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Topic: Venus square Saturn - positive stories
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Aeline
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posted August 28, 2012 08:38 AM
  
Are there any? Have you overcome the difficulties this aspect provide (in natal!)Feel free to share your stories, i'd really appreciate them! IP: Logged |
andstuff
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posted August 28, 2012 08:50 AM
good thread!! i have read it somewhere that the good way of overcoming it is expressing one of the planets through a neighbouring sign, so it becomes a harmonious aspect. e.g. i have venus in aqua and saturn in scorpio. i once fell in love with a boy who had moon in pisces. perhaps this is how it happened, my way of loving got compassionate and soft. but i don't know. i still have problems with being lucky meeting people who would capture my attention. old men just adore me, don't know how to escape them. or not old ones but the so called "mature" ones. like Holly's husband form "breakfast at tiffany's". not hot. horrible. Kim Gordon is one massive positive story. she has the opposition and look at her. the coolest man on earth she got. also she has venus trine pluto (like me) IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted August 28, 2012 09:09 AM
The parents could not love the playful, childish qualities of their offspring, so the child learned to grow up fast in order not to experience the parents’ displeasure. The only way to please the parents was to be as Saturnian as they were, so the child learned that the only way to be “loved” was to be serious, business-like, responsible, and successful…a model child.^^ It's just so true!
I'm reading this and i'd like to cry now, but i don't, because i never cry. IP: Logged |
7thGuardian
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posted August 28, 2012 09:31 AM
...the interpretation of aspects from cafeastrology seems pretty accurate and also - comes with advices on how to handle a chalenginaspect: quote:
Venus square or opposition SaturnGiving and receiving love are not flowing and natural for people born with Venus in hard aspect to Saturn. Blockages are experienced, and love relationships may be a source of frustration as a result, until the natives learn to love themselves, and to feel worthy of love from others. Duty is often associated with love, and some might find themselves stuck in a loveless marriage, for example. Especially in youth, these people might feel awkward in some social situations, unsure of how to express affections, and fearful of rejection. Problematic Saturn positions often get better with age, experience, and practice, however! In its more negative expression, some people with this position learn to scheme in order to get what they want from a partner, or they might treat partnerships as if they were businesses. These aspects can make natives especially sensitive to "cues" that suggest they are not loved or rejected in some way. People with Venus-Saturn in hard aspect can often "expect" rejection in issues of love and care, whether they are conscious of this tendency or not. This can often lead to negative situations in love -- and bad timing or the feeling of having "bad luck" in relationships. People with Venus in hard aspect to Saturn might either downplay their physical appearance or pay excessive attention to it. Either way, self-consciousness with adornments is common. Often, people with this position sell themselves short. They are not risk takers when it comes to relationships, often choosing a path that they feel is safe, even if it is an uncomfortable one. Fear of giving can also express itself through tight-fistedness with money. The key to handling these aspects is to learn to loosen up and relax. Know that you may be oversensitive to rejection -- and try to gain some perspective when you feel your love is not being returned to your satisfaction. Are you truly letting love in, or is there a part of you that is scared? Could your expectations and "heaviness" in the area of relationships (you might take love more seriously than most) be getting in the way of accepting love and affection? Venus-Saturn people may have deep-seated feelings of being unworthy of love, even if they are able to rationalize and decide otherwise! Alternate interpretations: Venus square Saturn or Venus opposition Saturn: *You are serious and find it difficult to enjoy yourself in a lighthearted, open and playful way with others. You rarely do something purely for pleasure, and can be very close-fisted and parsimonious. Perhaps due to painful separations in your early life, you are very cautious about becoming close to people and sharing your feelings. Though you crave love and affection, intimacy is difficult for you. You may become romantically involved with people who do not value you or treat you well. You need to learn to love and value yourself before you will find happiness in love.
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Taineberry
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posted August 28, 2012 10:33 AM
I have Saturn in the 10th square Venus/Merc in 1st and Moon/Nept in 7th ... and opp Mars/Uran in 4th. An angular grand cross.In my younger days there were many times when I felt lonely and unloved, but these harsh aspects did motivate me to do some inner work and face some difficult truths. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I guess ... because today I have a close circle of strong friends, positive family relationships and have been married for 28 years. So... do not despair if you are young and things are hard - often difficult experiences are the best teachers as they ultimately force you to look within for peace and happiness, and when this happens - a lot of the external problems find resolution. IP: Logged |
andstuff
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posted August 28, 2012 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
I have Saturn in the 10th square Venus/Merc in 1st and Moon/Nept in 7th ... and opp Mars/Uran in 4th. An angular grand cross.In my younger days there were many times when I felt lonely and unloved, but these harsh aspects did motivate me to do some inner work and face some difficult truths. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I guess ... because today I have a close circle of strong friends, positive family relationships and have been married for 28 years. So... do not despair if you are young and things are hard - often difficult experiences are the best teachers as they ultimately force you to look within for peace and happiness, and when this happens - a lot of the external problems find resolution.
