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aquaguy91
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posted September 02, 2012 03:18 AM
  
any good astrology books on this? I've noticed most interpretations just list the challenges and potential problems of aspects but don't give any ideas or solutions to learn how to work with them effectively.IP: Logged |
LoVeLy
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posted September 02, 2012 07:46 AM
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oneruledbymars
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posted September 02, 2012 01:29 PM
@aquaguy91:
"any good astrology books on this? I've noticed most interpretations just list the challenges and potential problems of aspects but don't give any ideas or solutions to learn how to work with them effectively."
I don’t really know any good books on this but I can tell you that for me it depends on the nature of the Energy and the houses it's in to really know how work it out on a personal level.
However there is a Universal level that the challenges can be approached from. In my own experience I found that with squares for example.... the only way around it is to rise above it. A square forces you to take the high road to deal with the Energy so to speak. It either forces you on the narrow path of a higher level way (which is narrow because not many people find it nor stay on it you tend to walk a good length of it alone in self discoverment) or the lower path of the egos level (which in this dimension always feels like the easier way and usually has more people on it so its broader).
I find that most squares in natal charts are experienced in childhood and are things that are overcome or should be overcome in adulthood if they have not been and many have not due to the nature of Astrology and how it illuminates the inner courtyards of ones soul bringing to the light stuff we often times can't make sense of in ourselves, in this way it helps them see the areas in life that are blocking the natural forward flow of their persons Energy.
The key here is to learn a lesson when you are dealing with a square. Meaning that a lesson was learned wrong in past lives and so must be sorted this time to move on....the way a well-trained horse will learn a bad habit if an inexperienced rider is placed on them early on in there training....the horse will continue to do that bad habit it's entire life unless it is retrained immediately.
So to find a solution to overcoming a square in one’s life or in a relationship one must know the area of life and nature of the square. And it will need to be interpreted differently for the composite and the natal.
I’ve read once that squares:
"generate a certain amount of inner pressure to manifest the two planets. This is why squares often indicate what people do really well, even if they find the activity stressful, because they have a constant urge to develop the energies that the planets represent."
How I personally handled squares in my Energy is that I simply made the inexplicable, explicable. I didn’t ask how or why I figured out how or why, but that’s the nature of my Energy...so I started with myself. For instance there is a square between my Venus conj Mercury and my Moon conj Neptune. And that has been something I had to overcome bit by bit. Like taking down a brick wall brick by brick and reconstructing it after examining all the pieces and why they didn’t fit.
For example take my Mercury square Neptune which was one of the most difficult:
I used to always want people to see the beauty in things as I see them. You know... "What things could be if ...?" And so on.
My square here is a lot of Energy; I know this because it is one of my strongest personality traits, my imagination. And yet here it is also squared and for me that meant people never see what I see. And I had to accept that and go deep into my own inner world and learn to be ok with keeping my world of imagination separate from reality. You see for me it went even deeper, I can recall one past life where this imagination of mine got me into trouble because I overstepped Universal Laws as though I wasn’t bound to them in the 3D. Note: I wasn’t able to do this until I begin to study astrology 6 years ago. Up until then I was just always disappointed with people and the fact that they didn’t have a pair of rose colored glasses too. lol
I also know that I need peace and balance and harmony around me because I have to protect this square in my Energy once I began straitening it out.
I see squares like weak spots in our Energy once they are straightened out, just like we have weak spots in our abdominals called hernias or lack of symmetry in our features. It’s just the nature of this environment we live in that fosters survival of the fittest when we incarnate. At any rate, once ones squares have been straightened out don't let your ego fool you into thinking you got it from the initial rush of Energy. This area of your life will always requiring monitoring in this existence and must always have strict boundaries that tie in to Universal Law in how you treat yourself and how others treat you more than anything else you must fortify your weak spots to strengthen your stronger ones and raise your vibration through your actions, which ultimately leads to a transcending of the state you were into a higher vibration which is reflected in how the Energy is present in your life now because what you are putting out is mirrored in the life you have created around you.
