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Topic: Progressed Sun/Moon Midpoint (MP)
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Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 02, 2012 05:11 PM
1) Do you use this? If not, what's it doing in your chart right now? 2) And if you do, did it point to anything significant? quote: The Soli-Lunar midpoint via secondary progression is something I find is absolutely vital to consider in any kind of chart interpretation. If the progressed chart is reflective of where we are now in our spiritual development (see The Progressed Chart Confusion), and the progressed Sun and progressed Moon are the major indicators of our soul’s growth, continually in movement and in changing relation to one another (read Dane Rudhyar’s book on the progressed lunar cycle), then the Soli-Lunar progressed midpoint indicates our spiritual ‘hotspot.’ The midpoint of the progressed Sun and progressed Moon can indicate major life events, or turning points, when they hit natal planets or sensitive areas of the chart. And of course, it is a crucial point in synastry, particularly in regards to transits and other progressed planets. If another’s planet or point hits the progressed midpoint, the impact is as strong as a connection to the natal chart, but they are not as long lasting. The relationship might be temporary, or the connection will indicate someone entering our lives. The midpoint of the progressed Sun and Moon moves fairly quickly, given that the Sun moves forward roughly one degree per year and the progressed Moon about two and a half degrees per month. The progressed midpoint is ever-changing, fascinating to watch, and will often have its greatest impact when it is within minutes of exact and triggered by the transiting Moon or Sun. It can be particularly explosive when the progressed Soli-Lunar midpoint moves to hit the midpoint of two planets that are conjunct. The conjunction will come alive in a way it never has before, and its influence may colour the life for a long time to come, even after the progressed midpoint is long past.It’s important to note that contacts to the Soli-Lunar midpoint do not necessarily indicate deep relationships, and they bring no guarantees for the long term. It isn’t better to have one than not to have one. In fact, they can often make a relationship uncomfortable, because real growth pulls us out of our comfort zones, requires real change, and is never easy. It’s easy to get all Neptunian and start wishing for these connections, or seeking them out, but the truth is that, as compelling as they are, they’re useless unless we’re very willing and able to do the work at hand. *
To find this MP, Pull up your progressed chart on astro.com or similar, looking at Sun and Moon positions. Then use this midpoint calculator. IP: Logged |
vertiver Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: Portland, OR Registered: May 2009
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posted September 02, 2012 05:16 PM
Oye, my P. midpoint is 7 Scorpio conjunct natal Pluto - that's gotta be intense!I like how Rudyar calls it a "hotspot." Can't think of more of a hotspot than smack dab on my Pluto. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 02, 2012 05:29 PM
Sounds it (!) Is that point significant in a synastry right now?I recently re-kindled a relationship with a family member I had fallen out with, and just checked my p.MP: it's conj their n.Venus, and their p.MP is conj my n.NN. Their n.Venus is trine my n.NN (which I just noticed). IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 6614 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 02, 2012 05:31 PM
22 Libra,and I was wondering why Saturn is rocking my IC/MC axis.IP: Logged |
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posted September 02, 2012 05:32 PM
Good stuff! my pr Sun/Moon is on 15°55 Aries, not setting off anything wild. It is one degree off squaring Saturn, though that is not something to look for I guess. lol However, it will be interesting if it gets to about 20-21 Aries, as it will be on my Chiron, square my Vertex and also square my natal Sun/Moon-mp. Interesting, not easy, I guess. IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 7119 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted September 02, 2012 05:41 PM
Progressed Sun/Moon midpoint 3'34 Gemini/Sagittarius conjunct my moon, asc, eros, and psyche.Trine North Node and MC Not sure if I like this, lets see how this week goes. IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 10270 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 02, 2012 07:08 PM
16 CancerPHASE 107 (CANCER 17°): THE UNFOLDMENT OF MULTILEVEL POTENTIALITIES ISSUING FROM AN ORIGINAL GERM. KEYNOTE: The life urge to actualize one's birth potential. What is pictured here is simply the process of germination. As it unfolds from the sundered seed the plant pierces the crust of the soil and reaches up toward the light. This is a dynamic process turned outward, in contrast to the more static or introspective process of integration-through- understanding depicted in the preceding symbol. Germination is the crucifixion of the seed. The seed becomes the germ, just as the Tibetan student meditating silently and peacefully on the Mandala is followed by the Christian Crusader - and, at a materialistic level of productivity, by the engineer-technologist intent upon transforming the globe for the greatest possible enjoyment of the greatest possible number of human beings. As usual, the second stage of the five-fold sequence establishes a contrast with the first. Action polarizes meditation. The expanding process of self-actualization — which may mean nothing more than ego-expansion through conquest — contrasts with the introspective study of the structural relationship between, and the meaning of, the various energies and potentialities of one's nature (svarupa in Sanskrit). The Keyword is GROWTH. IP: Logged |
vertiver Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: Portland, OR Registered: May 2009
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posted September 02, 2012 08:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: Sounds it (!) Is that point significant in a synastry right now?I recently re-kindled a relationship with a family member I had fallen out with, and just checked my p.MP: it's conj their n.Venus, and their p.MP is conj my n.NN. Their n.Venus is trine my n.NN (which I just noticed).
