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Faith
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posted August 09, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a theory I've been wondering about...

Like, are strong Mercury contacts particularly important to Gemini and Virgo?

Are Venus aspects more significant for Taurus/Libra?

What do you think?

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posted August 09, 2012 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure,

Chart influences are important because they are at the core of how we relate, feel, communicate.

That's why you can see people with certain suns behave in a manner that doesn't necessarily fit with their sign because they may have overwleming chart influences in other signs.

This gets into planets in detriment, fall, exaltation, domicile, as well as planetary aspects.

You could have a Aries Sun have a Taurus ascendant and have many planets aligning in say Pisces and you may come off as very Piscean despite your sun in Aries and asc in Taurus.

Same goes for say a Cancer Sun whose sun falls in the 8th house and who has lots of scorpionic influences. You may be a Cancer sun but your actions will tend to be scorpionic nature.

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posted August 09, 2012 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I followed that, thanks.

My question is more about synastry.

Like, I had Mercury trine Mercury exact with a Virgo ex. Does that aspect, in synastry, carry more weight with someone who's sun sign is ruled by Mercury?

Not sure if I am being clear here.

I'm a Cap, ruled by Saturn. I feel like Saturn is a key planet in the synastry between my husband and I: his Saturn is conjunct my Venus-Neptune, my Saturn is widely conjunct his sun (7 degrees.)

So if you are an Aquarius, do Uranus aspects in synastry mean more to you?

And if a Pisces, do the Neptune aspects matter more?

Like that.

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posted August 09, 2012 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheManticore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting theory! Sounds like it makes sense to me, I would not be a good person to ask about this though. Being a Leo Sun, it rules itself so there is no complexity or advanced meaning to it .

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posted August 10, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, with this theory, it would just mean that sun signs are what carry the most weight with you.

I think that's true of everyone, but double for you.

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posted August 10, 2012 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, though I wouldn´t limit it to the Sun-sign. But of course Sun (and Moon) carry a lot of importance, so their dispositor might be more central than of other planets.

In romantic relationships however it is always interesting to see what the dispositors of Venus and Mars are doing.

(I am talking about the planetary dispositors here; of course houses and their rulers are significant as well).

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posted August 10, 2012 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not unless decans and duads are taken into consideration.

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posted August 10, 2012 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like this theory Faith, and I would go as far as to say it carries more weight with all parties involved in the synastry.

A quick Note regarding decans: If your planets are aspecting, your decans and duads should also "aspect".

Example:
Sun Sag 11 degrees |Decan Aries |Duad Aries
Moon Virgo 11 degrees |Decan Capricorn |Duad Capricorn

The sign/decan/duad of the Sun in the above example, squares the sign/decan/duad of the Moon (This is not the case 100% of the time though, especially if the orb for the aspect is wide), so the relationship between two planets should be reflected in their sub-elements.

Getting back to your theory though Faith, A planet's sign carries with it a strong flavor of the sign's ruler. If your Mercury is trine someone else's Mercury then the way you relate with that person is "Mercurial". If that person happens to be a Gemini or Virgo, they feel natural or "at home" with Mercury. It would therefor follow that Mercury aspects would apply, not only to this person's Mercury, but to their Sun by proxy. Not only would this person connect with your communicative facilities, they would feel more like their self around you, naturally understood, better voiced, and more capable of expressing with genuineness. The other parties involved would likely experience something similar.

To put the feeling into perspective, imagine you are a med student. In your everyday life you are capable of interacting with non-med students, but when you meet another med student an automatic rapport forms. There would be a lot to talk about. Regardless of your personalities, the two of you would have strong life-experience similarities, and if a passer-by heard your conversation it would almost sound like another language. Now imagine you met a seasoned doctor, someone who was a professional of your unique skill. To them you would bring a feeling of freshness, they could see a lot of their self in you. You on the other hand, could respect their perspective, relate with their experiences, trust their point of view, and possibly even emulate them. In both cases, all involved feel they are associating with "their people", but in the case of the professional there is an additional element of respect.

My best friend is a Leo and our Suns are trine, I relate to her in a more "Solar" way than I do with other Sagittarians. With my Sag friends we goof off like dumb dorky Sagis, philosophize, and travel places together. With my Leo friend we discuss our selves and how we hope to develop. I see in her a person who has their stuff together in a way I respect and even slightly envy. And to top it off she is a horse trainer, so I have learned a lot about the Sagittarius archetype, just by being interested in her profession. By teaching me how to ride a horse, she has essentially taught me how to reign in my own personality.

On the other hand, she has Saturn 12 House conjunct her ASC. She has always felt very structured and a bit stifled, when we hang out, I remind her of an earlier time in her life where she didn't take things so seriously. I make that feeling fresh for her again, and she is able to relax and shine through all those structures.

So...yeah =)

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posted August 10, 2012 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I'm a Leo Sun. Mostly I have been interested in fixed signs. Which all make hard aspects to my sun. Could apply for me!

Also I seem to have a little bit of a Venus trine Pluto tendency in love. That would cover my Taurus moon and Scorpio rising too

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posted August 10, 2012 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheManticore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, with this theory, it would just mean that sun signs are what carry the most weight with you.

I think that's true of everyone, but double for you.


Probably true, there are definitely Sun signs I could not be with .

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posted August 10, 2012 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, good observation.

Like Manticore, I'm also a Leo Sun, so it gets more convoluted that way. But my bf is a Taurus Sun and I "activate" his Venus.

My Sun is square his Sun, trine Neptune and opposite Pluto.

His Venus in Aries is tightly trine my Leo Sun, Mercury and exactly conjunct my Aries Mars and square Neptune.

