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Ceridwen
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posted September 07, 2012 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anyone see this article?
http://www.magiastrology.com/challengetocritics.php


Wow! I guess no more comments needed.

(it doesn´t say anything about the validity of their astrological techniques of course, but honestly, what a way to handle their public relations! )


BTW I am happy to announce that I do NOT qualify.


BTW is this kind of public gamble legal in the USA?
(I am not totally certain, but I think in Germany you need a license for something like this. Of course it is probably not a gamble, but a bet; still I think you´d need a licence over here).


EDIT:
sorry, wrong forum I fear.

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sand
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posted September 07, 2012 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You have $250,000.00 of your own money to trade. We give you a little leeway to meet this requirement. For example, you qualify if you have maintained, for at least three of the last five years, brokerage account(s) in your own name (or in the name of a corporation or partnership you control) a total equity of at least $250.000.00. - Our rationale for this requirement is that if you do not have money, then you are not qualified to challenge us. (The Magi Society meets this requirement.)

You are the author or co-author of at least two books that are currently sold on Amazon.com (either new book or used books) and at least one of them is in enough demand such that people have been willing to pay over $100 for at least a year. (The Magi Society meets this requirement.)


an investor that writes books? someone call george soros or peter lynch.

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Ceridwen
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posted September 07, 2012 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sand:
[QUOTE]You have $250,000.00 of your own money to trade. We give you a little leeway to meet this requirement. For example, you qualify if you have maintained, for at least three of the last five years, brokerage account(s) in your own name (or in the name of a corporation or partnership you control) a total equity of at least $250.000.00. - Our rationale for this requirement is that if you do not have money, then you are not qualified to challenge us. (The Magi Society meets this requirement.)

You are the author or co-author of at least two books that are currently sold on Amazon.com (either new book or used books) and at least one of them is in enough demand such that people have been willing to pay over $100 for at least a year. (The Magi Society meets this requirement.)


an investor that writes books? someone call george soros or peter lynch.
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Yes, exactly.
Just make it impossible for any challenger to meet your requirements and you can say you have won.


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Lioness
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posted September 07, 2012 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That seems way over the top... They can come up with a way better way to prove it..

It would be more meaning if they pick one person.. Start off with just 100.
Make it a rags to riches story..
Plus it would get the interest and a lot more followers..

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posted September 07, 2012 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Magi is the Scientology of the Astro community.

Really, they're only after your £

EDIT: i just read their post and if one didn't think they were only after money, BEFORE, they certainly won't feel that way after having read it.

I guess any publicity is better than none, eh?

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Got Gemini??
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posted September 08, 2012 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Magi Astrology is bogus and so is their silly contest. A fair contest would be one where two the two contestants agree on a FAIR set of rules, not this hogwash.

Besides that, they are playing revisionist history with the meanings of Chiron and Venus by trying to say that Chiron is the planet of love and Venus is just the planet of sexual partners and nothing more. Riiiiiiiiight.

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posted September 08, 2012 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
Magi is the Scientology of the Astro community.


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Ceridwen
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posted September 08, 2012 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
Magi is the Scientology of the Astro community.

Really, they're only after your £

EDIT: i just read their post and if one didn't think they were only after money, BEFORE, they certainly won't feel that way after having read it.

I guess any publicity is better than none, eh?


that was exactly my first thought.
Actually I had to laugh, cause they managed to demask themselves quite effectively with that.

At least their value principles are very obvious (well they were so before, too, but now there really is no way around it).


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Belage
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posted September 08, 2012 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was a very weird read.

If they want to debunk their critics, all they have to do is show proof of the money they have made in the stock market using astrology.

All the rest is over-the-top posturing. No one is going to take them seriously.

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posted September 08, 2012 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
Magi Astrology is bogus and so is their silly contest. A fair contest would be one where two the two contestants agree on a FAIR set of rules, not this hogwash.

[b]Besides that, they are playing revisionist history with the meanings of Chiron and Venus by trying to say that Chiron is the planet of love and Venus is just the planet of sexual partners and nothing more. Riiiiiiiiight.


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To be fair to them, that's not really unique to them; I've lost track of how many times I've seen people rewriting the rules of astrology to suit themselves and whatever theory they're pushing/want to believe in. Changing the meanings of planets; changing planetary rulerships. Changing the meaning of aspects, it goes on and on. If we're gonna string up the Magi folks for that, we should go after everyone else too for consistency's sake, but really we'd be here all day if we did...

Having said that, I don't have a horse in this race. I've read a few Magi astrology links over the years and I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe they're onto something, maybe they aren't, I have no idea. I will say though that I think the over-the-top rules and the contest thing are just stupid; if what they say has any validity to it ultimately time will prove it anyway.

Throwing down gauntlets and getting worked up over what people say about them is just silly. Let the astrology speak for itself, and if there's anything to it, eventually the people who disagreed with them will have to eat their words anyway.

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posted September 08, 2012 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's just too bad that they create such unfortunate PR for themselves. Some of their work is actually brilliant.