 i disagree that happiness later in life can compensate for a youth gone down the drain IP: Logged |
brightwhites
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posted August 28, 2012 10:43 AM
I have it in the natal. I definitely felt it growing up (feeling "unworthy" of love, growing up fast). I don't know what I did to overcome it, but I often focus on my goals and try to think like Buddha.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 28, 2012 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by brightwhites:
I have it in the natal. I definitely felt it growing up (feeling "unworthy" of love, growing up fast). I don't know what I did to overcome it, but I often focus on my goals and try to think like Buddha.
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lilithpluto
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posted August 28, 2012 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
The parents could not love the playful, childish qualities of their offspring, so the child learned to grow up fast in order not to experience the parents’ displeasure. The only way to please the parents was to be as Saturnian as they were, so the child learned that the only way to be “loved” was to be serious, business-like, responsible, and successful…a model child.
Very true. I have Gemini Venus square Virgo Saturn exact. Lol. 
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Aeline
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posted August 28, 2012 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Very true. I have Gemini Venus square Virgo Saturn exact. Lol.
My Venus in Libra is squared by Saturn in Capricorn, but by almost 5 degrees, and i still feel it. I can imagine what you're going through.
+ My Sun is exactly squared by Saturn, so it just adds to the process + Venus - Neptune square, oh my!
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andstuff
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posted August 28, 2012 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Very true. I have Gemini Venus square Virgo Saturn exact. Lol.
do you have any good aspects to release the tension? any trines/sextiles with neptune, jupiter or pluto? those are super-beneficial. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted August 28, 2012 11:15 AM
So i decided to write a diary, just now. And to try to deal with it, basically - learn to love. Love myself at the first step, acknowledge that i deserve to be loved... I have to find some good literature about it. At the moment i have Byron Katie "I need your love, is that true", so i'll try.. to dig into myself and cure my wounds. Hope i can. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted August 28, 2012 11:20 AM
My Venus is aspected by all the planets, so it's a cocktail, actually.  conjunct Sun, Mercury
sextile Moon
trine Mars
sextile Jupiter
square Saturn
square Uranus (wiiide, 8d)
square Neptune
semisextile Pluto
The best aspect here would be trine to Mars which is positively aspected.
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hannaramaa
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posted August 28, 2012 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
good thread!!
but i don't know. i still have problems with being lucky meeting people who would capture my attention. old men just adore me, don't know how to escape them. or not old ones but the so called "mature" ones. like Holly's husband form "breakfast at tiffany's". not hot. horrible.
Old men love me too! I'm only 23! BLECH. IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted August 28, 2012 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
The parents could not love the playful, childish qualities of their offspring, so the child learned to grow up fast in order not to experience the parents’ displeasure. The only way to please the parents was to be as Saturnian as they were, so the child learned that the only way to be “loved” was to be serious, business-like, responsible, and successful…a model child.
Spot ON! Yeah, that sums up my childhood totally. I have n.Venus square n.Saturn. When t.Pluto went exactly opposite my n.Venus and square n.Saturn, I really did experience a big change. Met a wonderful man who really showed me how great love could be. So far, what I learned from him has stuck. IP: Logged |
quinnlycanastro
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posted August 28, 2012 03:38 PM
I can see how Venus in Gemini might not be appreciated for their childlike qualities [Gemini is connected strongly to the child-like state] but Venus is about love, beauty,and the stuff we value.Saturn in a square to Venus is more accurately about restricting appreciation of the Venus qualities [depends on the sign]. The house position is also important for the area of expression [in life]. Saturn will always try to de-value the stuff that Venus puts on a pedestal. Trines/sextiles from Venus and/or Saturn will offer positive routes to travel to combat any feelings of inferiority.
