posted August 21, 2012 04:58 PM            

Anyone have any Saggy stories? Even my rising is in this planet position and I never do this deed. My Scorp moon is stronger then my rising anyway and my Cap nature always kicks in with everyone, usually as finding everyone suspicious. My motto: "Everyone is guilty until proven innocent."

posted August 21, 2012 05:13 PM            

Just wish I were a Sag, so Jupiter would send me treats every day

Knew some girl actually who thought people's best choice would be to make her their best friend, she was really over-the-top, inflicted herself too much

posted August 21, 2012 05:45 PM            

And another...

And another...

And another again...

posted August 21, 2012 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Capricorn Sun:
lol no the sag could not make my life better.. besides im way too much enthralled with a scorpion who is being difficult..i like the challenge yet i just wanna smack him upside down! sags too me are too blunt, they say that to EVERYONE. sigh...

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The Sags Ive come across have always been total gentlemen towards me, although they were generally somewhat belligerent in a social setting. Not sure about all Sags, but two that are in my social circle are umm very well endowed Especially one, and he does sleep around but he is in no way a womanizer, even though he's very attractive. The other has been in a long term relationship for a few years now.

posted August 21, 2012 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
The Sags Ive come across have always been total gentlemen towards me, although they were generally somewhat belligerent in a social setting. Not sure about all Sags, but two that are in my social circle are umm very well endowed Especially one, and he does sleep around but he is in no way a womanizer, even though he's very attractive. The other has been in a long term relationship for a few years now.

I imagine you and Sags have much in common due to your rising

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posted August 21, 2012 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Lol oh gosh that would crack me up too. I think this is common for the Sag males. Never met a Sag female who does that, and this Sag girl certainly doesnt. I used to work w a Sag Sun Virgo Moon, who thinks he is God's gift to women. He would try picking up on girls, right under his girlfriend's eyes! No shame at all. Then he would be mean & sarcastic, when the girls would turn him down. A real gem. Surprisingly his Virgo girlfriend married him anyways, so I guess in her eyes he is something special lol

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lmfao! Wow that is something! All I can say for her is her self worth must be so shallow and hallow that any man giving her attention is a gem to her. I'm sure she won't even mind when he brings other women home and kicks her out of the bedroom for a couple hours. lmfao!

posted August 21, 2012 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Capricorn Sun:
lmfao! Wow that is something! All I can say for her is her self worth must be so shallow and hallow that any man giving her attention is a gem to her. I'm sure she won't even mind when he brings other women home and kicks her out of the bedroom for a couple hours. lmfao!

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posted August 21, 2012 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
Cap sun you have sag rising? And are pining over a person with a sun in your twelfth !?

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Yes it is true, My Rising is Sagittarius, and my Moon is Scorpion. I am relating better with the Scorpion and obsess over what isn't mine. lmao.. But the Sagittarius wants me bad and thinks he can do whatever it takes to get me. They are quite opposite but I see right through both of them. It comes down to them both wanting me, they just go about it differently. The Scorpion has pride and dignity in keeping himself valued. The Sagittarius does have pride in the adverse effect, as long as it suits him and has no dignity about his reputation at all. They are both funny in their own ways. The Sag talks to me like most people do, sweet galore me to all ends to show me how "shining" they are. In all reality I am used to this behavior. Most males bow before me and I feel like royalty. They know their roles! lol The dang Scorpion does none of this, but he is overly sweet to me which at times I think he is just kissing my ass cuz he either wants something or is scared of me. lmfao! The joys of my life.

posted August 21, 2012 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Capricorn Sun:
Yes it is true, My Rising is Sagittarius, and my Moon is Scorpion. I am relating better with the Scorpion and obsess over what isn't mine. lmao.. But the Sagittarius wants me bad and thinks he can do whatever it takes to get me. They are quite opposite but I see right through both of them. It comes down to them both wanting me, they just go about it differently. The Scorpion has pride and dignity in keeping himself valued. The Sagittarius does have pride in the adverse effect, as long as it suits him and has no dignity about his reputation at all. They are both funny in their own ways. The Sag talks to me like most people do, sweet galore me to all ends to show me how "shining" they are. In all reality I am used to this behavior. Most males bow before me and I feel like royalty. They know their roles! lol The dang Scorpion does none of this, but he is overly sweet to me which at times I think he is just kissing my ass cuz he either wants something or is scared of me. lmfao! The joys of my life.

