posted September 14, 2012 09:41 AM            

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i'm thinking of starting up my own video blog or just a normal blog to share that goes through my mind. I've been studying astrology for about 6 years, now and i've learned so much so fast that posting here everything i'd like to share would maybe overwhelm some of you so i'm considering starting up my own.

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12th house: how do express that sign or planet and what types of people have you seen expressing those traits of the planet or sign in your twelfth throughout history?

posted September 14, 2012 10:30 AM            

12H cusp in Capricorn.
None of my ways are expressed in a cappy manner. I have seen many but never wanted to get really close. Usually, they're Capricorn suns.

-Do they express it easier?
What is different between their lifestyle and yours?

They always seem phlegmatic and boring so I don't know if their energy was flowing easily or the opposite.

I live my life with no regrets, but them, they calculate each move they make and regret it later. They build very high walls around them, I just talk to people like I've known since childhood. They're so punctual and systematic ... I'm exactly the opposite.

-What makes their lifestyle possible?

Looking back at the Cappy people I've known, they literally do tear themselves apart in work, not so good in maintaining their physical fitness and that's impossible for me to accept , let alone the dull social life they have.

-what keeps yours from surpassing their potential?

um, I think nothing.

* oh and that was about the people I knew

posted September 14, 2012 11:56 AM            

i dont express aqua qualities at all....although im a bit of an eccentric but in a pisces way

most people ive seen who exspress aqua energy best are aquas themselves but i usually keep off....

i often dislike them for being so emotionally disconnected that some of them seem to me like shallow emotionless dolls

also they have fairly shallow connections woth a lot of people and i dislike that as i belive you should be close to your friends or dont be at all

i instead live life with full emotion and cant take my feelings out of anything XD although with my saturn on the 1st i cann appear unemotional....but thats just skin deep

i think their lifestyle is possible becuse it is widely accepted nowdays and cinsidered the 'right' lifestyle to have

but in my opinion they are just losing one dimension of their life

posted September 14, 2012 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Gray:
This doesn't even make sense because the 12th is YOUR subconscious, not OTHER people. I think you got it confused with the seventh house.

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posted September 14, 2012 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
if im not mistaken people sometimes attach their own subconcious feelings to other people...this is called projection if my memory isnt mistaken

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posted September 14, 2012 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
true, but i have to agree with Gray... the 7th house opposes the 1st for a reason because it's said to be what we project on partners, etc.

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but does it have to be the only influence? i belive it doesent have to

posted September 14, 2012 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
but does it have to be the only influence? i belive it doesent have to

in the 7th house we might project what we like and in the 12 we might project what we dislike....thats a possible explanation

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posted September 14, 2012 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Oh, I didn't know 12th house had to do with dislikes. Why wouldn't 7th have to do with dislikes also?

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well i wasnt saying that they are connected to dislikes but usually 12 house subjects are usually problematic and every interpretation of the 12 house cusp usually meant problems in the signs area

so i just thought that people who exspress problematic qualities inside ones personality might be taken at a dislike

posted September 14, 2012 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
well i wasnt saying that they are connected to dislikes but usually 12 house subjects are usually problematic and every interpretation of the 12 house cusp usually meant problems in the signs area

so i just thought that people who exspress problematic qualities inside ones personality might be taken at a dislike

but for the record the 7th house can also be used for dislike as it is the house of open enemies....just remember that the 12 house is the house of secret enemies...

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posted September 14, 2012 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
What are secret enemies anyhow? Not arguing with you, I just never understood that term. Like, what good is it naming a house as one of secret enemies? We don't know about them thus there's nothing to apply. If we knew about our "enemies" they'd be open enemies and therefore in the 7th house... right?

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posted September 14, 2012 01:32 PM            

(though I definitely wouldn`t limit the 12th house symbolism to that of secret enemies or dislikes.)

posted September 14, 2012 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
So what if you have Mars in there? Does that stand for men doing things behind your back?

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posted September 14, 2012 01:45 PM            

I have Mars in my 12th house, though it is only 2 degrees off my ASC And in the sign of my ASC, so I might be a special case, but no, never had any problems with men doing things behind my back.