Oh wow, now that you mention it I just calculated my bf's P. midpoint - which is at 7 Leo, exactly square my P. midpoint and also conjunct my natal Sun at 8 Leo, crazy! I'd say our relationship is ten times better than it was three months ago. I can't explain the change - only that were more cooperative - which doesn't explain the square energy ha! IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 04, 2012 02:51 AM
#Venus, Interesting, I take it it's not so good? Or, as expected..?Hey Ceri, I just took a look at mine until the end of the year and it seems to change a full degree roughly every 6 wks. Since yours is almost 16, it seems about mid-March for the Chiron conj. Hi ail221, That's a pretty strong conj since it's right on your Moon/Asc! I'd be interested to know what comes to pass Which makes me wonder, I should research my past strong p.MP conjunctions. Hi sand, t.Venus was at 16 Cancer around 8/24, anything special then with the conj? Just found your chart, mid-April 2014 looks about the time it'll be conj your MC (rough estimate). Vert, I'm not sure of importance re: sq MP's..but the conj to your Sun sounds v.major (!) I told Ceri it seems to change degree every 6 wks so that sounds like a conj for about 3 more mos. Yea I think it would aid understanding, sounds v.nice! I guess he's looking to you for integration right now. IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 10270 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 04, 2012 04:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: Hi sand, t.Venus was at 16 Cancer around 8/24, anything special then with the conj? Just found your chart, mid-April 2014 looks about the time it'll be conj your MC (rough estimate).
not much on that day or around it. i am pretty much all work and no play for now. ooh that sounds interesting particularly as i foresee taking big steps soon! perhaps some recognition for efforts.. IP: Logged |
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posted September 04, 2012 06:07 AM
lonake,exact conjunction to my Chiron will be on 16th march. Additionally pr Moon will be exactly square my IC-MC-axis and opposing my natal Venus by one degree applying. on 24tth may it will be exactly square my natal Sun/Moon-mp and on 1st june will be exactly square my natal Vertex.
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 3367 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 05, 2012 01:36 PM
I love the thread you put up! My PR venus /mars midpoint is 7,52 in leo. Transit, YOD to MP + trine aspect trigger Uranus trine Ve/Ma MP Pluto Quinkunks Ve/Ma MP Chiron Quinkuns VE/Ma MP VE/MA midpoint conj my N makemake 7 conj N fortuna 7 I feel relationships are in focus. Not just to my boyfriend but in generally IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 06, 2012 02:50 AM
Good one, popcorn ~ I will now have to check my Venus/Mars. I like Uranus trines for romance, sounds lovely IP: Logged |
7thGuardian Knowflake Posts: 1479 From: Transylvania Registered: May 2012
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posted September 06, 2012 03:17 AM
Haven't dabbled with this before - so, it might take a while till i can grasp the full picture.- i checked the progressed chart and from - progressed Sun + Moon i got this: ...ok, so that's suppose to be my spiritual "hotspot" at current time - with NN in Gemini (SN in Sagittarius) i can see where this is going but... something is missing - a lot is missing... hmm... IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 06, 2012 03:22 AM
It wasn't completely clear to me in the article which midpoint the author was referencing, so I just stuck to my near MP which is the one directly between. For you that'd be Gemini, is it conj your NN? Also, the transiting nodes were just conj it a bit ago, reversed position.IP: Logged |
lilithpluto Knowflake Posts: 3165 From: pluto Registered: Dec 2011
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posted September 06, 2012 05:22 AM
Mine's at Cancer 5'15 conjunct progressed pof and conjunct natal mc..maybe it has something got to do with work. IP: Logged |
7thGuardian Knowflake Posts: 1479 From: Transylvania Registered: May 2012
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posted September 06, 2012 11:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: It wasn't completely clear to me in the article which midpoint the author was referencing, so I just stuck to my near MP which is the one directly between. For you that'd be Gemini, is it conj your NN? Also, the transiting nodes were just conj it a bit ago, reversed position.