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That was such a refined message.

I'm surprised there's not a leo moon in you.

posted August 21, 2012 06:35 PM            

I am a Sag and I wouldn't dream of treating people that way. I'm open about my sexual desires when I know its appropriate and I may tell a person I find them attractive, or that I enjoy a specific aspect of their personality. That amount of forwardness though, is incomprehensible to me.

In fact, I am more likely to say nothing when I am fairly positive it is appropriate to share those desires. Maybe it's the Moon in Virgo, or Venus in Scorpio, or even Jupiter in Cancer...

Lioness has mentioned that Sagis approach her with similar forwardness. I have never seen it among the Sagittarians I know though. Where are you guys finding these creepy Sagis?

posted August 21, 2012 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I don't get it,

I am a Sag and I wouldn't dream of treating people that way. I'm open about my sexual desires when I know its appropriate and I may tell a person I find them attractive, or that I enjoy a specific aspect of their personality. That amount of forwardness though, is incomprehensible to me.

In fact, I am more likely to say nothing when I am fairly positive it is appropriate to share those desires. Maybe it's the Moon in Virgo, or Venus in Scorpio, or even Jupiter in Cancer...

Lioness has mentioned that Sagis approach her with similar forwardness. I have never seen it among the Sagittarians I know though. Where are you guys finding these creepy Sagis?

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lmao! They are crawling out of the worm wood and attack! I have no idea where they are coming on out of. I think some just feel they can get away with what they say and do. I find myself letting everyone try their rituals on me, to see how far they go. I don't stop them cuz I usually end up laughing at their attempts at whatever they are doing. I do get amused easily by peoples tactics. If someone really annoys me I will totally avoid them, and if they **** me off enough then I will voice my expressions. My grandfather is a Sag and he is one of the worst forms. Do I have to go there? lol....

posted August 22, 2012 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I don't get it,

I am a Sag and I wouldn't dream of treating people that way. I'm open about my sexual desires when I know its appropriate and I may tell a person I find them attractive, or that I enjoy a specific aspect of their personality. That amount of forwardness though, is incomprehensible to me.

I'm similar in my approach as you, and also have Venus in Scorpio. I wouldn't dream of advancing a person rudely or inappropriately. The douche Sag w Virgo Moon was a past work colleague. I have met other male Sags that behave this way, via work connections.

I observed this behavior directed at other women, as I've never attracted a Sag male or been interested in one romantically. I think this is due to my Sag Sun being on the 12th/1st house cusp. oddly I do attract lots of other Sag women as close friends. I have never met a Sag female who behaved like this, but I'm sure there must be exceptions, as with any other sign.

In fact, I am more likely to say nothing when I am fairly positive it is appropriate to share those desires. Maybe it's the Moon in Virgo, or Venus in Scorpio, or even Jupiter in Cancer...

Lioness has mentioned that Sagis approach her with similar forwardness. I have never seen it among the Sagittarians I know though. Where are you guys finding these creepy Sagis?

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posted August 22, 2012 12:25 PM            

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A woman
never quite feels desired and appreciated
enough. She wants attention, but a man is too often
distracted and unresponsive. The Rake is a great female fantasy
figure—when he desires a woman, brief though that moment may be,
he will go to the ends of the earth for her. He may be disloyal, dishonest,
and amoral, but that only adds to his appeal. Unlike the normal, cautious
male, the Rake is delightfully unrestrained, a slave to his love of women.
There is the added lure of his reputation: so many women have succumbed to him, there has to be a reason. Words are a woman's weakness, and the Rake is a master of seductive language. Stir a
woman's repressed longings by adapting the Rake's
mix of danger and pleasure.