In my case it is more that my Martian traits often sneak up on me, anger as well as sexual attraction for example.
In a way these attributes are part of my shadow, and surface often in times when I am really stressed out or expect it the least.
Speaking of my Mars I learned to address my anger from time to time deliberately, otherwise it will explode like a pressurecooker, cause I have stuffed too much inside and it all comes out in a big eruption, and often is directed against myself (my Mars rules IC, and there is a bit of auto-aggression with that placement - in my case at least, maybe also because Neptune is on the ASC and conjunct Mars).

On the other hand Mars is also there in the times when I really need it. When I run out of fuel, and really feel like I can`t go on anymore, no energy or whatoever, it is like suddenly all these energy ressources I hadnīt been aware of spring open.
I usually have more energy than I would expect myself. The thing is that I think other people see my Mars quite well, it is just my own blind spot oftentimes.

Oh and even though I have some difficulties with maintaining healthy boundaries and fight back in the right amount, when I had been attacked (well speaking in the past tense her obviously ) ), when it was for a higher goal, an idea I believed in, something that I htough was benefitting people, or animals or whatever collectively (a very 12th house term: the collective), I had no problems to assert myself to fight for the "good cause".

posted September 14, 2012 03:49 PM            

I admire some Cancer traits, I love how they are generally loyal, sweet, expressive, protective. They seem raw and real to me, and I can accept their moodiness, but I can not accept my own. I am very nurturing of people close to me, its a safe outlet for my feelings, but when it comes to letting people know what I need, I feel completely exposed and weak.

I won't compare my life to others', but I will say that I hope to form real connections in the future. I'm working really hard on accepting myself. Most of the time, especially when it comes to romantic attachments, I rely a lot on my Gemini Venus in the 11th, and I feel safer once I have a safe, solid foundation of friendship, then I can start to let someone in little by little. But overall, I don't feel deeply close to many people, and it makes me really sad to feel so isolated and alone. Superficial interactions drain me.

I don't believe I have secret enemies. The women that dislike me from the start usually come around when I act like i'm oblivious to their secret dislike. I never befriend them, but we certainly get along after a while. If its not someone I have to be around, I don't bother. I have no such issues with men and I like that they are usually easy going, and accepting. Drama is exhausting.

My Moon is by far the thing I struggle with most. 12th house is a dozy, but I know that I will eventually gain enough courage to get out of my shell, to be real and share myself with the world. Then I will be unstoppable

posted September 14, 2012 03:58 PM            

I cannot easily push down my rage, and I have OCD and obsessive tendencies romantically [remember Pluto rules my Venus...]. But once I get control over them, I really do maintain control-for a time. Then it comes back out, with a vengeance, these obsessive, controlling and raging tendencies. I can be subtly manipulative and controlling of people at times and it causes me a great pain to realize I am doing it. My Plutonian self really does exist but sometimes I have a hard time channeling it and it can come out unexpectedly and with too much force. You can't say that you easily express a 12th house planet or asteroid. It comes out in unexpected bursts after being pushed down for too long IF it can be expressed at all. You were born with this planet out of reach and sometimes idolized in your soul.

That's why I feel that someone can really be karmically drawn to people who have the qualities of their 12th house and planets there, but also feel uncomfortable with these kinds of people. E.G., I am most connected to Scorpio Sun, Moon and Mercury people but these people have caused me the greatest griefs at times in my life since they have made me take a hard look at my self, the way I feel and think.

posted September 14, 2012 04:34 PM            

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-[b]how do express that sign or planet and what types of people have you seen expressing those traits of the planet or sign in your twelfth throughout history?

12H cusp in Capricorn.
None of my ways are expressed in a cappy manner. I have seen many but never wanted to get really close. Usually, they're Capricorn suns.

-Do they express it easier?
What is different between their lifestyle and yours?

They always seem phlegmatic and boring so I don't know if their energy was flowing easily or the opposite.

I live my life with no regrets, but them, they calculate each move they make and regret it later. They build very high walls around them, I just talk to people like I've known since childhood. They're so punctual and systematic ... I'm exactly the opposite.

-What makes their lifestyle possible?

Looking back at the Cappy people I've known, they literally do tear themselves apart in work, not so good in maintaining their physical fitness and that's impossible for me to accept , let alone the dull social life they have.

-what keeps yours from surpassing their potential?

um, I think nothing.

* oh and that was about the people I knew

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This is very good. Thanks for answering it like this.