How do I keep my boundaries?... well for one I found an outlet for my creativity through my career. I can now show people what exists within me and a picture is worth a thousand words and what I cannot express in words I can show through pictures and creating models and setting trends in fashion and style. An area where my imagination needn't know any bounds really.
Makes me happy and the people around me happy when I do it, so it’s a win win.
I just know that this square does not allow me to communicate clearly the beauty of what I see through words...it must always come through actions and through my actions I give back something I came here to create...beauty and balance...My Mercury is in Pisces in the 7th House conjunct my Venus widely conjunct my DC and SN..and square both my Neptune and my Moon which are in the 4th house conjunct my IC....so it is much more complex than that, let’s just say I’ve learned how to protect my "house of cards" when anyone tries to blow it over..with respect the nature of my mind, my heart and my connection to higher Energy. But I want go into further detail if this has helped. , I tend to go off on tangents when I write. A Mercury in Pisces thing. lol
At any rate I don’t think Ive met you before so namaste and I look forward to your reply and I will explain the way I deal with oppositions as well.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
any good astrology books on this? I've noticed most interpretations just list the challenges and potential problems of aspects but don't give any ideas or solutions to learn how to work with them effectively.
I am going to be controversial with this and I am open to hearing anyone's opinion, as always.
I think hard aspects are stuck in stone. I think that the best you can do is accept them, but you will never change them, much.
I think the focus needs to be on your gifts such that if you had a sense that did not work well, you would develop other senses, in a stronger way. I have no squares or oppositions, personally. I have one generational square, I think.
So, I am speaking from my clients charts. I have certain struggles like an earth void, but I would not put that in the same category as the squares and oppositions. I would love to hear what you all think  ------------------
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charlie
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posted September 02, 2012 04:39 PM
I have Pluto sqaure my Cap moon and I don't even know where to begin describing how messed up my mind is! We're talking deep, deep flowing issues..My mom is a Scorpio sun/moon/mars/mercury and that's where it all comes from. Thanks mom... :-/I need 100% harmony around me or I'll go haywire with strange Scorpio emotions and stone cold Saturnian detachment. It's enough to want to hit my head against a wall. Repeatedly. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 02, 2012 05:35 PM
I think it very much depends which planets are in hard aspect to each other.Jupiter-squares def. feel different than Saturnian ones for example. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by charlie:
I have Pluto sqaure my Cap moon and I don't even know where to begin describing how messed up my mind is! We're talking deep, deep flowing issues..My mom is a Scorpio sun/moon/mars/mercury and that's where it all comes from. Thanks mom... :-/I need 100% harmony around me or I'll go haywire with strange Scorpio emotions and stone cold Saturnian detachment. It's enough to want to hit my head against a wall. Repeatedly.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think it very much depends which planets are in hard aspect to each other.Jupiter-squares def. feel different than Saturnian ones for example.
Good point per usual, Ceri
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Belage
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posted September 02, 2012 06:09 PM
Ami Ann, I disagree that hard aspects are stuck in stone. If these aspects happen to be in fixed signs, well, yes you're correct because fixed signs do not bulge, but if they are in mutable signs, then there can be a certain amount of flexibility, a certain amount of give and take, thus the hard aspects become easier to handle. I believe cardinal signs offer the same, but to a lesser extent. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted September 02, 2012 06:25 PM
I think the question of how to work with hard aspects goes to the heart of astrology. None of us need an astrologer to tell us how to deal with the easy aspects. Giving valuable advice on how to deal with hard aspects in natals, transits, progressions, synastries and/or composites is imo the most difficult aspect of astrology. Cookie cutter, one size fits all advice is not enough. The whole chart with its strengths and weaknesses has to be taken into consideration, along with the astrologers' honed intuition, and imo this is where astrology becomes both a science and an art. IP: Logged |
andstuff
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posted September 02, 2012 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am going to be controversial with this and I am open to hearing anyone's opinion, as always.
I think hard aspects are stuck in stone. I think that the best you can do is accept them, but you will never change them, much.I think the focus needs to be on your gifts such that if you had a sense that did not work well, you would develop other senses, in a stronger way. I have no squares or oppositions, personally. I have one generational square, I think.
