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Topic: Pluto in Scorpio/4th house - experiences?
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LionFish
Newflake Posts: 17
From: Yakima, WA, USA
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 06:46 AM
  
I have this placement as do 2 other people that I know (just found out tonight by casting their natal charts.)
The man who I called my dad passed away when I was 17. One of these other people had their father pass away at the age of 14, and the other had a brother who was more like a father to her and even proposed guardianship who passed away when she was 16.I found it interesting that this placement predicts the early death of a guardian but doesn't specify a sex and yet all 3 of us lost a male/father figure in our lives. Does anybody else have this placement that has experienced this? Or maybe had a female relative pass instead? ------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted August 28, 2012 06:57 AM
A good friend of mine has this.Her father took care of her maybe for the first three years of her life and then poof, gone. Her mother's boyriend kinda took care of her but he was never a "dad". She definitely didn't have a solid paternal influence. I think it's created a lot of pain and internal conflicts in her.. These people usually have a solid emotional "wall" and it's hard to really get close to them. She also has a Cap Moon which only reinforces the "coldness". IP: Logged |
LionFish
Newflake Posts: 17
From: Yakima, WA, USA
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 07:37 AM
You're definitely right about the emotional "wall." As time goes by I've learned slowly to let mine down, but as with your friend, my biological father was only there for the first few weeks of my life and then I never heard from or saw him again. I'm now well into my 20s.I also have my Sun in 8th house and Mercury in the 8th, both which indicate the early/untimely death of a family member, the sun specifically signifying a father or husband. Does your friend have any contact with her biological father at all or is he "dead" to her? I wonder if the Pluto in the 4th doesn't show an end to a father/child relationship whether an actual death occurs or not? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 28, 2012 07:57 AM
I don't think she's still in contact with her father, no.I remember a few years ago, when she was like 15, she would send him letters, not sure if the guy even responded or not. So, yes, I think it kinda is a "death", even if there's no actual physical death. More like the death of the "relationship". Yep, you're right about the 8th house.
Deep stuff.
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Primarose220
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posted August 28, 2012 10:32 AM
My pluto is in the 8th house and my saturn in the 9th house both in Scorpio. Now I lost a father figure to me: my grandfather, he died when I was 10, when Saturn was in Pisces in 1995. I looked the year of his birth and he had Saturn in Pisces. He passed away a day and month before his 59th birthday. He was 58 and would have turned this age July 27, 1995. My heart broke and I was angry for a very long time. Saturn goes into pisces again in 2025. Now I am twin, I did lose my twin sister when I was born it was 3 months after we were born. I don't know what the coordinates at the time of my birth was then, but we came 3 months early and identical. This was kept from me until after my grandfather passed I believe, I found out in a supernatural way and I through a lot of tantrums and felt very much isolated, misunderstood and alone. Let's just say when she passed we combined souls in a very spiritual sense.I don't know how that would sound to guys but that is how I have always though it, when I heard the story. IP: Logged |
mercuranian
Knowflake Posts: 610
From: the future
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 28, 2012 12:27 PM
i have a 4th house pluto using equal house system, and my father is dead to me.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted August 28, 2012 03:29 PM
Aspect of survivor,tough material they are made of  IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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From: PA, USA
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 03:35 PM
I've seen this in two family members. Both have a difficult experience with their fathers. One has a way more difficult time with their mother, since his Pluto sign is also her Sun sign, and I believe they actually have Sun-Pluto conjunct. I have the same aspect with my mom but in Libra and it's a difficult relationship to say the least. The first person, my mom, felt like her father divorcing her mother traumatized her and made her have depersonalization and depression issues. Her family life felt destroyed by the divorce. She didn't want things to change. It gave her a lot of emotional issues. The second family member is much younger and has openly said he hates both parents yet seems to be very aware of their authority, which he also detests and cries about being powerless to people. It's heart breaking. They're actually very disturbed and mean people and he isn't acting out inappropriately... IP: Logged |
mercuranian
Knowflake Posts: 610
From: the future
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posted August 28, 2012 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Aspect of survivor,tough material they are made of
indeed!
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LionFish
Newflake Posts: 17
From: Yakima, WA, USA
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 05:14 PM
Primarose220:Would you be willing to post your chart so i can see it, I'm very curious. By combining souls you mean she became a part of you? Do you remember having an imaginary friend when you were a young child? I ask this because a lot of twins who have their twin pass away feel/see their presence long after the other twin is gone and the spirit of the deceased twin can manifest itself as an "imaginary friend." Because others aren't spiritually linked to them the way their sibling is and aren't psychically sensitive enough to give the spirit shape or substance. They can become like a doppelganger for the living twin as a child.
I can't imagine what it was like for you to find out on your own like that. Did she help you realize her existence with dreams or feelings? Both? ------------------
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LionFish
Newflake Posts: 17
From: Yakima, WA, USA
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 05:20 PM
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i have a 4th house pluto using equal house system, and my father is dead to me.
was it early happenings and circumstances that caused the death of your relationship or later in life? ------------------
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LionFish
Newflake Posts: 17
From: Yakima, WA, USA
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 05:29 PM
Thank you sweet-scorpion for sharing!Did your mother keep contact with her father after the divorce from your grandmother or was the relationship too torn? And the younger boy, is there any way to get him away from the circumstances he's in if the parents are that mean spirited? Did they not want a child yet? Resentful toward him in some way? Or is it really just that Sun-Pluto energy and him and his mother don't understand each other? IP: Logged |
LionFish
Newflake Posts: 17
From: Yakima, WA, USA
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted August 28, 2012 05:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Aspect of survivor,tough material they are made of
indeed!
You're absolutely right! I think this placement can make or break a person, depending on who and how it's aspected in
the chart.
Could Saturn sextile Pluto in a chart make death a learning experience for the native? ------------------
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mercuranian
Knowflake Posts: 610
From: the future
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 28, 2012 05:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by LionFish:
was it early happenings and circumstances that caused the death of your relationship or later in life?
early happenings. in fact i remember telling him i wish he would just die when i was around 11 years old. IP: Logged |
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