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Aquacheeka
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posted August 05, 2012 07:48 PM
  
I have a question about Saturn.
My bf and I don't have Saturn strong in our synastry. The only connection it makes to the personals is a loose Saturn/Mars sextile, and overall in terms of our synastry aspects, the only other connection is a tight Saturn/south node conjunction.
However, I can feel the Saturn very strongly, the feeling of inescapable "glue" and adult responsibility.
I'm thinking the reason could be the Saturn in the 7th we have in our composite, but my understanding has always been that Saturn is most important in synastry, especially to personals and that the absence of Saturn in synastry denotes a relationship that is not lasting.
Can someone please explain to me how Saturn works?
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Aquacheeka
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posted August 05, 2012 07:51 PM
Rosalind, I'd really like to hear your interpretation in particular...IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted August 05, 2012 08:19 PM
There are other "glue" aspects such as angle/angle conjunctions. Do you and your boyf have that?In any case, Saturn conjunct SN is very strong on its own. I don't think you would need much more Saturn to make this relationship feel "heavy." IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted August 05, 2012 08:28 PM
I think saturn in the composite can change things, the composite is the relationship, while the synastry is the individual..I would say look at each persons natal... Me personally I don't like synastry with saturn, makes me feel tied down... I have uranus in h7, so that would explain that..
I met a guy who's saturn conjunct my sun, moon, and merc.. He kept trying and trying... But I wouldn't give into it.. I wouldn't even go on a date with him... He was very attractive a general mgr at a fitness club, body to die for.. We had some very intense conversations... I liked him, but it was just way to heavy for me...
I ran from that guy like a bee~iotch.. Lol Like with fishy in synastry his saturn conjunct my dsc
My saturn sq his nn...
no saturn aspects to personal planets..
I'm stuck to him.. I would want to make it long term..
In the composite saturn is well aspected and touches just abt ever planet..
I can't say it's going to be forever, but this is not a short fling..
We have moon, pluto and venus, pluto.. So it's very difficult to walk away...
I don't think it's something either of us want to do..
we don't want to feel the loss of one another..
I think we both know it's gonna hurt to not have one another. IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted August 05, 2012 08:29 PM
I am not Rosalind but I felt the need to actually bring my input when you mentioned "the only other connection is a tight Saturn/south node conjunction" while mentioning before hand that you and your boyfriend didn't have strong Saturn in youR synastry.My parents have this. My father's saturn is conjunct my mother's south node. So far they've been unable to get away from each other. They got married, then divorced, then got back together and this "dance" lasted incessantly. Up until now I don't even know what their actual situation is. They don't live together and aren't together but each is as much present in the life of the other as before, which makes for a very uncommon situation.
They also have a sun saturn square and a venus saturn trine but to me nothing speaks more GLUED to each other than the saturn on the south node aspect.
And since my saturn conjuncts my father's saturn I also share this with my mother (but much tighter) and her saturn is on my North Node. We have a lot to learn from each other . A whole lifetime might not even be enough. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted August 06, 2012 02:01 PM
Thanks for your replies, guys.ueharaa, that's very interesting, about the pushl-pull your parents have. So they're together now but not romantically? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 06, 2012 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Rosalind, I'd really like to hear your interpretation in particular...
I'm sorry, dear one, but I must decline your request. My opinions here are 0. Better ask for one to someone else. Sorry again. IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted August 06, 2012 04:00 PM
Aquacheeka .... Saturn conjunct south node is powerful. But, beware, it is a double edged sword. It will keep you together, that is for sure. But it will also keep you from splitting long after the point when your rational mind tells you to leave. I speak from experience of 30 years marriage where we have a saturn conjunct south node in a double whammy. There is such a strong karmic pull. It would appear that we have some heavy karmic obligations to pay back to one another before our debt is released - payment that can only be repaid through learning to love in the face of vigorous life lessons. Do not go into this relationship lightly. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted August 06, 2012 04:04 PM
Do,u, think the sq is the same?IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted August 06, 2012 04:17 PM
Yes I definitely think so. Look where it sits..... At the SN/NN midpoint!! A lot of stress on that superglue!IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted August 06, 2012 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Yes I definitely think so. Look where it sits..... At the SN/NN midpoint!! A lot of stress on that superglue!
Ooooooooooo IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted August 06, 2012 04:42 PM
Do you have it with Fishy?
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ueharaa
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posted August 06, 2012 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
ueharaa, that's very interesting, about the pushl-pull your parents have. So they're together now but not romantically?