Keys to the Character
A
t first it may seem strange that a man who is clearly dishonest, disloyal,
and has no interest in marriage would have any appeal to a woman.
But throughout all of history, and in all cultures, this type has had a fatal effect. What the Rake offers is what society normally does not allow women:
an affair of pure pleasure, an exciting brush with danger. A woman is often
deeply oppressed by the role she is expected to play She is supposed to be
the tender, civilizing force in society, and to want commitment and lifelong
loyalty. But often her marriages and relationships give her not romance and
devotion but routine and an endlessly distracted mate. It remains an abiding
female fantasy to meet a man who gives totally of himself, who lives for
her, even if only for a while.
This dark, repressed side of female desire found expression in the legend of Don Juan. At first the legend was a male fantasy: the adventurous
knight who could have any woman he wanted. But in the seventeenth and
eighteenth centuries, Don Juan slowly evolved from the masculine adventurer to a more feminized version: a man who lived only for women. This
evolution came from women's interest in the story, and was a result of their
frustrated desires. Marriage for them was a form of indentured servitude;
but Don Juan offered pleasure for its own sake, desire with no strings at-The Rake • 25
tached. For the time he crossed your path, you were all he thought about.
His desire for you was so powerful that he gave you no time to think or to
worry about the consequences. He would come in the night, give you an
unforgettable moment, and then vanish. He might have conquered a thousand women before you, but that only made him more interesting; better to
be abandoned than undesired by such a man.
The great seducers do not offer the mild pleasures that society condones. They touch a person's unconscious, those repressed desires that cry
out for liberation. Do not imagine that women are the tender creatures that
some people would like them to be. Like men, they are deeply attracted to
the forbidden, the dangerous, even the slightly evil. (Don Juan ends by going to hell, and the word "rake" comes from "rakehell," a man who rakes
the coals of hell; the devilish component, clearly, is an important part of
the fantasy.) Always remember: if you are to play the Rake, you must convey a sense of risk and darkness, suggesting to your victim that she is participating in something rare and thrilling—a chance to play out her own rakish
desires.
To play the Rake, the most obvious requirement is the ability to let
yourself go, to draw a woman into the kind of purely sensual moment in
which past and future lose meaning. You must be able to abandon yourself
to the moment. (When the Rake Valmont—a character modeled after the
Duke de Richelieu—in Laclos' eighteenth-century novel Dangerous Liaisons
writes letters that are obviously calculated to have a certain effect on his
chosen victim, Madame de Tourvel, she sees right through them; but when
his letters really do burn with passion, she begins to relent.) An added
benefit of this quality is that it makes you seem unable to control yourself, a
display of weakness that a woman enjoys. By abandoning yourself to the
seduced, you make them feel that you exist for them alone—a feeling reflecting a truth, though a temporary one. Of the hundreds of women that
Pablo Picasso, consummate rake, seduced over the years, most of them had
the feeling that they were the only one he truly loved.
The Rake never worries about a woman's resistance to him, or for that
matter about any other obstacle in his path—a husband, a physical barrier.
Resistance is only the spur to his desire, enflaming him all the more. When
Picasso was seducing Françoise Gilot, in fact, he begged her to resist; he
needed resistance to add to the thrill. In any case, an obstacle in your way
gives you the opportunity to prove yourself, and the creativity you bring to
matters of love. In the eleventh-century Japanese novel The Tale of Genji, by
the court lady Murasaki Shikibu, the Rake Prince Niou is not disturbed by
the sudden disappearance of Ukifune, the woman he loves. She has fled because although she is interested in the prince, she is in love with another
man; but her absence allows the prince to go to extreme lengths to track
her down. His sudden appearance to whisk her away to a house deep in the
woods, and the gallantry he displays in doing so, overwhelm her. Remember: if no resistances or obstacles face you, you must create them. No seduction can proceed without them.

