posted August 25, 2012 03:30 PM            

Here's a few I'm sure will be mentioned:

Sun square ________
Mars square ________
Saturn square_______

What about house placements?

I have the easiest time befriending women and forgiving them. I do have that moon/pluto contact I know a lot of them screw me over but for some reason I'm more understanding. However, men don't respond the way I want them to and I have a hard time forgiving them and them me once there's discord, unless I don't like them romantically.

I seem to offend men really easily as well and I'm not sure why. And I'm not sure why they're so bold with me or don't realize/care they're making me uncomfortable. I get really uncomfortable when guys don't try to get to know me as a friend first and immediately want to be all on me. I'm not like that, I don't dress provocatively. I'm flirtatious but not overtly sexual....

Sigh... frustrated!

posted August 25, 2012 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Not exactly sure about what you mean by problems with men. Do you mean men become comfortable with you from the very beginning to the extent that they treat you like one of the "guys"? Or in a way where men seem to initially want to "challenge" you or test your authority? Or basic intimacy issues with men?

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lol Can't wait to read the women's answers to your questions.

posted August 25, 2012 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Problems meaning emotionally or problems connecting/understanding men.

Here's a few I'm sure will be mentioned:

Sun square ________
Mars square ________
Saturn square_______

What about house placements?

I have the easiest time befriending women and forgiving them. I do have that moon/pluto contact I know a lot of them screw me over but for some reason I'm more understanding. However, men don't respond the way I want them to and I have a hard time forgiving them and them me once there's discord, unless I don't like them romantically.

I seem to offend men really easily as well and I'm not sure why. And I'm not sure why they're so bold with me or don't realize/care they're making me uncomfortable. I get really uncomfortable when guys don't try to get to know me as a friend first and immediately want to be all on me. I'm not like that, I don't dress provocatively. I'm flirtatious but not overtly sexual....

Sigh... frustrated!

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I'll fill in a few blanks and await your responses:

Sun square nothing
Mars square Pluto
Saturn square Pluto

posted August 25, 2012 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Not exactly sure about what you mean by problems with men. Do you mean men become comfortable with you from the very beginning to the extent that they treat you like one of the "guys"? Or in a way where men seem to initially want to "challenge" you or test your authority? Or basic intimacy issues with men?

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Yes, I do have that problem of being "one of the guys," and I also am scared of guys making fun of me behind my back. Not girls, like normal people are scared of - guys. And now that you mention it yeah, basic intimacy issues.

posted August 25, 2012 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Yes, I do have that problem of being "one of the guys," and I also am scared of guys making fun of me behind my back. Not girls, like normal people are scared of - guys. And now that you mention it yeah, basic intimacy issues.

I don't get the difference between the girls guys feel comfortable confessing their feelings to, and me. I know there has to be one though because obviously the responses are different.

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Mind posting your chart? Curious to see if I can spot why guys might not confess their feelings to you.

posted August 25, 2012 05:25 PM            

Before I post it, are there any asteroids any specifics I should make to it beforehand?

posted August 25, 2012 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Wait, I misread the initial post....I think. With the three aspect potentials listed "Sun...Mars...Saturn..." did you mean for those aspects in a woman's chart in terms of relating to men, or in a man's chart that could make it difficult for a woman to relate to them?

If I misread that...LOL @ me.

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I actually didn't even consider aspects in the men's chart that would make relating to women difficult but that's a good point. My intent was in a woman's chart, because I feel like I'm the one who has the problem relating. Otherwise I would have a plethora of guys fanning me with palm branches just like I see the other girls getting. (slight exaggeration.)

posted August 25, 2012 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I actually didn't even consider aspects in the men's chart that would make relating to women difficult but that's a good point. My intent was in a woman's chart, because I feel like I'm the one who has the problem relating. Otherwise I would have a plethora of guys fanning me with palm branches just like I see the other girls getting. (slight exaggeration.)

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posted August 25, 2012 06:02 PM            

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The ruler of your 7th is in the 12th, which is not a bad thing per se, except it's in detriment. Other than the inconjunct to Uranus, Jupiter appears to be unaspected, so, little to no outlet for its energy.

With Mars in Gemini, my guess is your communication style can be a little
forceful. Do you talk rapidly?

With your Sun exalted in Aries (and in the 11th house of friendship and acquaintances) squaring Saturn in the 7th. You might come across as too over the top and unrelatable for some people to confess their feelings to. With Venus and Mercury joining the mix, it might just be too much for some.

Your Venus conjuncts your Sun. Not to sound harsh, but any time I've seen Sun conjunct Venus, that person tends to think very highly of their attractiveness and figures they ought to be the center of attention, wondering why the opposite sex won't pay as much attention to them as to others they see them with. Not saying that's the case with you for sure, but, it's something to consider.

Basically, it boils down to all of those squares and Jupiter nearly unaspected in Gemini. Since that inconjunct is to Neptune, reasons as to why men might not respond the way you want them to remain unclear to you, as you've said.

posted August 25, 2012 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
The ruler of your 7th is in the 12th, which is not a bad thing per se, except it's in detriment. Other than the inconjunct to Uranus, Jupiter appears to be unaspected, so, little to no outlet for its energy.

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And there's no way to fix that? I do get saved at the last minute a lot.

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With Mars in Gemini, my guess is your communication style can be a little
forceful. Do you talk rapidly?

