posted September 09, 2012 06:32 PM            

From my perspective, squares/oppositions to Saturn and Pluto from the Sun and the Moon are the worst; but someone with an afflicted Venus may say Venus square/opposite/conjunct (?) an outer planet is worse; or someone with a difficult 12th house position will say the 12th house is worse, etc.

posted September 09, 2012 07:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
Maybe the background counts here. i have 4 planets in 12, but am a Pisces, i love my 12th house, but have probably thru my Pisces energy the tools to handle it.
My sister is a Leo, she has 5 plantets in 12, she can't handle it at all, is afraid of her own shadow,
My brother who is an Aquarius, has 3 planets in 12, he seems to be better with it, but has hickups with it as well.

what a family...

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It is fascinating to see so many astrological similarities within families.

posted September 09, 2012 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

ugh! it does suck lol

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posted September 09, 2012 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You have a point Lotis, but you would have a ruler of another house in the 12th House, so may have quite a bit of sorrow from the house, from which the ruler came. Do you agree/disagree?

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Yes. In a sense it is true that I experienced some loss with regard to my Neptune house. I’ve got Pisces on the IC with Neptune in the 12th house, and my mother was not a strong presence in my life for the majority of my childhood. My parents separated and I was raised by my Aries Dad from 7 years of age. I’ve also got my Cancer Moon sitting in the 8th house with emphasizes the ‘lost mother’ theme. Interestingly, my grandmother took over the mothering role for me… And she’s a Cancer with Pluto conjunct the Sun.

On the positive side I don’t feel any ill will toward my mother and understand that things had to be the way that the were. The blame game is stupid and doesn’t help. I think Pisces is a very accepting forgiving energy. My parents lived in different countries so I either had to be without a mother or a father… There’s no sense crying over spilled milk. I’m at peace with it.

I have to say, though, that Neptune in the 12th has given me a rich imagination, and an abundance of intuition… I used to make up fairy stories to tell my young cousins while we were growing up, and I can strongly visualize what I’m imagining, and can see it playing out in my mind like a movie. I’ve always had a keen interest in metaphysics and am very ‘sensitive’ in that way. I can feel the energy of people and places. I also really enjoy my alone time where I can study, dream, and fantasize. Some people can’t handle too much time alone but I often crave it.

One thing I’ve noticed about 12th house placement is the people either keep this part of themselves private, for when they are alone, or they give this part of themselves away to others, as a type of service to help the needy, sort of thing.

posted September 09, 2012 10:04 PM            

People may want to say an afflicted Venus may suck, if they are having romantic problems, as opposed to someone married for many years with the same natal aspect. Or perhaps a career problem is their main worry, so they indicate an afflicted Mars. If their family is a huge problem, they may indicate an afflicted Moon.

Cut down to the basics, I think a square or opposition to one's core self [Sun/Moon] is probably the "worst" of the worst, regardless of what is squaring/opposing.

Romantically, I would rather say a square or opposition between Venus and Chiron is worse than Saturn. Saturn is restrictive, whereas Chiron is chronically painful.

Drive-wise, Mars in square or opposition to Saturn is harsh.

You have to remember too, that a person's natal squares and oppositions may actually become their strongest assets, because it requires conscious compromise and adjustment as opposed to blind luck. These natives, when they apply themselves to address their difficulties instead of avoiding them - they become the real experts who can handle sudden problems better than someone with, say, a trine.

Take Mars square Saturn, for example. Avoided, it manifests as a person who drags their feet, has a hard time beginning projects, afraid to assert themself, etc. However, when applied, few people will be able to outlast the sheer stamina of a Mars-Saturn square. Mars "goes", and Saturn "sticks".

posted September 09, 2012 10:07 PM            

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a ruler of another house in the 12th House, so may have quite a bit of sorrow from the house

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posted September 10, 2012 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Sun conjunct saturn in fourth house,have to work hard for everything,no luck.

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posted September 10, 2012 01:42 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
sun trine jupiter. makes u lazy as hell.

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posted September 10, 2012 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
yes i do. venus trine jupiter too actually.

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posted September 10, 2012 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Saturn + Pluto squares.
Worst.
Neptune squares can be sort of nice..

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Oh, that's the silliest thing I've read all day.

Saturn and Pluto squares just stop you from being a p*ssy, excuse my French. I'm grateful for those squares; whatever chutzpah I have, I get from those.

posted September 10, 2012 05:58 PM            

Mars square Pluto(worst one)

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Mars square Sun

Mars conjunction Moon

posted September 10, 2012 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by dadevi:
What would you consider the worst possible aspects to have?

I think having a lot of squares to your sun sign would be a major liability. Imagine having your mercury, jupiter, venus, pluto, and moon square your sun. That would be like fighting a losing battle against yourself!

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Mercury can't be square your sun. Mercury is never far enough away from the sun to square it. Can Venus even be that far? I don't think it can

Anyways
I have hard aspects to my sun but EVERY planet aspects my sun so maybe that is why it isn't so bad.

posted September 10, 2012 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I have Venus square Saturn 0 degrees applying, I don't think it's that bad.

Saturn on the DSC is worse, IMO.

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I have Venus opposite Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn and its not bad. If anything it helps my Gemini Venus slow down which suits my fixed sun/moon/asc better anyways.

posted September 11, 2012 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by libraschoice77:
^If you are referring to me, thanks I try my best lol

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