The Rake is an extreme personality. Impudent, sarcastic, and bitingly
witty, he cares nothing for what anyone thinks. Paradoxically, this only
makes him more seductive. In the courtlike atmosphere of studio-era Hollywood, when most of the actors behaved like dutiful sheep, the great Rake
Errol Flynn stood out in his insolence. He defied the studio chiefs, engaged
in the most extreme pranks, reveled in his reputation as Hollywood's
supreme seducer—all of which enhanced his popularity. The Rake needs a
backdrop of convention—a stultified court, a humdrum marriage, a conservative culture—to shine, to be appreciated for the breath of fresh air he
provides. Never worry about going too far: the Rake's essence is that he
goes further than anyone else.
When the Earl of Rochester, seventeenth-century England's most notorious Rake and poet, abducted Elizabeth Malet, one of the most soughtafter young ladies of the court, he was duly punished. But lo and behold, a
few years later young Elizabeth, though wooed by the most eligible bachelors in the country, chose Rochester to be her husband. In demonstrating
his audacious desire, he made himself stand out from the crowd.
Related to the Rake's extremism is the sense of danger, taboo, perhaps
even the hint of cruelty about him. This was the appeal of another poet
Rake, one of the greatest in history: Lord Byron. Byron disliked any kind
of convention, and happily played this up. When he had an affair with his
half sister, who bore a child by him, he made sure that all of England knew
about it. He could be uncommonly cruel, as he was to his wife. But all of
this only made him that much more desirable. Danger and taboo appeal to
a repressed side in women, who are supposed to represent a civilizing, moralizing force in culture. Just as a man may fall victim to the Siren through
his desire to be free of his sense of masculine responsibility, a woman may
succumb to the Rake through her yearning to be free of the constraints of
virtue and decency. Indeed it is often the most virtuous woman who falls
most deeply in love with the Rake.
Among the Rake's most seductive qualities is his ability to make women
want to reform him. How many thought they would be the one to tame
Lord Byron; how many of Picasso's women thought they would finally be
the one with whom he would spend the rest of his life. You must exploit
this tendency to the fullest. When caught red-handed in rakishness, fall
back on your weakness—your desire to change, and your inability to do so.
With so many women at your feet, what can you do? You are the one who
is the victim. You need help. Women will jump at this opportunity; they
are uncommonly indulgent of the Rake, for he is such a pleasant, dashing
figure. The desire to reform him disguises the true nature of their desire,
the secret thrill they get from him. When President Bill Clinton was clearly
caught out as a Rake, it was women who rushed to his defense, finding
every possible excuse for him. The fact that the Rake is so devoted towomen, in his own strange way, makes him lovable and seductive to them.
Finally, a Rake's greatest asset is his reputation. Never downplay your
bad name, or seem to apologize for it. Instead, embrace it, enhance it. It is what draws women to you. There are several things you must be known
for: your irresistible attractiveness to women; your uncontrollable devotion
to pleasure (this will make you seem weak, but also exciting to be around);
your disdain for convention; a rebellious streak that makes you seem dangerous. This last element can be slightly hidden; on the surface, be polite
and civil, while letting it be known that behind the scenes you are incorrigible. Duke de Richelieu made his conquests as public as possible, exciting
other women's competitive desire to join the club of the seduced. It was by
reputation that Lord Byron attracted his willing victims. A woman may feel
ambivalent about President Clinton's reputation, but beneath that ambivalence is an underlying interest. Do not leave your reputation to chance or
gossip; it is your life's artwork, and you must craft it, hone it, and display it
with the care of an artist.

Symbol: Fire.
The Rake burns with a desire that
enflames the woman he is seducing. It is
extreme, uncontrollable, and dangerous. The Rake may
end in hell, but the flames surrounding him often make
him seem that much more desirable to women.

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