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Topic: Your Chart = Your Natal Promise
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Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 21, 2012 06:40 PM
Been thinking about how our chart reflects the nature of how we experience transits, aspects to our charts from others and Solar Return charts, among other things. A lot of the time on forums, we ask questions about what kinds of experiences we can expect from certain transits or aspects in synastry and we can get a general idea, but to narrow it down and get more specific, we need to look at our own charts. For example, my 5th house is ruled by Mercury. I also have Pluto conjunct Karma in my 5th house, although this conjunction is in Libra. Mercury rules my first house (Gem ASC) and also resides there. Mercury makes a trine to Pluto/Karma in the 5th/Libra. So I need my romantic partners to be able (and willing!) to communicate - both light hearted banter (due to the Gem influence in the first house) as well as be able to have deeper, Plutonic-type conversations. I also am constantly working on acheiving balance through transformation in my intimate relationships (Pluto/Karma in Libra). In addition, my romantic inclination is to have intense connections (Pluto in 5th squares Cancer Sun and Venus in 2nd). And finally, since Karma conjuncts Pluto, this affects how asteroid Karma acts during transits to my chart. For example, when asteroid Karma conjuncts something, it means something is being transformed and often heralds the beginnings and ending of things for me. For someone who does not have Karma conjunct Pluto, but instead Venus, then Karma transits might be more likely to do with values, beauty and love. Wondering what other people notice about their natal charts and what your natal promise brings to you. IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 23, 2012 04:26 PM
No one? I think this is such a good way to understand our charts better and the effect of transits and synastry IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 1411 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted August 23, 2012 04:33 PM
you quite the knowledge about karmai have karma conjunct moon in the 6th house in leo EXACT what natal promise does that give me? cause i have no idea in asteroids although i have a few conjunctions with them IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 23, 2012 04:40 PM
Does Leo rule your 6th house? If so, do you have any aspects in your chart between Sun and Moon? IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 1411 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted August 23, 2012 04:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sorcha: Does Leo rule your 6th house? If so, do you have any aspects in your chart between Sun and Moon?
yes it does and my sun squares moon by 8 degrees IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 23, 2012 07:03 PM
So what's the house position of your Sun? Maybe just post your whole chart. Easier IP: Logged |
7thGuardian Knowflake Posts: 274 From: Transylvania Registered: May 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 07:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by Sorcha:
For example, my 5th house is ruled by Mercury. I also have Pluto conjunct Karma in my 5th house, although this conjunction is in Libra. Mercury rules my first house (Gem ASC) and also resides there. Mercury makes a trine to Pluto/Karma in the 5th/Libra. So I need my romantic partners to be able (and willing!) to communicate - both light hearted banter (due to the Gem influence in the first house) as well as be able to have deeper, Plutonic-type conversations. I also am constantly working on acheiving balance through transformation in my intimate relationships (Pluto/Karma in Libra). In addition, my romantic inclination is to have intense connections (Pluto in 5th squares Cancer Sun and Venus in 2nd).
... that's a bit confusing - where exactly is your Mercury placed in House 5 or House 1?
If it's in 1 you can have a good understanding of your self but if it's in 5 you have a creative type of intelligence - at writing maybe... or other creative skills (the sign might say more about that).