Yes, they're together out of duties, obligations, but not because they want it. It's kind of a theme with them. A bit as if they just can't get away from each other and life will always make it so that they have something forcing them to remain. To me it's not the super glue where one actually sticks to the other it's the super kind of glue where the universe makes it so that you stay together as long as it is needed for you both.
Taineberry actually summed it up very well. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted August 06, 2012 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Do you have it with Fishy?
Yeah his nn sq my saturn by like 1.5 orb.. Something like that. IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted August 06, 2012 05:20 PM
Uh-oh!  Brace yourself. He could be around a looong time.IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted August 06, 2012 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Uh-oh! Brace yourself. He could be around a looong time.
I've known him 8 years... Lol... IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted August 07, 2012 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Aquacheeka .... Saturn conjunct south node is powerful. But, beware, it is a double edged sword. It will keep you together, that is for sure. But it will also keep you from splitting long after the point when your rational mind tells you to leave. I speak from experience of 30 years marriage where we have a saturn conjunct south node in a double whammy. There is such a strong karmic pull. It would appear that we have some heavy karmic obligations to pay back to one another before our debt is released - payment that can only be repaid through learning to love in the face of vigorous life lessons. Do not go into this relationship lightly.
Well, actually that seems pretty accurate  . Tell me, is this heavy sense of karmic obligation felt more strongly on one side or do both the Saturnian and the SN person feel it equally strongly?
The word I would use to describe my situation is "inescapable." Being a Uranian/Venusian type myself, I tend to feel Saturn pretty quickly and it doesn't take long for me to feel my spirits get depressed from it, to feel the "drag." In addition to Saturn in the 7th, we also have NN in the first in our composite, so I guess you could say karma is a running theme in our relationship, yes. It feels like we didn't so much as make a conscious decision to stick it out no matter what as that this is just the way it's going to be like it or not, and it feels like if you struggle against it, you're only going to make things harder on yourself. If I could go back in time I maybe would have thought harder on entering it. It's not that I'm unhappy or that it's not rewarding, it's just that it feels like it's work to be together, and being the Venusian person that I am, I would prefer it if it was just easier. Is it possible to burn off karma or does it always take a Saturn cycle of at least 29 years?
I guess we're lucky in the sense that we also have Uranus in the 7th to lend some relief to all the heaviness (Venus-Pluto sq. as well in the composite). We have no planets in the fifth in our composite, though.
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Aquacheeka
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posted August 07, 2012 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I'm sorry, dear one, but I must decline your request. My opinions here are 0. Better ask for one to someone else. Sorry again.
Well I mean, I still want to hear what you have to say. So that's 1. IP: Logged |
bumblebee
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posted August 07, 2012 02:35 PM
This were touching stories! And a little bit scary....So there is gotta be an astrological way to see when actually saturn relationships come to an end.
What aspects in progressed charts or transits would they be? Something like an aspect of progressed or transiting planet to the synastry configuration IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted August 07, 2012 02:49 PM
Aquacheeka....I don't know exactly because our situation is a double whammy. But I think it is the saturn person who feels obligated to the south node person. The south node person has a hold over saturn. If you believe in karma arising from past lives, it may be that during a prior incarnation this pair were in a situation where south node either did something that put saturn in his/her debt (eg. saved saturn's life or looked after saturn when ill or something like that) OR saturn did something bad to south node that they still have residual guilt about (eg. saturn jilted south node in a past life and they now want to make amends). Saturn might grow to resent the obligation they feel for south node , or might even repeat old patterns and not move forward from this. In the best case, saturn will balance their karma with south node honourably with love and understanding, no matter what personal sacrifices or hardships need to be faced. I think you and ueharaa are quite right when you say that this aspect indicates that circumstances will seem to conspire to keep you bound together for as long as your soul (as opposed to your conscious will) needs you to be together. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted August 07, 2012 02:58 PM
my parents have that. my mum`s Saturn exactly conjunct my Dad`s SN and Mars (and my Pluto on the very same degree, all on 9 Libra).They also have my Dad`s Saturn conjunct her Venus and Mars, and her Saturn trine his Venus.
But they have some nice stuff as well, well maybe not their Sun-Sun-square. lol
But my Dad`s Moon opposes her Sun.
her Venus conjunct his ASC. His Mercury trines her Venus. her Jupiter on his NN sextile his Sun. Just basically some nice stuff. they have been married for 38 years and are still happy and in love with each other (of course there is some nagging as well, Aquarius-Sun vs Scorpio Sun comes out in some temperamental differences) IP: Logged |
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