They really pushed me to study Chiron and how it affects relationships. From them, I have gained a new understanding of how quincunxes work and how Saturn quincunxes are different from others. I have seen how correct they are when it comes to Mars/Chiron linkages. So there is a lot of valuable information in their theories, which are unfortunately overshadowed by their bombastic attitude. And also some of their theories have not stood the test of time.

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Belage
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posted September 08, 2012 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gray:
To be fair to them, that's not really unique to them; I've lost track of how many times I've seen people rewriting the rules of astrology to suit themselves and whatever theory they're pushing/want to believe in. Changing the meanings of planets; changing planetary rulerships. Changing the meaning of aspects, it goes on and on. If we're gonna string up the Magi folks for that, we should go after everyone else too for consistency's sake, but really we'd be here all day if we did...


The issue with them is that they came up with their theories and were very arrogant about it, saying traditional astrology did not work or was useless and they, the Magi astrologers, were revolutionizing astrology with new findings which they claim were based on thousands upon thousands of research. They claimed to have found THE most important astrological planets and aspects to have in a successful relationship.

Okay, then a couple of years later, they start revising stuff, promoting other planets or configuration as THE most important aspects to have in a relationship, showing no humility, and keeping the same arrogant attitude. Every couple of years, they come up with new revisions. Still same arrogance.

I bought their software and their books back in 2000, so I have been following them for quite some time. I have not kept up in the past 5 years, but most of their theories can be glanced at on their website.

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posted September 09, 2012 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
The issue with them is that they came up with their theories and were very arrogant about it, saying traditional astrology did not work or was useless and they, the Magi astrologers, were revolutionizing astrology with new findings which they claim were based on thousands upon thousands of research. They claimed to have found THE most important astrological planets and aspects to have in a successful relationship.

Okay, then a couple of years later, they start revising stuff, promoting other planets or configuration as THE most important aspects to have in a relationship, showing no humility, and keeping the same arrogant attitude. Every couple of years, they come up with new revisions. Still same arrogance.

I bought their software and their books back in 2000, so I have been following them for quite some time. I have not kept up in the past 5 years, but most of their theories can be glanced at on their website.


That still isn't a legitimate argument against them to me, because I've seen plenty of astrologers all over the internet who are the same way, think they have astrology mastered and that their partner way of reading a chart is the only right way. If that's considered valid grounds to string up astrologers, then that would be one long line and they'd need a whole lot of rope...

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posted September 09, 2012 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gray:
That still isn't a legitimate argument against them to me, because I've seen plenty of astrologers all over the internet who are the same way, think they have astrology mastered and that their partner way of reading a chart is the only right way. If that's considered valid grounds to string up astrologers, then that would be one long line and they'd need a whole lot of rope...

I agree.

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posted September 09, 2012 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish i were a mod to close this thread. Most of the posters here posting about Magi i would assume have had experiences with them in the past (myself included); those who haven't, i would urge you to take our word for it.

Those who believe they oughta be given "the benefit of the doubt"; even Magi made it perfectly clear that they do not consider you worthy to speak on their behalf unless you've listed and posted your portfolio and earnings for the year 2011/2012.

I would advise everyone else to call them up and ask for information on their services if you'd like.. Take into account just exactly how much time they devote to answering your questions and giving you certain details before they start pushing something for you to purchase from them...

Once you've done so, start a new thread.

So that if i were a mod, i could pretend that anyone cared and actually did it before i close that thread, too. hhehehehehehe

(all in good fun, guys. Carry on.)

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posted September 09, 2012 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh Magi astrology... They try to manipulate you and I love their quote on quote "cinderella" aspects - because everyone is looking for their prince charming - cha!

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posted September 09, 2012 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gray:
That still isn't a legitimate argument against them to me, because I've seen plenty of astrologers all over the internet who are the same way, think they have astrology mastered and that their partner way of reading a chart is the only right way. If that's considered valid grounds to string up astrologers, then that would be one long line and they'd need a whole lot of rope...

LOL. I get what you're saying.

I will not criticize an individual astrologer's way of practicing astrology and his or her many reversals of thought process. However, I will continue to feel free to comment and criticize an organization from which I have purchased products if I feel they didn't quite deliver. In fact, even if I had not purchased their products, I would still feel free to criticize them if I saw fit.


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posted September 09, 2012 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For some weird reason, I can't see my previous post, but I am sure it's there so I just wanted to add:

I don't just string up Magi Astrology. I also give them props for what I feel are valuable contributions to my astrological understanding. So I think all in all, I am being very fair to them.

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Got Gemini??
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posted September 12, 2012 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only kudos I give them is for helping me understand declinations and quincunxes. Other than that, their reports are pretty over the top.

I just don't buy into their revisionist history on Juno, Venus, and Chiron.

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posted September 12, 2012 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for quinnlycanastro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that their material on Juno and Chiron is questionable and they're really negative about Sedna. I can't see how they get their interpretations at all.

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