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quinnlycanastro
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posted August 28, 2012 03:41 PM
Aeline ~ It's all of these sextile Moon
trine Mars
sextile Jupiter that you need to focus on, if you keep these three planets happy, they'll look after your Venus sq saturn. Whatever houses and signs there in will show what kind of activities/qualities you need to nurture. IP: Logged |
andstuff
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posted August 28, 2012 04:24 PM
Aeline, it is also important that a planet have a harmonious aspect with both planets that are in a tight aspect to each other. I have a t square w moon opposing Saturn and both square Venus, but because I have Jupiter that trines moon and sextiles Saturn, it becomes my way of dealing with it. Freedom, independence, adventurousness - all of these to get rid of the tension. In retrospect this is why I was that cool girl and not that shy idiot whoisshe whoinvitedher I also have a talent triangle: Venus trine Pluto, Venus sextile Neptune and Neptune sextile Pluto. No wonder my love life is intense and beautiful, and I have cool technical skills. Basically look what other configurations your Venus is part of, you might end up surprised IP: Logged |
curiouswoman
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posted August 29, 2012 12:45 AM
andstuff, what talent do you have?IP: Logged |
curiouswoman
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posted August 29, 2012 02:52 AM
how are you like when someone tries to be affectionate with you?also, in synastry, why would saturn fear venus when saturn is in hard aspect to venus? IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName
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posted August 29, 2012 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
The parents could not love the playful, childish qualities of their offspring, so the child learned to grow up fast in order not to experience the parents’ displeasure. The only way to please the parents was to be as Saturnian as they were, so the child learned that the only way to be “loved” was to be serious, business-like, responsible, and successful…a model child.^^ It's just so true!
I'm reading this and i'd like to cry now, but i don't, because i never cry.
wow, this makes a lot of sense, although this extends outside of parents for me, it includes my friends, uncles, aunts.
i can't offer any advice on how to handle it positively, in the past year i'v dealt with harshness, atleast its how this aspect perceives it.
i learned to live with its shittyness. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted August 29, 2012 12:27 PM
I definetely was a model child. I was very smart for a kid and had good grades. My mom was like - oh, you got 9? I bet there were some that got 10! (we have a grade system of 1 to 10, where 10 - the best) So basically she always compared me to other kids, although i had really good grades, if they weren't THE best, it was like nothing for her. She also happened to work at school so if i did something that kids tend to do - being naughty, playful at the lessons, the teachers would always tell that my mom and then i'd got ashamed from her side, like how could i do that. I was never allowed to go partying with my friends, if i did so, i was the bad one, i wasn't allowed to date anyone till i was 18, because "they all want the same". If i dated someone, i was basically the one who does it with everyone. Even now, when i'm 22 and live in the other city, she calls me every day to find out if i'm home LOL, so good to have a cell phone. If she can't phone me, if i don't hear or simply don't take it, and it's an evening, she later accuses me of being a **** or anything, accuses me for causing her stress and blood pressure, etc. etc. I'm done with it now, she can't control me with that kind of stuff anymore, but it still hurts that mom does not understand me, that she does not understand that i've got my life now.
And somehow Saturn is associated with father issues, LOL!!!!!!! Well, for me it's a mother issue.
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MyFavouriteName
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posted August 29, 2012 12:32 PM
aeline, i think saturn can be any parental figures, or authority figuresi am aware in my life that if i am not doig absolutely everything possible to be doing really well in life (job offers, this, that) some people who present saturn constantly remind me, or show me what else i can do, like it will never be enough to satisfy them. the truth is, im quite happy to live a pretty normal average life, i cant tell ofi ts my uranus or leo energy that is rebelling, but the more people want me to do something that im not that attatched to or passionate about, the more i don't wnat to even consider it. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted August 29, 2012 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
how are you like when someone tries to be affectionate with you?also, in synastry, why would saturn fear venus when saturn is in hard aspect to venus?
I don't believe it. Like - me? How could they possibly like me? That's being said, it does not come from my conscious mind, because i understand with my mind - why shouldn't they like me? I'm good looking, interesting, smart, etc. But when it comes to accept that they simply like me for what i am, i can't. I look for my flaws then, like, how can they like me, i've put a few pounds on, how can they like me, it can't be true. Because deep down there i have this strive for perfectness, in my subconscious mind, i have to be perfect for someone to like me, if i'm not, i conclude that i don't deserve it. Stupid, i know. But how could i overcome it, that's the question i have to deal with now. IP: Logged |
5Gemini
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posted August 29, 2012 12:57 PM
@Aelinesame here
Venus square Moon
......opposite Saturn
......trine Mars
......conjunct Mercury
......opposite Uranus deff a mix, but I am learning to channel all my energies positively
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