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I don't think so. I'm pretty self-centered (we'll get to that...) but with that comes self awareness, right? I'm laid back in my speech, but I do interrupt a lot if I feel comfortable with someone.

I thought my Mars (and anything in the 12th house) is unaccessible?

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With your Sun exalted in Aries (and in the 11th house of friendship and acquaintances) squaring Saturn in the 7th. You might come across as too over the top and unrelatable for some people to confess their feelings to. With Venus and Mercury joining the mix, it might just be too much for some.

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Why would a Saturn square equate to being over the top? I get that a lot. It makes me feel bad 'cause I'm just being myself, but I'm so willing to work on whatever.

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Your Venus conjuncts your Sun. Not to sound harsh, but any time I've seen Sun conjunct Venus, that person tends to think very highly of their attractiveness and figures they ought to be the center of attention, wondering why the opposite sex won't pay as much attention to them as to others they see them with. Not saying that's the case with you for sure, but, it's something to consider.

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Oh no, it is. It's not that I'm proud of it but I'm not really embarrassed about my flaws. Everybody has at least one. I'm really vain about my appearance unfortunately, but considering the Sun and Venus squares I have to Saturn I think the conjunct is a blessing.

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Basically, it boils down to all of those squares and Jupiter nearly unaspected in Gemini. Since that inconjunct is to Neptune, reasons as to why men might not respond the way you want them to remain unclear to you, as you've said.

If I can think of anything else I'll let you know.[/B]

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So...Jupiter is involved in romance? Not just luck?

I think another problem is that since my Mars is in the 12th house I do tend to attract sensitive guys. And I tend to act more Taurus-y because it's my moon sign, which is strongly (and positively aspected). I think I'm a degree above average empathic, and if I get that gut sensation about a guy (even if I'm wrong) it makes me scamper away quite quickly.

posted August 25, 2012 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
So...Jupiter is involved in romance? Not just luck?

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posted August 25, 2012 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Jupiter rules your 7th house of partnerships. That's where I got that from.

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posted August 25, 2012 07:37 PM            

You also have Venus Square saturn; interpreted as a fear of letting go, enjoying those Venus moments and openly expressing love. Plus this aspect is usually associated with a delayed marriage or loneliness.

Secondly Venus square Neptune; disappointed involving romantic relationships, in some scenarios loving someone who doesn't love them back, being drawn to victim/savior relationships, associating sacrifice with love. A difficulty to see they have a fear of committed relationships.

posted August 25, 2012 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Maybe some men are thrown off by the combination of Aries and Gemini energy. Aries is typically masculine energy and you have Aries in a exalted position for your sun. Gemini ruled by mercury adds a sort of androgynous underlying vibe. Perhaps your offending men without enough masculine Cardinal energy as yourself.

You also have Venus Square saturn; interpreted as a fear of letting go, enjoying those Venus moments and openly expressing love. Plus this aspect is usually associated with a delayed marriage or loneliness.

Secondly Venus square Neptune; disappointed involving romantic relationships, in some scenarios loving someone who doesn't love them back, being drawn to victim/savior relationships, associating sacrifice with love. A difficulty to see they have a fear of committed relationships.

Lastly Venus quincunx Chiron; Venus-Chiron aspect creates great stress in your love affairs which results in anal analytic perception about the motives of other people. You have to be aware and learn about the love experience and not expect everyone is trying to take advantage of you.

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Jaw dropping...

I was wondering if Chiron had anything to say. I really have deep fears of not just guys but people in general taking advantage of me. I realize that you attract what you fear the most because of the energy put into it, it's just not that simple for me to break. I don't know how to break it.

I definitely experience Venus square Neptune too. I DO think love is sacrifice! And constantly like people who don't like me back. I kind of have a notion that I'm afraid of committed relationships but it's not fully developed yet.

posted August 25, 2012 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:

Lastly Venus quincunx Chiron; Venus-Chiron aspect creates great stress in your love affairs which results in anal analytic perception about the motives of other people. You have to be aware and learn about the love experience and not expect everyone is trying to take advantage of you.

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posted August 25, 2012 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Found this elsewhere online regarding Venus quintile Chiron:

"Venus quintile Chiron probably gives you the ability to empathize with other people who experience the need to give and give in order to feel loved. It might also make you quite witty and sassy when you're flirting - yet you're sensitive to how you're received."

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Where'd you find that?

posted August 25, 2012 08:12 PM            

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Jaw dropping...

I was wondering if Chiron had anything to say. I really have deep fears of not just guys but people in general taking advantage of me. I realize that you attract what you fear the most because of the energy put into it, it's just not that simple for me to break. I don't know how to break it.

I definitely experience Venus square Neptune too. I DO think love is sacrifice! And constantly like people who don't like me back. I kind of have a notion that I'm afraid of committed relationships but it's not fully developed yet.

Let's see... I get in disagreements with Leo men, Aquarius men, and Taurus'. None of them find me "lady like" enough. And I think my bold approach just downright scares shy Taurus' off. I like Scorpio and Pisces men, they seem to get me easiest although sometimes they think I'm trying to agitate them on purpose with my opinions when I'm not. Is there a reason in my chart why I like those two signs best? Funny enough they're ruled by both the planets in my 12th house.

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posted August 25, 2012 08:16 PM            

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Where'd you find that?

It's so accurate it's scary.

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