posted August 15, 2012 08:42 AM            

And I was wondering what in the sky would point to that (and yes, Pluto was on my mind instantly. lol but maybe someone else could give me their view?).

the solar arcs and progressions

the transits

And I`d like to learn about YOUR kathartic moments and their astrology as well. Maybe there is a common factor?

posted August 15, 2012 09:15 AM            

I can tell you about my cathartic periods - they all involve Pluto. And I have significant Nep natally,to have my cathartic moments performed by other planet,and they are Scorpio/Pluto in nature or transit.

posted August 15, 2012 01:13 PM            

I had a moment (ahem) earlier in the yr when the T sq of Moon/Merc-Saturn, was conj my N square of Moon/Venus-Mars/Saturn/Pluto (N Moon out of orb to N Mars). I blame Mercury first and foremost, and then the Moon.
So both times Ceri the T Moon was sq our natal Pluto, along with the transits replicating a natal dynamic, bearing down on our natal. Unfortunately I don't have the exact time for that incident, but the transiting Moon is valid since the episode lasted for 2 days, so both T Moon/Merc got a chance to move around and do their duty

posted August 16, 2012 12:07 PM            

"Pluto/Ura sq is in aspect to your nPluto,H12 ruler. (or you rather do the rulerships tradionally?)"
I do both. At least for now.

Anyway yes this Pluto/Ur - n Pluto seems to be a biggie, especially since it is also tied to my n Venus and pr ASC. I definitely think that this was the background "music", and probably the transiting Moon-Venus-conjunction opposing tr Pluto and n Venus and pr ASC brought it to a culmination.
A big fat Grand Cross involving Pluto, Uranus and the emotional/ relational planets.

" can tell you about my cathartic periods - they all involve Pluto. "
Yes, I can say the same for me, though Uranus often lends a hand for things to taking up some speed in my case.

"Usually they come under heavy Pluto transits (tPluto sq nMerc period,and the trigger is DW - tMerc in aspect to nPluto)"
I start thinking that these are extremely important, the DW`´s especially as Tr Mercury is moving quickly and could act as a timing-tool.

I also think that maybe if the transits mirror a natal configuration AND aspect it, that might be another hint at the possible time of "ex-or-implosion".

posted August 16, 2012 03:46 PM            

"So both times Ceri the T Moon was sq our natal Pluto, along with the transits replicating a natal dynamic, bearing down on our natal."
Thank you for that.

I honestly didn`?t even realize that not only a natal dynamic was mirrored in the transits (Venus-Pluto), but that it was also aspecting my natal configuration. And Tr Moon triggering it all off. Makes total sense.

Actually I just learned that the same day a good friend of mine was being delivered to hospital, because of chestpain and heartfibrallations.

Her natal Moon is on 7 Cancer in 12th house, and the transiting Moon/Venus was conjunct it, tr Pluto opposing it, Tr Uranus squaring it!
Tr Pluto was of course in her 6th house, and also ruling her natal 6th house-

Her SA Sun is on 5 Aries, tying into this (and ruling her 4th house, as well as Leo-Mars, traditional ruler of 6th house)

Actually she has a very challenging natal configuration, which of course moved along in the directions

SA Sun on 5 Aries
SA Saturn on 3 Aries

Sa Mars on 4 Libra

Sa Neptune on 5 Cap

Though maybe the transiting Uranus and Pluto are already too far off?

"f I can detach for a second, then I will do that (!)"
I estimated the time actually later on.
I was watching "PS, I love you" when a certain line suddenly brought that implosion forth (though I had sensed something building up for quite some weeks actually).
So It is an appr. time, but it would make sense if the Tr ASC was really conjunct my IC; it might have been earlier though.

Plus after that it wasn`t finished, well the razor-like feeling lessened somewhat, but then the serious thinking set in.
Actually I was having that image inside my mind as if my inner Self was sitting me down and have a serious talk with me, about some things. It was a very honest talk, and no easy answers allowed!
No do not worry, I am not shizophrenic.

"ut with that one, I literally felt like razors were in my skin"

Yes, well, I was crying (and I haven`t cried at least for a year), and not just a bit of sniffling, I was literally shaken by sobs. Not for hours or so, but it usually is not typical for me sitting in a hotelroom and sobbing like this.
But it felt very cleansing afterwards, very necessary.

posted August 16, 2012 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by bhanna1110:
About this time last year pluto was on the cusp entering my 9th house. I was in the throes of major depression and had no idea this transit was occuring. Within this emotional pain it became so intense that I i cried out "god i surrender all of this too you" with complete sincerity, rather shocking because I was basically agnostic at the time. So I did exactly what I said I would and just surrendered, the pain wasnt my problem anymore so i just let it be. Gradually the pain left and I felt a precense of pure understanding and love, i cried with joy and the precense stayed for a while. After that i immediatly was very spiritually minded and I found the non-dual teachings of hinduism.

