselves in when they need to retreat. Whatever they are interested in that can be an outlet: Reading, writing, building, drawing, music...something they can pour some of those intense feelings into that gives them a sense of pride.
3. Give them alone time, but not too much. Help them see the lighter side with whimisical or spontaneous fun. Don't let them turn inward for too long.
4. Answer their questions honestly. Let them know it's ok to have big questions and big feelings and dark feelings also and it's ok to share them and talk about them.

Trust me, start now before they become teenagers!

Hope that helps

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posted July 31, 2012 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like your kid,she is one smart cookie
And redshift's suggestions are pretty much on spot.
I am Cap Moon,and when young Scorps and Cap are very alike - so give her challenge through education,make sure there is tons of her to discover,but let her taste that world by herself,you would have to be very subtle and secrecy savvy to pull that off,they are mind-readers! Your guidance has to be pretty much invisible

And,if she is into sports,try gymnastics - this is very rewarding for a Scorp,focus and determination,physicall strength that comes from will.

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posted August 01, 2012 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you
I am taking notes .... seriously.
Redshift what is your Asc?
Where is ur venus and moon as well?
My Little one has a lot of water.
Sun is in Scorpio and Moon is in Pieces.
I am by nature very affectionate. and I learned to be patient.
But My Daughter gives me the pause all the time. She is extremely strong willed. in addition to that she is very easily offended. I am not sure if it is terrible twos or her character.

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posted August 01, 2012 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith
"She comes to me with a tornado in her head, then micro-analyzes every word out of my mouth"
I think it is her air is talking (She seems to have a lot of placement in Air Sign)
I can relate to that. I am Aqua Sun, Venus

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posted August 01, 2012 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 01, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 01, 2012 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 01, 2012 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, we should... no we must..... start a new thread. Plus we have advantage of astrology to make life of our children little bit more comfortable.
If My parents only knew lots of my problems would not exist.

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posted August 01, 2012 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for redshift     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still-Hopefull

My asc is Cap and so is my venus. Moon in Virgo. Lots of earth. Stong-willed toddler you say? Talk to my mother. I had her in tears from 8 months to this day with my will against hers. She's a cap sun.

Faith:

About books and needing answers. If you can get a feel for what she may be thinking the answers are or what she WANTS them to be, go to the library, ask the librarian for books that share your daughter's ethos and find a philosopher or author that she can look up to. OR, get a variety of intro to philosophy books and read them with her and talk about some options. Maybe if you give her examples of different beliefs, she will find one that resonates and helps her feel aligned with something.

If she likes to write, see if there is a writing club, so she can meet others like herself maybe?

It sounds like your doing a great job, but I agree that it's not best to just let it pass. Let her know early on that these mental struggles are ok and are a path to growth and not something to fear or bottle up And don't give up being her rock even if she makes you think she doesn't want you to be!!

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posted August 01, 2012 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 01, 2012 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beckylee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also retreated to my private world a lot as a scorpio kid.

But my elder sister was a saggittarius and we shared a room.

So, I guess she just cheered me up

but when I left the house to go to college, and she got married, I realized that I still had to deal with this inner seriousness.


I worry, and I was a worrier a child. That is my natural state of mind.

People around me help me a lot to cheer up. Otherwise I obsess about things. Hobbies help too.

I think it's because Scorpios can concentrate. Thay have an incedible amount of energy to just go deeper and deeper into a subject.

So my suggestion would be, make sure you do things to make her laugh, always encourage her to socialize, and ask her what she would love to do as a hobby.

Piano lessons, horseback riding, anything, let her do that ! Nothing that you come up with, it has to be what she wants

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posted August 01, 2012 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://lenisastrology.blogspot.com/2007/10/child-with-pluto-conjunct-ascendant.html?m=1

wondr if its similar..

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posted August 01, 2012 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 01, 2012 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 02, 2012 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melodie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went through something similar (based on the info that you provided) when I was 7-8 years old. I even made a recording of me talking about how unhappy I was, the meaning of life, why am I here, etc. It was just a very dark time in my life. A feeling I don't think anyone should experience, much less a young child.