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posted August 10, 2012 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the feedback, people!

@Vertiver, that is exactly what I meant. Yes, for a Taurus with Venus in Aries, Leo sun is perfect for "activating" that Venus.

@Xiiro,

Well...you just rock my world. Thank you for that post.

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I make that feeling fresh for her again, and she is able to relax and shine through all those structures.

Right, right! And how nice!

As a Sag, is your Jupiter more of a key player in relationships, do you think?

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posted August 10, 2012 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do agree with this to an extent. I think if someone has a large amount of a sign or planet...then it would be true in that case. For instance if someone is heavily Cancer ruled (lets say, Mer, Venus, Mars) but they have an Aries Sun. It would most likely be better if you heavily aspected their moon.

Another example I have is Gemini emn and women (with heavy Gemini) tend to like me, and I like them as well. As do Mercury ruled signs in general.

I've dated a few Gemini men, one with Sun/Venus in Gemini, and Virgo Rising. He had his Mercury in Cancer Conjunct my Cancer Sun/Rising/Mars. So in short he loved talking to me despite the fact that my poor Leo Mercury overtook and hurt his Cancer Mercury many times lol.

Another example is I dated another Gemini who had his Sun/Moon/Venus there. He also had his Mercury in Cancer aspecting my stellium as well. And he didn't want to let go. Same with a guy I dated who was a Virgo Moon, his Pisces Mercury positively aspected most of my chart. And he as well loved talking to me, and we got very close emotionally with Trine Moons, and Moon Conjunct Asc (despite him being a Aqua Sun). So in general I would say that this is true.

**Edit to add**
I think this would also be true of the Rising sign and the planet that rules it. For instance lets say you have a Libra rising, aspects to your Venus would be hugely attractive as Venus is your ruling planet.

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posted August 11, 2012 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
@Xiiro...As a Sag, is your Jupiter more of a key player in relationships, do you think?

I haven't noticed. For how into astrology I am, I tend to forget to consider looking up people's charts until after we part ways; I barely know my parent's charts (I know, I know...Bad astrologer!).

I think people may be interested in me for my Jupiter energy. It seems to be easy for people to forget that I am just as anti-social as I am social. When I feel like retreating or being alone, some of my friends have difficulty understanding. It's as if they were relying on me to bring the helium for their balloons. My Leo friend can get particularly perturbed, because we met in high school, so she was one of the people I used to party with. Now that I have grown up a bit, I am much less inclined to go out to random places where I can get psychically tangled up in the vibes of hundreds of drunk or rowdy people. For a while she used to take it personally, until I explained to her the difference between her having Sun in the 11th and me having Sun in the 8th. After I explained that I need solitude and introversion as much as she needs crowds and massive socialization she stopped getting offended and trying to make me feel guilty for not going places with massive crowds of people. She seemed oddly relieved to hear that I understood she NEEDED to be out in a crowd, but I just couldn't maintain that for her all the time and take care of my own needs.

My Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, but is also retrograde so it walks with a bit of a limp. I am not sure I take much notice in my Jupiterian interactions with others as my Jupiter is at its best when it is internalized. If I do play with Jupiter energy, it likely manifests through Mercury (Which directly opposes Jupiter in my chart). I can certainly see Mercury in my relationships.

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posted August 11, 2012 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a stellium in Sag, including my Sun, and Jupiter is in Pisces, having the most essential dignity in my chart; I definitely need strong Jupiter aspects in my synastries, yes. And yes usually, though not always, it is my Jupiter aspecting their planets. It is not just that I support them, but if they aspect my Jupiter they connect to a very vital part of my personality. And I mean that literally, I feel vitalized and recharged by these aspects to my Jupiter.

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posted August 11, 2012 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GrlyGrl: With your sun's ruler being the moon in Leo, do you notice a preference for fire and air moon signs?

@Xiiro:

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I think people may be interested in me for my Jupiter energy.

I'll be that's true.

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It seems to be easy for people to forget that I am just as anti-social as I am social.

I see...Jupiter is expansive but Cancer is reclusive. That makes sense.

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I am not sure I take much notice in my Jupiterian interactions with others as my Jupiter is at its best when it is internalized. If I do play with Jupiter energy, it likely manifests through Mercury (Which directly opposes Jupiter in my chart). I can certainly see Mercury in my relationships.

Astounding that you have that level of self-awareness. I hope to attain that sometime, but I don't have a Virgo moon so...my inner blob is likely to remain blobular. Best I can do is read what other people who are inwardly-organized say, and marvel. ...So thanks!

@ Ceridwen:

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It is not just that I support them, but if they aspect my Jupiter they connect to a very vital part of my personality. And I mean that literally, I feel vitalized and recharged by these aspects to my Jupiter.

That fascinates me. I'm jealous, I want to have a light-up Jupiter that I can feel, too!

You're lucky to be ruled by a benefic planet. Not sure Saturn synastry is quite as fun...


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posted October 15, 2012 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made a thread about this a few years ago using the same example, mercurial placements.

Being that mercury rules my sun, mercury, and ascendant, contacts to my mercury are important to me. Whenever I have mercury trine mercury with someone, its always such an amazing rapport between us.

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posted October 15, 2012 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Nice to meet you, I've got Aquarius mercury (and I started this thread...so great minds think alike! )

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posted October 15, 2012 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Nice to meet you, I've got Aquarius mercury (and I started this thread...so great minds think alike! )

:-) nice to meet you as well!

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posted October 16, 2012 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes it makes sense, the best synastry I had was with someone whose mars conjunct my sun tightly , in Aries. It was very strong ... i guess I wouldn't have felt it strongly if my core (sun) wasn't in aries

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