So, I am speaking from my clients charts. I have certain struggles like an earth void, but I would not put that in the same category as the squares and oppositions. I would love to hear what you all think
Hi Ami, just curious what your opinion on a fixed venus square saturn is..... older partners even if i find them loathsome? or failure at love? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 02, 2012 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
accept them
Accept, don't project.
Find the good points about it because it's not all crap; it's just mostly crap for most of the people around you.
Know how to isolate your chart to be able to see when whatever aspect is rearing it's head in your life, so you know what it's made up of, you know your motivation, so you know the qualities to look for in others...
...which means get with people who have a similar energetic makeup to your own, who can understand you.
Tip: usually these people won't think you're mostly crap.
Remember - motivation not manifestation.
You could bumble all around with manifesting, who gives a $hit, but what is that core driving force? Don't forget it.
And lastly don't be afraid to try something  NEW I didn't read this in a book but there are some good books on aspects out there, cf. Astroamerica.com.  IP: Logged |
andstuff
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posted September 02, 2012 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Accept, don't project.
Find the good points about it because it's not all crap; it's just mostly crap for most of the people around you.
Know how to isolate your chart to be able to see when whatever aspect is rearing it's head in your life, so you know what it's made up of, you know your motivation, so you know the qualities to look for in others...
...which means get with people who have a similar energetic makeup to your own, who can understand you.
Tip: usually these people won't think you're mostly crap.
Remember - motivation not manifestation.
You could bumble all around with manifesting, who gives a $hit, but what is that core driving force? Don't forget it.
And lastly don't be afraid to try something NEW I didn't read this in a book but there are some good books on aspects out there, cf. Astroamerica.com.
And what if I want different people from those who have similar aspects? Venus square Saturn, for example. Probably mine is not so pronounced but still. I have seen other people with hard V-S aspects, and I don't like them. I don't like the essence of them. Are you implying it's only their likes I should be getting? I find them horrible. I like normal people with a healthy, non-failed love life. I want to be with them and like them. And especially don't want them to think I'm crap [I know it's crap, what's the use of pretending? I don't want to get similar losers till the end of my life]. Do I stand no chance and can only get what I myself think of as rubbish? Not super-fair I suppose..... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
Hi Ami, just curious what your opinion on a fixed venus square saturn is..... older partners even if i find them loathsome? or failure at love?
Hi Andstuff
I have never talked to you before. How close is the aspect and it what signs and houses?
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andstuff
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posted September 02, 2012 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hi Andstuff
I have never talked to you before. How close is the aspect and it what signs and houses?
aqua venus in the 11th conj. mars in pisces out of sign. square saturn in scorpio (6H), orb about 5 degrees. also perhaps it is important that moon (taurus 12th) is exactly sq venus and opp. saturn (5 degrees too). many of mitigating aspects with jupiter (trine moon and sextile saturn), pluto (trine moon) and neptune (sextile moon and pluto) too. thank you for your time!! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 02, 2012 07:49 PM
Hi andstuff,
Well frankly I don't know how Venus/Saturn operates in your life.
I don't know you or your chart or your personal experience. This is a personal journey you have to embark on.
But if you don't like other people with hard Venus/Saturn aspects, then that at least says to me that you're still working on integrating it and accepting this part of yourself.
You may, or may not, eventually get there. But that's your business, not mine.
And I honestly don't feel comfortable making vast predictions for your love life.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by andstuff:
aqua venus in the 11th conj. mars in pisces out of sign. square saturn in scorpio (6H), orb about 5 degrees. also perhaps it is important that moon (taurus 12th) is exactly sq venus and opp. saturn (5 degrees too). many of mitigating aspects with jupiter (trine moon and sextile saturn), pluto (trine moon) and neptune (sextile moon and pluto) too. thank you for your time!!
The 5 degree orb is kind of weak. I think the exact aspects are kind of locks that one must accept and develop one's easy aspects such as trines and sextiles, which are gifts. What does the Moon do at an exact degree?
If you have a 5 degree, I don't count that as "as stuck".
