posted September 07, 2012 04:29 PM            

I know there's quite a few Pluto Moon people here so I'd love to know what you guys think especially.

posted September 07, 2012 05:01 PM            

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posted September 07, 2012 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Accurate at some points, other ones I couldn't relate to. I don't think my relationship with my mother is deep but she can provoke the rage in me quicker than anybody I've ever met in my life. She is antagonistic, controlling, and manipulative and I've known this since I was very young (we've fought my entire life.) Just the other day I was ****** off thinking of how selfish she's actually been most of my adult life, however I didn't want to rehash old wounds, open new ones and the whole brewhaha. So I tried staying out of my parents' way, speaking only when necessary. My mom asked me why I wasn't speaking to them and I simply said because I didn't want to. As I'm in the car backing out of the garage my mom came out and made me open my door so she could give me a hug and tell me she loved me. I know it sounds really loving and touching and whatnot but that kind of thing makes me defensive and catches me off guard. She isn't touchy-feely like that normally, and I just see it as she's trying to kill me with kindness because she has an inkling of why I'm so moody, and inkling that she's responsible for triggering that. But no one really understands the inner world of a Moon/Pluto mother/child relationship unless they have it.

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Yeah it's a relationship that will always be very complicated and layered with different emotions. I very much understand what you mean. I get the same feeling from my mom pretty regularly, that her actions are very guilt-driven, either to instill it within me or alleviate her own guilt over something or both. Lots of mothers tend to do this actually. It's just that Moon-Pluto moms take it to, of course, such extremes that it can be terribly manipulative.

What is your Moon sign, by the way, and the Pluto aspect to it?

posted September 07, 2012 10:05 PM            

" Because of this, my mother held a deeply unspoken kind of power over me, which she wasn't always above using to her benefit. My mother can be really sweet, warm and loving, but she definitely has a tyrannical side to her personality. She can play subtle power games to maintain her control, particularly over me. Even in moments of warmth, the closeness can feel suffocating or restricting. I always had a hard time feeling like an individual around her, even though I repressed much of my frustrations about it growing up. "

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I'VE BEEN FEELING LATELY! I've always seen her as such a beautiful, kind, and strong woman but that image was totally shattered in the past couple of months, it's like I just "woke up" and actually looked at everything rather than turning a blind eye to the things I didn't want to see. She has sun square pluto in less than 1 degree and an aries moon and it's been one eye opening experience while in arguments. ..

It's funny because I was just looking up moon/pluto in my natal chart today. I have sun sextile pluto at 1'32 and moon trine pluto at 5'14

I also have moon square mars... When I first got into astrology I swear I couldn't identify with this aspect but with the issues I've had with my mom lately I definitely can.

posted September 07, 2012 10:10 PM            

loved these..

i'm moon in leo in h10 conjunct cancer mc square pluto in scorpio at the very end of h12 conjunct my scorpio rising.

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The positive Plutonian mother will be very strong, deeply loving, and an unconditional resource of support for her child. But, still, the Plutonian mother always holds a certain profound power over her offspring, even if she isn't treacherous or disturbed.

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Thus, the Moon-Pluto child or teenager, even if they are really sweet and adorable at heart, is something like a little hurricane, turning the house upside down with their seething moods and torrid dramas. Although they are terribly sensitive, they also develop steely shells to help protect them as they acquire more hurts with age. Still, they have more substance than half their peers put together and seek very deep attachments in their relationships. And who is usually our primary relationship growing up and our constant source of support? Our mother.

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She could be downright manipulative at times and was exceptionally skilled at keeping her darker motives hidden (a trait widely attributed to Pluto/Scorpio). And that my relationship with her was more than a bit dysfunctional and crippling me from growing as an adult.

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For my mother, however, with Pluto square her Moon, I think the awareness of this dysfunctionalism is a bit difficult for her to grasp, unlike me who with the Pluto conjunct my Moon, has a more natural grasp and integration of my Pluto energies.

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My relationship with my mother has been slowly healing a bit. I see her clearly for who she is. I still love her as deeply as I did when I was a child, but just with eyes open now. My mother definitely has some darkness in her, as do I and everyone else. And my relationship with her is what has made me so deeply insightful and so able to be honest and work with my own darkness, as well as everyone else's, without fear.

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posted September 07, 2012 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Yeah it's a relationship that will always be very complicated and layered with different emotions. I very much understand what you mean. I get the same feeling from my mom pretty regularly, that her actions are very guilt-driven, either to instill it within me or alleviate her own guilt over something or both. Lots of mothers tend to do this actually. It's just that Moon-Pluto moms take it to, of course, such extremes that it can be terribly manipulative.

What is your Moon sign, by the way, and the Pluto aspect to it?

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Guilt driven! Nice term.

posted September 08, 2012 12:48 AM            

Your blog post of this position resonated with me very well. I was born in a different country; my mom left me with my dad for the first 3 years of my life after immigrating to America. When she went back to bring me along with her, I was told that I barely knew she was my mom. I was scared and did not want to leave my dad. So, at 3 years of age, I immigrated to America with just my mom (who barely knew English at the time.) Despite us not communicating much, I had a deep, deep love for her and was overprotective. She worked long hours at night, and I prayed every night that she'd come back home and be okay. That she didn't somehow get involved in a terrible accident and I'd be left alone in America. I felt like I was the mother for her instead of the other way around.

posted September 08, 2012 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by GirlinSeattle:
She makes me furious faster than anyone or any thing (maybe because I have this subconscious resentment for her when I was young?). We fought almost every day for about 3-4 years straight. She and I seem to butt heads at every road.