My mom certainly wasn't of much help. She found the tape and freaked out. Thinking I was depressed or crazy. That I shouldn't think like that and whatnot.

I don't think I was ever depressed. I think it was because at that age, I saw the things that was happening around me, but couldn't comprehend it. Not being able to grasp it. To control it. It really frustrated me.

Long story longer, all I can say is, you should just try to remain as the guiding light in her life.

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No Scorpio is the same. I will write about myself, because my Scorpio is strong and pretty much unaspected. Of course, Scorpio alone cannot be blamed for everything. There is a connection between each planet.

I have the Sun (13'13") tightly conjunct Pluto in Scorpio with Mars at 0 degree Aries.

To put it this way, I do not want to look like a Scorpio (I lift my head up while staring rather than "intensely downwards"). I actually look like a lunar Virgo (maybe Leo for the hair) with a very strong Libra Venus (with Mercury)~

My intensity is not on display, nor does it make sense that I have such a strong Scorpio or Aries at all. Apparently, the harder that life is and the more unrewarding it seems, the better, for Scorpio is my only prevalent water sign. Despite having my ascendant conjunct the Moon...the Moon is in Virgo, meaning my emotions have hardened over the years...I analyze my own emotions and my own bodily feelings.

I observe the emotional reactions that things and people make outside of me by observing what is happening within me at those moments. This allows me to know what foods I should eat and what I am doing wrong (I have a lot of Jupiter as well). It is not good to tell me what I "should" be doing, because I am too different to categorize. My Scorpio helped me when trying to deal with conventional people, because I feel myself as the destroyer Scorpio, the laser beam, a forgotten inhabitant from an ancient civilization currently miles below the surface of the earth. Life always found me trying to not only break away, but to come back and annihilate everything I found as aging and repetitive. I have little problem throwing things into the fire and in starting over life itself.

Luckily, my strong Libra and my Mars being square to Saturn conjunct Uranus and sextile Jupiter...stops me. I am not a rebel, I am a non-conformist...someone who keeps their rebellion in lock. Apparently, I am not supposed to "break away" and leave things as they are, but I have to remove them completely. I cannot just leave home, I have to have either the home destroyed or every feeling and memory about home comprehended. I find it hard to cling upon things when they show that they are not making me feel better.

Since there is a strong ethical force always thinking about what is wrong and right, I cannot trust people without objective evidence from my own experiences. Debating is not my subject, because I will just debate on how to stop the debate, or how wrong debating can be to the emotional center of a child. It's hard to change me, because I am not easily surprised. This emotional strength is personal, since I find people too sensitive or uniformed by such a subject in order to learn anything about that from me.

Strangely enough, I am rarely ever taken seriously. I am only popular at a superficial level...I am still forgotten. I do not know of anyone that understands just what my purpose is, because my appearance does not fit my longings. This is actually helpful when surprising people, but in my normal everyday life, I need something much deeper to keep me interested.

I was incredibly alone as a child (and fearful), and this made me sense distrust in others who believed that they knew how to help solve personal problems. Being so uninterested in getting anything, I never asked for anything in return, leading me to realize that people are controlled by others using money and food at an early age, and that those who did the controlling were controlled by the same. People who asked for money got money, but my feelings did not allow me, and so my Scorpio merely got rid of those longings. Today, people who asked for money are poor and in need, while I have little, yet I do not need more.

My Libra is in the 2nd, while my Aries is in the 8th. They both have their ruling signs, making my struggle about understanding material life, despite having unearthly planets (Moon and Neptune) in earth signs. As my Scorpio takes residence in the 3rd house, it seems like an accurate description.

There is something that a Scorpio is probing for, but appearance would not easily show, since not even my family knows what I need. 80% of my planets are below the horizon though, so it makes sense why I am largely unknown. I am not a child anymore, but this is the result of what I faced as a child. It will be different for every other Scorpio.

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posted August 06, 2012 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imagine my poor Virgo mother having to deal with a very strange Aquarian-colored Pisces little girl with a Scorpio rising~

I can only speak from the asc point of view, but yes, I did all of those things.

I remember sitting in a church pew, which I was very active in church till we moved to Texas when I was 16, but I, from a little girl wondered why we worshipped a dead man on a cross...