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what a beautiful story! (well the end of it at least). And I think that is what the purpose of these kathartic moments is, this transformation, or rather this "becoming who you are".

posted August 16, 2012 03:52 PM            

SA Jupiter on Chiron you think?

But there was no actual momentary trigger to that conjunction as far as I see it.
The tr Mars/Saturn conjunction might be too wide, I think?

However, I should keep that SA Jupiter on Chiron in view, cause my Chiron is squaring my Vertex and Eros on 21 Cancer, and also squares my Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Cap.
Something might strive for a resolution there, as well.

posted August 16, 2012 04:54 PM            

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Re-evaluating spiritual direction in light of past mental mishaps where you depended on analysis and irrelevant details to get you through an association that should have been seen as part of the bigger picture in terms of your true path. There's confusion over which way to proceed in this, if you should really break ties, as you're inclined to keep the contact but you're being steered again to focus on yourself. The issue with breaking the contact in the mental sense is that it brings up a feeling that all future associations in terms of partnering will be lost, SN 7th. But you have another association here SN ruler Mercury and Sun H9 ruler conj in the 1st. The focus on self will naturally bring in the partner when the energy is being used to its fullest potential. If this is so, then I'm sure you can see how that combo could correlate to you not being as invisible as you think. Also when you consider Neptune as secondary H3 ruler conj NN/ASC. The issue with this I think is that your NN ruler is sq your Nodes from the 3rd, mimics to me the SN in Gemini, taking the mental focus away from yourself and centering it in the other or in a dreamscape.

You know that you have a DW of Jupiter/Chiron, right?
T Chiron 8 Pisces (Rx now, partile 3/30/13 plus or minus a day) but it was 9 a few mos ago, N Jupiter 11 Pisces
SA Jupiter 19 Aries, N Chiron 20 Aries (this one is deep since it's in the 4th)
This is indicative of major healing going on. I believe you when you say you're processing a lot right now.
I really think you're re-orienting right now in a major way.
But again there's a test it seems since T Neptune secondary H3 ruler is coming up to sq ASC/DSC having you confused at the prospect of how you see yourself in relation to others. In your 3rd and sq Mars/Neptune may be difficult to process as it doesn't seem real, the path is not clearly paved, so there's work involved while this is valid. Mars ruling the 4th has me concerned for your home life and the situation with the parents, and it touches on the healing needed with Jup/Chiron in the 4th and emotional wounds.
You know what else will be going on, is t.Saturn making a grand trine from your 12th in Scorp:
Saturn in the 8th and Jupiter in the 3rd (afflicted NN ruler).
This is another phase of the healing process for you.
I 'm going through something similar with a grand trine in my water houses coming up with t.Saturn Scorp when Jupiter gets to Cancer.
Another thing, is that your SA ASC is opp N Saturn, 1 deg applying. This is bringing H8 Saturn and everything it implies to the fore in the form of someone new, so who is that person/are they here yet? They'll be playing a pivotal role in your development. Saturn is trine Jupiter in the 3rd, from the 8th to the 3rd, a person you can share intimacies with. The sq to Pluto is a bit wide for my tastes. The inconj to Moon is valid, challenging you to open up.
And on top of all this t.Pluto is on your P.Asc? If I had your chart I'd be poring over it every extra minute.

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Something else happened that shockingly suddenly made me aware of how I am "integrated" in the flow of life, and how being affected by things or rather people does not always only flow one way (they affecting me), but that I am actually not really invisible, even though I like to think so most of the time.
Not sure how to process that new kind of insight.

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Now I just stumbled on the fact that I completely left out SA Uranus. My personal experience with Uranus SA to Neptune is that it brings the supernatural or mysterious, an experience that if you recount to normal people (astrologers excluded) they will likely think that you were on drugs and in need of spiritual counseling, or holy water. If it's not supernatural (or whatever term you prefer for that type of experience) then it's likely to be awe-inspiring. But if it's conj your NN in Sadge in the 1st then it's crucial for your development. My conjunction was in Sagittarius too, but in my 5th (Neptune rules the 9th, in Sadge in the 5th). I know you've had certain experiences already so I would say just do your regular thing, let your mind be open to receive what the universe wants to put on your plate in case this does turn out to be what's coming to you. And if you're in the mood for something funny in this realm (funny=interesting), check out the directed chart of Saint Catherine along with a page open for the transits for when she had her experiences.

posted August 16, 2012 08:57 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I can say the same for me, though Uranus often lends
a hand for things to taking up some speed in my case.