- i made a little mistake, progressed Moon is in Taurus (not Aries) - which places the "Near Mid-point" at 16 degrees in Gemini - and indeed the Near Point is of greater importance - kinda like the "North Node" where the "Far Mid Point" is the opposite (similar to South Node) - yet, this points are not related to karma - past or current life lessons... and i checked more charts to see if there's a connection between NN/SN and Solar-Mon Mid-points (since this mid-point has some things in common with SN/NN) - both with natal and progressed charts and "generally speaking" there's no connection. If the North Node is essential for soul growth/evolution - the Solar/Moon Mid point is essential for "your current existence" in terms of purpose and happiness - that's why we look in others (friends, lovers) for qualities that can help us feel more complete... and that's why we feel like "we need" that type of friend or that type of lover. I found a couple of articles that prove to be useful in understanding the mid points: - here's an article that revolves around 8 "primary" Mid-Points (in terms of importance - that selection fits the main interests) + other variables: http://www.cornerstone-astrology.com/articles/midpoints_astrology.htm - "Inverse midpoint = Far midpoint"... ...here's a blog article (open to discussions): http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/your-sunmoon-midpoint-the-key-to-your-relationships.html - that expands the subject in terms of "relationship"... ...and here's another article good for learning to work with Mid Points (the primary article - can be really useful paired with this one): http://www.internationalastrologers.com/midpoints_calculator_free_chart.htm - but some things are missing but are covered by this one: http://www.free-spiritual-guidance.com/midpoints-astrology.html#anchor_488 - some interpretations: http://johnsandbach.com/?page_id=7243 ...and here's something for those that like to read:
Understanding Midpoints – Part I: http://www.themetaarts.com/2005october/basilfearington.html Understanding Midpoints – Part 2: http://www.themetaarts.com/2005november/basilfearington.html Understanding Midpoints – Part 3: http://www.themetaarts.com/2005december/basilfearington.html Understanding Midpoints – Part 4: http://www.themetaarts.com/2006january/basilfearington.html Understanding Midpoints – Part 5: http://www.themetaarts.com/2006february/basilfearington.html ... explained by Basil Fearington (an experienced astrologer - google his name for more info ) and it's based on this book: "Combination of Stellar influences" - which is suppose to be a great book and of the first on midpoints... ... and with that - i'm done for now, for the past 6 or 7 hours (if not more) i've been reading about midpoints and tried to practice what i learned - by adapting it to my own approach... still, might take some time till i can grasp it at a first look... but nonetheless - it's interesting and useful... yet, yesterday i wasn't aware of it... IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 17012 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 06, 2012 06:31 PM
Progressed Sun = 0.30* Gemini Moon = 20.67* Libra MP = 10 Leo/Aquariusfour degrees away from my MC/IC. It squares my natal midpoint, around 11 or 12 Taurus/Scorpio... IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 7119 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted September 06, 2012 10:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: #Venus, Interesting, I take it it's not so good? Or, as expected..?Hey Ceri, I just took a look at mine until the end of the year and it seems to change a full degree roughly every 6 wks. Since yours is almost 16, it seems about mid-March for the Chiron conj. Hi ail221, That's a pretty strong conj since it's right on your Moon/Asc! I'd be interested to know what comes to pass Which makes me wonder, I should research my past strong p.MP conjunctions. Hi sand, t.Venus was at 16 Cancer around 8/24, anything special then with the conj? Just found your chart, mid-April 2014 looks about the time it'll be conj your MC (rough estimate). Vert, I'm not sure of importance re: sq MP's..but the conj to your Sun sounds v.major (!) I told Ceri it seems to change degree every 6 wks so that sounds like a conj for about 3 more mos. Yea I think it would aid understanding, sounds v.nice! I guess he's looking to you for integration right now.
Well so far I have gotten a dozen job interviews, one in-particular at this really prominent law firm I have been gushing over <3 IP: Logged |
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posted September 07, 2012 06:03 AM
I just realized that my pr Moon is only 0°03 from opposing a guy`s Sun/Moon-mp. lol (my natal Sun is conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp).his pr Sun/Moon-mp is conjunct my pr Mercury (orb:0°02), my pr Venus and square his own Uranus. lol
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posted September 07, 2012 06:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by 7thGuardian: ... and with that - i'm done for now, for the past 6 or 7 hours (if not more) i've been reading about midpoints and tried to practice what i learned - by adapting it to my own approach... still, might take some time till i can grasp it at a first look... but nonetheless - it's interesting and useful... yet, yesterday i wasn't aware of it...
An compulsive "learner"! I like that. I am like that myself if something fascinates me.
Well, my third tightest natal midpoint picture is: Moon=Mercury/Pluto (orb: 0°03) (there are only two which are tighter: orb: 0°02: Jupiter= Moon/MC with Jupiter in my 3rd house! ASC = Mars/Node)
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posted September 07, 2012 06:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Progressed Sun = 0.30* Gemini Moon = 20.67* Libra MP = 10 Leo/Aquariusfour degrees away from my MC/IC. It squares my natal midpoint, around 11 or 12 Taurus/Scorpio...
Your Moon is almost square my Sun/Moon-mp on 21.31 Cap. and my Sun is semisquare your pr Sun/Moon. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 17012 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 07, 2012 05:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Your Moon is almost square my Sun/Moon-mp on 21.31 Cap. and my Sun is semisquare your pr Sun/Moon.
That's my progressed Moon. I like this idea of keeping track of the pr. sun/moon midpoint. I wonder about my Sun/Venus mp now. My natal moon/venus are together, but pr. Venus is in cancer, just past my Saturn. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2012 06:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by ail221: Well so far I have gotten a dozen job interviews, one in-particular at this really prominent law firm I have been gushing over <3
Sounds promising 7thGuardian, thanks for sharing those links; I'll look over em when I have more time.
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Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2013 06:19 AM
Wondering if anyone has tracked outer planet transits to their progressed Sun/Moon midpoint?IP: Logged |