Sat there each and every Sunday and wondered.

Been wondering about alot of things since.

The Scorpio or Scorpio infuenced individual, in my opinion is ultra deep, and always probing into the depths.

Good luck with your kids, Faith.

You are an awesome person and I know your kids will be fine!!!

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posted August 06, 2012 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith : "She has Pluto trine ascendant so maybe that's a factor, too."
wow My LO has pluto in 1st house !!! It EXACT Conjunct NN AND widely Conjunct ASC (6 degrees)
I am familiar with a Scorpio energy as I am Scorpio Acs and My Jupiter in Scorpio as well. BUt I have a lot of air in me. My moon is in Aries. So it did "water" down my intensity.
My sunshine has a lot of water in her. Scorpio Sun, Pieces Moon. and OMG she is ALREADY intense. But she is Saggie Acs. So may be it will help her to "relax" a little bit. When I was growing up, my parents were completely adsorbed by their carriers. and even though They do love me dearly, for the most part I was left to myself. I remember I wanted some guidance I longed for "real" talks but I was left to my own thoughts. However I always felt my parents LOVE me intensely. Does it make sense? However I do not want to repeat the same mistakes with my Little one. I love her more than anything. But often I just do not know how to react. So I would just hug and kiss her. It will do the trick. but for how long?

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posted August 06, 2012 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

I grew up as a Scorpio. I completely agree with the earlier poster who said every Scorpio is different, etc., but I'm sure there is some general advice out there that applies to most.

I think what was key for me was knowing I had my "private" space and my "private stuff", and when it was rifled through and used (sometimes) as evidence in "mini trials" brought against me, I was highly disturbed, perturbed and offended. Don't touch a Scorpio's private stuff. It probably applies to most kids, but Scorps perhaps in particular need that sacred stuff respected. Of course, as a parent, you walk a fine line. You don't want to NOT be aware of certain dangerous habits your child may have taken up, either. So I think if you're going to snoop for the sake of their safety, you have to handle it very delicately. And I don't know how that's done, but I think every effort should be made not to have dramatic confrontations with the child about things she's doing which might be taboo, etc. The conversation must be kept at a reasonable and compassionate level.

What I resented most (which my mother did constantly) was, at those times when I felt confident enough to confide in my mother (temporary amnesia would set in), she'd momentarily act the part of understanding and sympathizing, but inevitably, she'd use the information against me later down the line. Infuriating! If your Scorpio child knows for sure you can be trusted with her deepest secrets/fears, it will be invaluable. I knew very quickly my mother was never to be trusted.

Just let your daughter know she can always come and talk to you about anything, but then try not to retaliate if you find out things you weren't prepared for. Be more friend than parent. Scorpios typically don't appreciate anyone controlling THEM too much!!

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Hi people,

My Scorpio daughter is nine and going through a rough patch where she is grappling with the meaning of life. It's pretty intense.

I just realized that she seems to be doing the same thing my Scorpio brother did when he was young...just wants to "veg out" in front of videos or be totally preoccupied with something. Even then, even if she's with friends, she can get all quiet and distracted, like she's worried about everything.

I made the mistake of wondering aloud to my husband if there were any natural, mild mood enhancers for children, within her earshot, and now she is asking me if there's such a thing as "happy medicine." Yikes.

My question is, anyone else dealing with Scorpio children going through apparently "Scorpio" issues? Can any Scorpios tell me what it was like for them as kids, and what helped?

This is all pretty new to us, she just started being like this about two weeks ago. Maybe it's a pre-adolescent thing.

Thanks for any input.



This probably won't be of much help as I'm not a mom but one of my best friends is a Scorpio ASC, Scorpio sun, Scorpio mercury and Scorpio Venus. I've seen a few family videos of her when she was little and she was extremely quiet. You could tell she was a bit lost and unsure (one of the videos was her at her own birthday party, and you wouldn't even know it was hers if the camera hadn't been on her.) I think Scorpio children must feel so much that they're not able to understand nor vocalize. If I had a Scorpio child I would try to be as cuddly and nurturing as possible. Good luck with yours - she already sounds like Harriet The Spy in the making (a compliment.)

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posted August 07, 2012 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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