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posted August 17, 2012 05:56 AM            

wow! What an analysis!
How didn`t I see this before?
You said you posted it somewhere before, right?

" The issue with breaking the contact in the mental sense is that it brings up a feeling that all future associations in terms of partnering will be lost, SN 7th."
You have no idea, how right you are about this!
Though it is not a thought about an actual breaking-contact; it has more to do with reorientation of my mindset concerning relationships, what I need in relationships, and most of all it has to do with that quite unhealthy trait of thinking I SHOULD or SHOULD NOT feel a certain way, instead of just accepting what I DO feel.

It is all really just playing inside my own mind and soul and perception, but maybe it was not cathartic, as Venus Di Sirius said, but it left me shaken, cause the mindset, the feelings I left behind I KNEW; the new that is on the horizon I don´t know, I have no behavourial modes, no familiar routines to cling to, cause I simply have no real experience. Or haven`t had for many years. It`s plainly scary, to be honest.
Feeling, without a safety net? Whithout a reason or rhyme? Without any idea of where this is getting me into?
Scary.

"is But you have another association here SN ruler Mercury and Sun H9 ruler conj in the 1st."
You know what is intersting? The guy who triggered all this in me actually has his Sun-Moon-MC-conjunction falling onto my Sun-Mercury-conjunction (all within 3 degrees at most).

"You know that you have a DW of Jupiter/Chiron, right?"
You`re right. I didn`t really see that before.

"T Chiron 8 Pisces (Rx now, partile 3/30/13 plus or minus a day) but it was 9 a few mos ago, N Jupiter 11 Pisces"
And probably I am not at the end of the process yet.

"SA Jupiter 19 Aries, N Chiron 20 Aries (this one is deep since it's in the 4th)"
Yes, I actually have a "Thor`s Hammer", Chiron in 4th squaring Vertex-Eros in 8th, both sesisquare Mars, IC-rule, in 12th.
I guess SA Jupiter might act as a trigger for this, bringing it to the foreground. And with it happening in the 4th house, there is a really deep re-evaluation going on.

"there's a test it seems since T Neptune secondary H3 ruler is coming up to sq ASC/DSC having you confused at the prospect of how you see yourself in relation to others."
Well, THAT will feel quite familiar. I am always confused about how others see me or I see myself in relation to others.

"Mars ruling the 4th has me concerned for your home life and the situation with the parents, and it touches on the healing needed with Jup/Chiron in the 4th and emotional wounds."
Yes, but I can´t see what it could be as of now. I can`t do anything to prevent the transit from happening anyway.
But my IC has really been through quite a lot recently.
Square to Tr Pluto, conjunct Tr Uranus and now its ruler will receive a square from Tr Neptune. *sighs*

Though it might not be just my family and home life (though I guess there will be something happening), but might directly affect the very core of my soul.

"Another thing, is that your SA ASC is opp N Saturn, 1 deg applying."
Oh yes, riht. I forgot, Saturn on SA DESC soon. *sighs* Doesn`t look too easygoing, right?

" This is bringing H8 Saturn and everything it implies to the fore in the form of someone new, so who is that person/are they here yet?"
Either they are not here yet, or this relates to my "human trigger", because I did start looking much more closely at the issues connected with that Saturn, which I never noticed just HOW important it is in my chart.

In mutual accidental reception with my Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house, even in mutual essential reception if I use traditional rulers. And these two planets are at the head of my "relational/ emotional - dispositor tree" (while Jupiter in Pisces is at the head of the other, including Sun, Mercury, Mars etc.).

Luckily Saturn and Jupiter are at least trine. Maybe if Tr Saturn is going to make that GT with my Saturn and Jupiter it will be a good opportunity to strengthen the connection between those two. Though Tr Saturn of course will also be squaring Moon, and I really hate this aspect.

" The inconj to Moon is valid, challenging you to open up."
That is definitely the core issue at hand.

"And on top of all this t.Pluto is on your P.Asc?"
Yes.
Pr ASC is 8.43 Cap, Tr Pluto is 7.12 Cap. Currently retro, but it will change directions sometime. This transit will accompany for quite some time to come, actually things are pointing pretty much at 2013 to be a real big one. Maybe I should check my SR for this one as well. lol

BTW speaking of Tr Pluto on my pr ASC. It is also tied to PR Proserpina, which is conjunct on 9.04 Cap.

"If I had your chart I'd be poring over it every extra minute."
What do you mean? STudy it more?
Funnily I haven`t even delved into it that much. lol

"It's back there conj your IC around 11/14/12 and 1/11/13."
Yes, I feel like this is just the beginning. Just hoping it will be a good development.