A 5 degree square would be a locked in energy, as a square is that. However, it would not be as resistant to change, as a more exact square. Do you know what I mean 
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oneruledbymars
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posted September 02, 2012 07:58 PM
Ami Anne:
You wrote:
"I am going to be controversial with this and I am open to hearing anyone's opinion, as always.
I think hard aspects are stuck in stone. I think that the best you can do is accept them, but you will never change them, much."If you have squares in your Energy why do you need to be stuck with them? the square itself implies a debt, so the challenge is to overcome certain lessons we failed to learn in previous lives. Oppositions mean that you are born into a situation where you can create unrealistic goals, or, show catalyzing situations where you would create people in your life that may also manifest pain and karmic growth for you. If you overcome the lesson who says you have to keep overcoming a lesson because your stuck. Its like saying because I was born not knowing how to ride a horse means I can't ever ride the horse.
And it stands that the square is no longer the same Energy once you have overcome it and change it will. Change is the very nature of Energy and the huge amount of Energy involved in the tension between two opposing and incompatible forces, needs to be expressed in forward action to prevent self-destructiveness. When utilized properly, these challenging planetary aspects can yield a strong will and character.
Change it must if you are to grow. You will always have to handle this is side of your Energy delicately to maintain the flow, because even after you have learned how to properly utilize it it will still be a weak area in your aura and need extra protection. Just the act of acceptance brings change because it includes awareness.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 08:05 PM
I don't believe in karma and past lives, so you and I will, probably not see things in the same way, but blessings to you. 
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andstuff
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posted September 02, 2012 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Hi andstuff,
Well frankly I don't know how Venus/Saturn operates in your life.
I don't know you or your chart or your personal experience. This is a personal journey you have to embark on.
But if you don't like other people with hard Venus/Saturn aspects, then that at least says to me that you're still working on integrating it and accepting this part of yourself.
You may, or may not, eventually get there. But that's your business, not mine.
And I honestly don't feel comfortable making vast predictions for your love life.
sorry, i do not quite understand your explanation  i didn't like those people before i found out about their aspects. they all seem pitiable losers begging for love. and i do not believe this should be integrated at all. would be pretty humiliating. are you suggesting embarking on a humiliating journey? because this is how it appears. living humbly, giving up dreams of beautiful people, knowing i can't get anyone awesome, only another loser at love who has less experience than me? can there possibly be a lesson in something so humiliating? i am not a charity organisation to sleep with losers and love them.... i don't think it's worth even trying quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The 5 degree orb is kind of weak. I think the exact aspects are kind of locks that one must accept and develop one's easy aspects such as trines and sextiles, which are gifts.What does the Moon do at an exact degree?
If you have a 5 degree, I don't count that as "as stuck".
A 5 degree square would be a locked in energy, as a square is that. However, it would not be as resistant to change, as a more exact square. Do you know what I mean
yeah, more or less. i always knew mine is not typical or strong. just getting paranoid every time someone says there's no hope for me. Thank you ever so much !! IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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posted September 02, 2012 08:19 PM
"I don't believe in karma and past lives, so you and I will, probably not see things in the same way, but blessings to you."If thats how you feel then I guess so Ami..but don't go around telling people that the hard aspects in their chart are "stuck in stone". Past lives and karma have nothing to do with why that statement is not right.
It saddens me that you even feel that way.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2012 08:27 PM
ORBM
I am free to have my own opinions about the chart, as are you. I respect your right to voice your opinions, as each person can do on LL
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Lonake
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posted September 02, 2012 08:33 PM
Hi andstuff, "Are you implying it's only their likes I should be getting? I find them horrible."
"they all seem pitiable losers begging for love. and i do not believe this should be integrated at all"
"are you suggesting embarking on a humiliating journey?" It needs to be stated that you are your own person.
They might have Venus/Saturn, but that doesn't mean that their Venus/Saturn is your Venus/Saturn.
That is not a question or an issue for me, that is an issue for you.
But since you insist on bringing me your story, my final comment on the matter is that it's possible that Venus/Saturn is a good thing for you. It sounds like you need stronger boundaries in relationships, and that is a positive aspect of Venus/Saturn. IP: Logged |
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