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doommlord Moderator Posts: 1411 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted August 24, 2012 08:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Sorcha: So what's the house position of your Sun? Maybe just post your whole chart. Easier
cant do it now im on the phone and its hell enough to write XD my sun is in the 8th conjunct NN if that matters IP: Logged |
AshSkye Knowflake Posts: 298 From: Leicester Registered: Jun 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 10:13 AM
With my chart, my North Node and ASC conjunction promises a lot of fated events. Saturn is going to start conjuncting my North node in October/November time and then my ASC in December. I believe that this'll bring me fated events that'll change the course of my life, with the ASC involved too, this'll be a great new start for me, it'll be lasting for about a year so I'm looking forward to it!IP: Logged |
ail221 Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Mary Margaret Blanchard's home Registered: Feb 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 10:39 AM
I haven't examine Karma the asteroid much but after adding it to my chart apparently I have: Karma in Pisces in 11th house square Venus Karma Trine Sun, Jupiter, BML and iso Lilith Karma sextile ASC, Eros and Psyche So I am tied to my karma whether I want it or not.... IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4482 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
Sorcha,I absolutely agree. You can have the nicest transit, but if there is some kind of issue with the planets in your natal, the transit might be experienced differently than expected. I find it especially evident, if the transits mirror a natal aspect. For the last years I was having Tr Pluto conjunct natal Venus, but the most kathartic moment happened when the transiting MOon-Venus-conjunction was opposing Tr Pluto on my Venus. Natally I have singleton Venus in capricorn in 1st house squaring Pluto in Libra on the MC. (Venus rules 5th, 6th, 10th house - Pluto rules 11th and 12th house). This whole complex got triggered. IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 05:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by 7thGuardian: ... that's a bit confusing - where exactly is your Mercury placed in House 5 or House 1?If it's in 1 you can have a good understanding of your self but if it's in 5 you have a creative type of intelligence - at writing maybe... or other creative skills (the sign might say more about that).
My Mecury is in my 1st house cinjunction my ASC and trine Pluto/Karma in the 5th IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 05:43 PM
Doomlord (and others), the reason I suggested posting your chart is because it's hard to see connections from just a few aspects. I think I probably didn't explain the concept well enough. Sorry This isn't just about asteroid Karma per se, it's about how your chart works together as a whole and so when transits occur for each of us, we experience them a bit differently than someone else. Since my Mercury is trine Pluto in the 5th, a transit from Mecury to my Pluto would be experienced differently than if it was square Pluto in the 7th, for example. Doomlord, from what I can tell you have Sun conjunct NN and that is square Moon/Karma. Since your Moon is conjunct Karma, you will experience transits to your Moon in a more karmic way. This also triggers your Sun/NN so every transit which touches your Sun or Moon will bring challenges and growth in the houses where you find these conjunctions. I hope I'm making more sense here IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 1411 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted August 24, 2012 05:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sorcha: Doomlord (and others), the reason I suggested posting your chart is because it's hard to see connections from just a few aspects. I think I probably didn't explain the concept well enough. Sorry This isn't just about asteroid Karma per se, it's about how your chart works together as a whole and so when transits occur for each of us, we experience them a bit differently than someone else. Since my Mercury is trine Pluto in the 5th, a transit from Mecury to my Pluto would be experienced differently than if it was square Pluto in the 7th, for example. Doomlord, from what I can tell you have Sun conjunct NN and that is square Moon/Karma. Since your Moon is conjunct Karma, you will experience transits to your Moon in a more karmic way. This also triggers your Sun/NN so every transit which touches your Sun or Moon will bring challenges and growth in the houses where you find these conjunctions. I hope I'm making more sense here
interesting point of view would you mind doing me a reading then? i can revive one my of threads in PR where my chart is in IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 05:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by doommlord: interesting point of view would you mind doing me a reading then? i can revive one my of threads in PR where my chart is in
Sure Post it here though so that people can learn if that's okay. I started the thread just because I saw so many people posting about transits and synastry so I thought it might help to look at our charts more closely to figure out how to understand them differently IP: Logged |
frankie2912 Knowflake Posts: 901 From: yep,ks,usa Registered: Apr 2011
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posted August 24, 2012 05:51 PM
I've never taken the time to see where asteroid Karma is in my chart, but I just did and it is at 11 degrees Aries in my 5th house. It trines my Moon and Saturn and squares my Sun. It is conjunct my NN by 6 degrees, so not really sure if that is a true conjunction. I guess I have to learn to be independent in my creative and romantic affairs? I'm not sure what else it could mean.. Let me try here. My Moon and Saturn are conjunct in my 2nd house. Neptune rules my 5th house and is also in my 2nd house. So do I have lessons to learn regarding my personal values and how they relate to my romantic relationships and creative drive? IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 05:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by AshSkye: With my chart, my North Node and ASC conjunction promises a lot of fated events. Saturn is going to start conjuncting my North node in October/November time and then my ASC in December. I believe that this'll bring me fated events that'll change the course of my life, with the ASC involved too, this'll be a great new start for me, it'll be lasting for about a year so I'm looking forward to it!