"I know you've had certain experiences already so I would say just do your regular thing, let your mind be open to receive what the universe wants to put on your plate in case this does turn out to be what's coming to you"
Yes, that is what I am doing.
Very interesting dreams lately.
Actually I had never been dreaming of so many dead people (not deceased relatives, just people who were dead, and violently murdered I might add) like two weeks ago. At least he dreams of death have stopped, and my dreams have taken a much more calm direction now. Still very intense though.

"And if you're in the mood for something funny in this realm (funny=interesting), check out the directed chart of Saint Catherine along with a page open for the transits for when she had her experiences."
Now I am curious. If I have more time I will.

"Turning over a new leaf."
Yes, I guess it is time for that leap of faith.

posted August 17, 2012 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
And how is your friend, BTW.
My friend's father passed on when my friend's P Moon Libra fell in line with the Uranus/Pluto sq, while T Saturn was sq his N Moon.

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posted August 17, 2012 07:31 AM            

"The daily emotional accumulation is not as strong in release,since the venting/cathartic is almost regular"
Well, I do have these moments on a regular basis, too. Maybe that is the reason I could check for the time. lol

"- with artistic expression,when not having blocks"
Yeah, big writer`s block here. For what reason ever.

" they are fully into their spiritual/self-discovering/artistic mode,and that's quite...normal to them. "
Yes, that is true for me.
But that is actually not my core issue. the core issue revolves around interpersonal emotional relating.

"(so I'd pay attention to H1/6 ruler as well)"
Well, they are triggered as well. Jupiter rules 1st house, Venus rules 6th and 5th and 10th.

"You can't feel it,or comprehend it"
But neither can you feel pure Neptune or Pluto - you experience them through the personal planets they aspect and colour.
So in my case I connect to Pluto through my Venus, mainly.

"Still,wouldn't call it catharsis,because of the nature of Uranus' tension"
No, I wouldn´t though either, though a certain transformation might occur. Just in the typical Uranus electric, flash-of-lightening fashion.
Certainly a totally different experience than to Pluto or even Neptune.

posted August 17, 2012 07:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Well I think when it comes to triggers, a lot of the time (unless it's the Vertex being triggered) there may be a bunch of planets/asteroids coming together at the same time. So perhaps Chiron/Jupiter was just a part of it. Like, maybe it set the stage for the other planetary energies to come through more strongly? It would also depend on the nature of the catharsis too I suppose

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posted August 17, 2012 05:38 PM            

"Though it might not be just my family and home life (though I guess there will be something happening), but might directly affect the very core of my soul."
---True, and it could also come in the form of revelations (either from soul/higher self or from family member), which then affect how you define yourself and what that means for how you see the everyday world and the interactions therein (H1 Mars ruling H4 sq T Neptune co-ruler of H3 transiting through H3). This is also in line with Neptune sq Asc/Dsc since it will be in orb for that as well.

"I did start looking much more closely at the issues connected with that Saturn, which I never noticed just HOW important it is in my chart."
---Just a from me on this one. But since it's the Dsc I have trouble thinking it won't manifest via someone you meet since it is the house of the other. But I guess it's possible. To me, the whole idea of the Dsc when looking at this type of arc is that it brings the issue to light via someone in a way that you hadn't expected, since you're typically operating all the way over on the other side. Someone knocks on the door, you open it, and they say 'Hey, I'm your H8 Saturn here to stay for a bit. What's goin on?' And then you get a yr or so of thinking 'They weren't kidding, now I feel that inconj to Aqua Moon in the 2nd, trine to Pisces Jupiter in the 3rd, and it's all Me. Yes I see it in them but it's really my energy, and now that I'm aware, I can take back the projection and do something about it.' But it's not yet exact. So maybe I'm pre-empting this and it's still on its way. It should be H8 tho, it should be Saturn in Cancer there, so look for themes of intimacy + fear. Look for someone who puts the importance of their emotional life on the back burner to take care of/nurture others, and denies their right to express themselves in that way. You'll see the drawbacks of how in taking care of those close to them, they forget about themselves in the process and how that acts as a deterrent for closer ties. Saturn rules your 2nd so the person might be involved in your finances somehow, or a banker, someone who identifies with a H2 role, maybe they're very security oriented, which would be in line with Cancer/H8 too. They might be going through a financial hardship, their father might have just passed on, or there's a connection to their father + their finances that eats away at their sense of security and ability to form close ties. Play around with the inconj to the Aqua Moon in the 2nd, and the trine to the Pisces Jupiter in the 3rd, these people will show you, to you, via how they act themselves. And how it comes across to you might be exaggerated, but it's to get you to take notice. They might be quite hypersensitive in a way that's unexpected. So it doesn't have to be a potential partner, but I think it will be a person coming into your life who's like that or someone's who's in your life already, but not exaggerated just yet. Maybe you're not close enough to know that side of them. Anyway let me know if this happens.