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posted September 08, 2012 04:53 AM            

I did take the time to skim the article and saw what equated to one paragraph saying that it's not always true and that sometimes the mother is a positive force for the person, but then remainder of the post was spent basically going on about mommy issues.

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Very well written. Moon/Pluto sounds like quite a challenge. There's only one person I know of distantly who has a Moon/Pluto aspect, and he seems to have this calm surface, but so much turmoil underneath. It doesn't sound easy for you folks.

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This is another thing I can't stand either, the patronizing clucks and assumptions that everyone with the two in aspect is some tortured individual, which is total boolsheet. That just shows the fundamental ignorance about the aspect among people who don't have it and can't understand it. We're emotionally intense - whatever we feel, we feel strongly. Makes sense considering that the moon is associated with emotions, and pluto is power or intensity. Basic mathematical equation.

posted September 08, 2012 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Gray:
We're emotionally intense - whatever we feel, we feel strongly. Makes sense considering that the moon is associated with emotions, and pluto is power or intensity. Basic mathematical equation.

But just because everything you feel, you feel intensely, doesn't mean that all your emotions are negative. Moon-Pluto means emotional intensity and depth, period - something that a lot of people may not be able to understand because emotionally their waters don't run as deep. That doesn't mean we spend all our days crying into our soup. Don't feel sorry for us, because we don't want it, and I assure you, we can handle anything dumped into our laps.

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posted September 08, 2012 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Gray:
This is a topic that always sets my teeth on edge because nine times out of ten, you get some interpretation saying that the mother was a monster or something, and that was never ever my experience of my mother, and I have Moon conjunct Pluto at a two degree orb, in the eighth house.

I did take the time to skim the article and saw what equated to one paragraph saying that it's not always true and that sometimes the mother is a positive force for the person, but then remainder of the post was spent basically going on about mommy issues.

This is another thing I can't stand either, the patronizing clucks and assumptions that everyone with the two in aspect is some tortured individual, which is total boolsheet. That just shows the fundamental ignorance about the aspect among people who don't have it and can't understand it. We're emotionally intense - whatever we feel, we feel strongly. Makes sense considering that the moon is associated with emotions, and pluto is power or intensity. Basic mathematical equation.

But just because everything you feel, you feel intensely, doesn't mean that all your emotions are negative. Moon-Pluto means emotional intensity and depth, period - something that a lot of people may not be able to understand because emotionally their waters don't run as deep. That doesn't mean we spend all our days crying into our soup. Don't feel sorry for us, because we don't want it, and I assure you, we can handle anything dumped into our laps.

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Gray, I can see where you're coming from but in no way, shape or form was my blog entry an act of self-pity and self-dramatization. It's really the bare-knuckles TRUTH about my relationship with my mother. I only spoke about mommy issues because, well, I have them and I don't see any reason to skirt around the subject.

And as I said in the post, yes not all Moon-Pluto mothers are monsters and can be powerfully positive forces in their child's lives. BUT, let's not ignore the fact that 95% of the people who've been responding have said how much my experiences resonated and mirrored their own experiences. So, there must be some kind of pattern. There's always exceptions and, like I said, I hate gross generalizations. But, the Moon-Pluto mother/child relationship, most of the time, will be complex and intense and a bit difficult.

My entry was really a sort of catharsis. As a Plutonian, I'm compelled to look at the truth and it's not always pretty. I think there's a difference between that kind of raw, honest analysis and a "poor me, my life sucks" attitude, which I don't have. Yes, Moon-Pluto people are more than capable of rising above anything and I believe that our negative experiences with our mothers can definitely result in powerful inner strength and resourcefulness. But, you can't get to that point if you're repressing your true feelings, as I said and as a couple other posters said they did.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case for you and your mother. I know neither of you. But, these types of patterns are very common with Moon-Pluto aspects. That's something that obviously can't be denied.

As a side note, I'm glad everyone else really got something out of the post because that was my aim all along. I think the more you know that other people have had the same experiences as you, the less alone and misunderstood you feel.

posted September 08, 2012 02:36 PM            

millyx, I can understand your post, too... exactly. I hate to talk about it sometimes, because it does seem like "poor me" stuff in the eyes of others. Its nice to read this.

I really like your blog. Im going to start following it

posted September 08, 2012 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:

And as I said in the post, yes not all Moon-Pluto mothers are monsters and can be powerfully positive forces in their child's lives. BUT, let's not ignore the fact that 95% of the people who've been responding have said how much my experiences resonated and mirrored their own experiences.

mother/child relationship, most of the time, experiences with our mothers can definitely result in powerful inner strength and resourcefulness. But, you can't get to that point if you're repressobviously can't be denied.

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Its important to know that people who talk about their bad mother relationship also need to talk about the problem. All the pluto-moon people who not got this kind of problem are not interested to put a word on it.

Its always the same. If I ask about something on internet I will always get 95 percent answer from people who are critical and dissatisfied. Thats the reality. People who is satisfied dont care and wont reply. If we have luck maybe 5 percent about the people who are satisfied will answer.

The best is real reserach about people and aspects. You need to do a directed study into people's life.