That definitely does sound as though it will some type of fated event. What does Saturn do in your chart? This can help to understand the transit better IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 1411 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted August 24, 2012 05:55 PM
ok here it is not too horrible i hope.... IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 05:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by ail221: I haven't examine Karma the asteroid much but after adding it to my chart apparently I have: Karma in Pisces in 11th house square Venus Karma Trine Sun, Jupiter, BML and iso Lilith Karma sextile ASC, Eros and Psyche So I am tied to my karma whether I want it or not....
Well, I think we are all tied to our Karma but what is interesting is to see how it plays out in our charts. Perhaps with your chart your karma is representative of friendships, humanitarianism or groups. This could also be tied in to spiritual learning. What house(s) does Venus rule in your chart?
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Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 05:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Sorcha,I absolutely agree. You can have the nicest transit, but if there is some kind of issue with the planets in your natal, the transit might be experienced differently than expected. I find it especially evident, if the transits mirror a natal aspect. For the last years I was having Tr Pluto conjunct natal Venus, but the most kathartic moment happened when the transiting MOon-Venus-conjunction was opposing Tr Pluto on my Venus. Natally I have singleton Venus in capricorn in 1st house squaring Pluto in Libra on the MC. (Venus rules 5th, 6th, 10th house - Pluto rules 11th and 12th house). This whole complex got triggered.
Exactly! I remember you talking about that moment I have a Jupiter which is in my 12th house but it rules my 7th so the way I experience a Jupiter transit is not always the same way another person might. It's not all kittens and rainbows for me - sometimes it just expands another connected transit from Mars, for example, which it squares natally. (Jupiter in H12 and Mars in H4) IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 06:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by frankie2912: I've never taken the time to see where asteroid Karma is in my chart, but I just did and it is at 11 degrees Aries in my 5th house. It trines my Moon and Saturn and squares my Sun. It is conjunct my NN by 6 degrees, so not really sure if that is a true conjunction. I guess I have to learn to be independent in my creative and romantic affairs? I'm not sure what else it could mean.. Let me try here. My Moon and Saturn are conjunct in my 2nd house. Neptune rules my 5th house and is also in my 2nd house. So do I have lessons to learn regarding my personal values and how they relate to my romantic relationships and creative drive?
Frankie, what planet rules your second house? That will help a bit to complete the picture. So Neptune rules spirituality, imagination, illusion, (self) deception, etc. In your second house this could mean a variety of things depending on what aspects it makes to other planets/points. Does it conjunct your Saturn/Moon? It could be that you value a spiritual connection in your love affairs, or you might have challenges with keeping a steady flow of money in your life. It could be that your creativity is a huge part of your value system and if Neptune connects to your 6th or 10th house or it's rulers, it could be part of the way you make a living. Take the whole chart in to consideration, including the rulers of the houses and what aspects they make to each other (if any), what kind of aspect it is and what houses they live in. So if you do this for Neptune, you will have a clearer picture of how Neptune transits or transits to Neptune manifest. it can also help to figure out what your Neptune 'will do" in a relationship IP: Logged |
vertiver Knowflake Posts: 1973 From: Firey Jupiter Registered: May 2009
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posted August 24, 2012 06:12 PM
Ugh I just looked up T. Karma and its been conjunct N. Sun in the 8th in Leo, no wonder life has been so cathartic lately. I honestly have never really delved that deeply into Karma. I certainly overlook it for the most part. IP: Logged |
frankie2912 Knowflake Posts: 901 From: yep,ks,usa Registered: Apr 2011
