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ueharaa
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posted August 08, 2012 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't remember on which thread I had been inked to this site http://darkstarastrology.com/solar-return-charts-interpretation/ but I remember someone was requesting for a solar return reading and another person advised her to use the precessed one.

I was very intrigued and began investigating the accuracy of precessed charts vs non-precessed but couldn't find much info on the former.

Which one do you use the most and which have you found to be the most accurate? You can also look at previous solar return and precess them to see if they're more fitting

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ueharaa
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posted August 13, 2012 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nobody uses precessed solar return charts ?

I found the link with the info : http://darkstarastrology.com/solar-return-charts-interpretation/

The precessed solar return chart is very different from the solar return one because the ascendant and house cusps change.

I'll get around, and post my past few years solar return, precessed and non- precessed, if anyone is interested in comparing the two. I have a few idea of what each indicate, where the difference lies and where they both indicate the same thing.

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posted August 15, 2012 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started using precessed this year after having a couple years where my solar returns were sooooo off. Still waiting to see how things pan out this year to be sure but I think if you can find the common threads which run through both types then you're on to something

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posted August 16, 2012 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lava Flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Year I got married:
Processed: Uranus is making a conjunction 3* to the MC. Uranus is my natal 7th house ruler and the marriage was sudden.
Regular: had mars right on the ASC.

Year I had my child-
Processed: Venus and Uranus conjunct DSC and Moon conjunct Chiron in the 6th, asteroid child in the 1st.
Regular: Mars was conjunct Cancer ASC (and 2 degrees away from my natal moon), and moon conjunct chiron was in the 8th (I have heard the moon-chiron conjunct implies the birth of a child) The 8th makes sense too because I had a really rough pregnancy, delivery and recovery. Jupiter in the 5th. And at the time my daughter was born, T-Jupiter was in my 5th. Also a side-note, the asteroid child was retrograde and exactly conjunct my SN, I think that's sooo cool!!

Year my friends mom died.
Processed: Venus right on the MC.
Regular: Saturn right on the MC. Moon, the ruler of the 8th, in the 8th and making an exact trine to the sun in the 4th.

I will come back to edit in more details as I find them, but right now astro.com is down.

I have looked into this in the past, and my results were inconclusive. There were years when there were glaring implications for change, and yet, nothing happened They say you should be looking for the aspects from the solar return to activate your natal or progressed chart, because otherwise, its not happening.

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ueharaa
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posted August 18, 2012 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is very interesting!!
I agree that if you find repeating patterns from one chart to another then it definitely points to something going on.

But I definitely had the feeling that the precessed chart was more accurate "at first sight" if I may say.

I'm not married, and don't have children so I can't provide any personal info for this type of big changing life event, but the past 2 years have been quite challenging in themselves somehow so here it goes:

2009/2010
That year I finally succeeded entrance exams (for which I had encountered major failure the year before) this was a huge step because it implied moving away and basically starting a new life.
During this year I also "fell in love" (grr I hate those words, seriously..) (but no relationship) I believe it was a sort of fated meeting because it had a huge impact on me during that year and the year later.
Non precessed
SR ASC falls in Natal 11th house
SR Moon cjct SR asc and trines SR MC
SR Sun,Venus, Pluto conjucnt in 8th house squared by Saturn in 5th
SR Mercury cjct NN in 9th house
Natal Venus cjct SR MC
Natal Mars opp SR Asc/Moon

Precessed
SR Asc falls in my 2nd House very close to my 3rd house cusp.
SR Sun, Venus, Pluto conjuncts in the 5th house square Saturn in the 2nd
SR Moon in the 10th house cjct Natal Anti-Vertex
SR Vertex cjct my Natal Dsc
SR IC cjct natal Pluto

I think the precessed is more telling in this case, the SR vertex on my dsc (turning point in my view of relationships?), Pluto cjct the SR IC (deep transformation surrounding the home?)
The Sun, Venus, and Pluto conjunction in the 5th seems more telling than the 8th because I was very focused on romance and love. It definitely was a big theme (though 8th house relates to this in a deeper way too?) while the Moon in the 10th seems more fitting to the fact hat in spite of it all what mattered the most was my "career" and "public image"


2010/2011

This year was a very restless year. I traveled A LOT. I was incessantly moving back and forth between towns. It's rather incredible the number of train tickets I have bought in 12 months. I had a lot of money coming in and huge amount coming out. I struggled with depression, which had a lot of bad impacts on my life. Honestly even when I look back I have a hard time making sense of that year. I was sort of lost and confused and deeply dissatisfied with everything and yet was very restless, and a lot more sociable. I was also very impulsive. As a result I quit everything and started over.

Non Precessed
SR Asc falls in the 2nd house
SR Sun, Pluto, Mars and Vertex conjunct each other in the 5th house
SR Saturn in the 3rd house square Mars in the 5th
SR Moon in the 3rd house (29° libra)
SR Venus square the Asc
Natal Saturn cjct SR Mars/vertex
Natal Pluto cjct SR Venus in 4th house(4° orb though)

Precessed
SR Asc falls on 5th house cusp
SR Moon in Scorpio in 12th house cjct the asc
SR Saturn on the 12th house cusp square Mars in the 3rd house
SR Sun, Pluto conjunction in the 2nd house
SR Venus square the MC
SR Vertex opp Natal Vertex
SR MC cjct natal South Node
Natal Pluto cjct SR Venus in 1st house (4° orb)


Here again, I definitely feel that the precessed is more accurate. The saturn on the 12th house cusp could indicate the depression and squaring mars in the 3rd house (and also my natal Saturn) it could point to the restlessness I felt in contacting people, moving a lot, but feeling empty inside. The moon in scorpio being cjct the asc from the 12th house is also quite telling of the emotional urges I had during this year I think.
Also the SR Vertex and MC connection to my natal Vertex and Nodes might be quite telling.

I was born late December so my solar return always applies for the year to come (my 2009/2010 solar return is for 2010) however I have read that a solar return starts being felt 3 months before it actually happens. I'm not sure of this but September/October of each year has always felt like a new starting point for me.

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