With cap in the twelfth, Cancer is on your 6th. Making it a daily necessity to be emotionally somehow involved in what you do and being less concerned with the (for topics sake) the capness.

But, when it comes to your life, though... Do you find yourself often needing the help of someone else or randomly get reminders that if you had more structure in your life you'd probably be able to accomplish all that you'd like and even have the time you'd like for your friends? That only if you thought of it as something you'd be doing for yourself and less as something related to "work"..

posted September 14, 2012 04:59 PM            

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12th house: how do express that sign or planet and what types of people have you seen expressing those traits of the planet or sign in your twelfth throughout history?

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Leo on the 12th House Cusp.

I usually love Leos and we get along really well. We express ourselves similarly. I have Jupiter in Leo but it's in the 11th house- so I am free to express that energy since it's not held down by the 12th.
I am generous with my friends and family and ~can be a warm person. Since creativity is assigned into the House of Leo (the 5th - I have a stellium there) I guess it can be characterized as a Leo trait. I am in art school. I might not be the most creative of the bunch but I'm good enough.

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Do they express it easier?

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With 'they' I guess you mean Leos?
I don't really know how to answer that. Some do, some don't. It's pretty even.

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I think they express it more naturally. I don't force it, it's part of me, but I am a different sign and I give off a different vibe sometimes. They put their Leo energy in all parts of their lives while I am more reserved in some situations.

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What makes their lifestyle possible and what keeps yours from surpassing their potential?

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I have certain fears to overcome. As a Virgo I'm very critical of myself and sometimes it inhibits me to let loose and try something that I might not be as good at yet. I think I have to work towards it and let myself be sloppy sometimes. I know the potential to do that is there I just have to unleash it. That sounds easier than it is though.

posted September 14, 2012 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
This is very good. Thanks for answering it like this.

With cap in the twelfth, Cancer is on your 6th. Making it a daily necessity to be emotionally somehow involved in what you do and being less concerned with the (for topics sake) the capness.

But, when it comes to your life, though... Do you find yourself often needing the help of someone else or randomly get reminders that if you had more structure in your life you'd probably be able to accomplish all that you'd like and even have the time you'd like for your friends? That only if you thought of it as something you'd be doing for yourself and less as something related to "work"..

I'll tell you whetre i'm going with this in a minute.

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here's the thing:

Sometimes I DO wish I had a better staying power or focus... because I lack it.

But structure. No. Because I'm capable of being highly systematic and punctual, but I always feel it cages my creativity ... so I drop it! Sometimes, I arrive school so early, but I turn up to the classe minutes late and I do that intentionally! ( I know it's weird, blame it on the aqua rising).

posted September 14, 2012 05:42 PM            

The inconjunction would be the aspect responsible for UNDERSTANDING. i asked about what lifestyle they lead because the sixth (opposite twelfth) is what daily routines are about.

Once the fifth and seventh are taken into acct, you could understand how the twelfth could be a house that's neglected.

For instance, Lava Flower has Cancer in her twelfth. Cancer is looking at reckless Aquarius and Sagittarius; no wonder it's freaked out with having constant security.

Capricorn on the twelfth is looking at Gemini in the Fifth and Leo in the seventh. It can take structure for granted because all it wants to do is more or less, have fun.

So, all of it boils down to understanding and understanding leads to freedom and freedom free's up anything that may be locked in that twelfth house once there are steps taken to better itergrate it with your fifth and seventh.

posted September 14, 2012 06:21 PM            

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Am I the only one here who expresses their 12th house to the point where...

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I remember someone once said...the AC is what people see, the Twelfth is behind it, being what they don't see, like a shadow behind the part of you light shines on. But! They said you do have control over what side faces the light, what side of you they see. I have Leo twelfth and I think my Mars factors in...

'cause once I decide to go ahead and attract attention

the game is ON!

posted September 14, 2012 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I remember someone once said...the AC is what people see, the Twelfth is behind it, being what they don't see, like a shadow behind the part of you light shines on. But! They said you do have control over what side faces the light, what side of you they see. I have Leo twelfth and I think my Mars factors in...

'cause once I decide to go ahead and attract attention

the game is ON!

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Hey! I also have Leo in the 12th.
I guess that sign just want to be out there.