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posted August 24, 2012 06:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sorcha: Frankie, what planet rules your second house? That will help a bit to complete the picture. So Neptune rules spirituality, imagination, illusion, (self) deception, etc. In your second house this could mean a variety of things depending on what aspects it makes to other planets/points. Does it conjunct your Saturn/Moon?It could be that you value a spiritual connection in your love affairs, or you might have challenges with keeping a steady flow of money in your life. It could be that your creativity is a huge part of your value system and if Neptune connects to your 6th or 10th house or it's rulers, it could be part of the way you make a living. Take the whole chart in to consideration, including the rulers of the houses and what aspects they make to each other (if any), what kind of aspect it is and what houses they live in. So if you do this for Neptune, you will have a clearer picture of how Neptune transits or transits to Neptune manifest. it can also help to figure out what your Neptune 'will do" in a relationship
Thank you for more clarity! My 2nd house is ruled by Jupiter, which is in my 4th house. Neptune conjuncts my Sun and Mercury (both also in 2nd house..i have a huge 2nd house stellium). Sun rules my 10th, Mercury rules my 8th and 12th...so perhaps 5th house issues will be a way that I make myself known in the world and make money? Woohoo! That's what I like to hear! IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 06:40 PM
Doomlord,Well that conjunction of Pluto and Mars in the 9th is certainly intense It trines your Moon which is the ruler of your 5th house but your Moon is in the 6th house. So the Mars/Pluto conjunction would suggest you have a lot of drive and the ability (Mars/Pluto) to make things happen in your day to day life (Moon in 6th) and that your Moon supports this (as it is in a trine to Pl/Ma. Saturn is in the 1st house squaring Jupiter on the MC so that underlines, IMO, that your belief in life is that hard work is what makes things happen. When you get a transit to that Pluto/Mars conjunction, it will set off or trigger the other aspects that Pluto/Mars makes in your chart. Since you mentioned that Moon is conjunct Karma, your Karma is in part related to your subconscious and emotional self (represented by Moon). Since your Moon is harmoniously aspected by Pluto/Mars with a trine I would imagine that you generally feel and act in an intense manner. If you have any issues with your temper or feelings of aggression (which can sometimes manifest with a Pluto/Mars conjunction) then your Moon conjunct Karma might represent your learning to detach or deal with your emotions differently and take things on a more day to day basis (6th house). Pluto is largely about transformation so the coming NN conjunction to your Pluto (and Mars) will effectively trigger your Moon/Karma as well. How this will manifest could have to do with your drive and ambition/the way they relate to your emotions/issues to do with your 9th house/higher education/etc (Pluto) and your 2nd house/values/self esteem/money (Mars). In your case, NN will bring growth to the planet of transformation and the planet of action. Maybe you decide to learn something new/ go back to school/work harder at school/etc. (9th house issues) That's an example of how you can look at your chart. See what the aspects of your chart are telling you and it gives you a better idea of how the transits will manifest for you. Am I making sense? IP: Logged |
Sorcha Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 24, 2012 06:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by frankie2912: Thank you for more clarity! My 2nd house is ruled by Jupiter, which is in my 4th house. Neptune conjuncts my Sun and Mercury (both also in 2nd house..i have a huge 2nd house stellium). Sun rules my 10th, Mercury rules my 8th and 12th...so perhaps 5th house issues will be a way that I make myself known in the world and make money? Woohoo! That's what I like to hear!
Well a 2nd house stellium is definitely a classic indicator of money being very important! I find it hard to make chart connections without seeing a chart but from what you've mentioned, Jupiter ruling the 2nd house will bring more of whatever that house rules. (I have Jupiter ruling my 7th and I've had a lot of relationships, for example). So this could increase whatever you value but also look to what jupiter is doing in your chart. Does it square or oppose anything? If so, what planet and what house does that planet rule? Once you figure out how Jupiter acts in your chart, it's easier to understand how Jupiter is going to manifest when it transits your chart and/or how Jupiter acts when it interacts with another person's planet in synastry IP: Logged |