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asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 05:34 PM
  
Which aspects or house placements make a person a liar?
Which aspects make a person honest?IP: Logged |
Gray
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posted September 18, 2012 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Which aspects or house placements make a person a liar?
Which aspects make a person honest?
Mercury-Neptune. Having said that though, it can manifest in any number of ways, not just as deception. It could give issues with reality in terms of the thinking processes, that sort of thing. Or on the positive side, creative thinking. Whether that person chooses to take that and use it to be dishonest, is up to them. Not everybody with Mercury-Neptune or Mercury in Pisces, lies their face off all the time. My mom had the latter placement and was very earnest, straightforward and honest. You have to look at the entire chart as a whole and how it works together, and even then, there's always free will in the equation in terms of how a person chooses to use the energies they have. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted September 18, 2012 06:15 PM
Mars-Neptune can make one a little or a lot deceptive about what they are doing or how they express their true intentions depending on the rest of the natal chart. I'm actually speaking for myself since I've got the opposition with Mars in the 8th and Neptune-Uranus in the 2nd. Sometimes out of fear of what will happen if I tell the truth, I will lie; sometimes I will sneak a little to get what I want. I'm a little cunning when I want to be. At other times, it's because I am very confused about what my feelings are and where my alliances lie; so it's easier for me to speak about someone else and how horrible they are to others versus confronting them and speaking to them directly. It isn't the same as gossip, more of the unburdening of my anger onto the wrong people.
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asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Mars-Neptune can make one a little or a lot deceptive about what they are doing or how they express their true intentions depending on the rest of the natal chart. I'm actually speaking for myself since I've got the opposition with Mars in the 8th and Neptune-Uranus in the 2nd. Sometimes out of fear of what will happen if I tell the truth, I will lie; sometimes I will sneak a little to get what I want. I'm a little cunning when I want to be. At other times, it's because I am very confused about what my feelings are and where my alliances lie; so it's easier for me to speak about someone else and how horrible they are to others versus confronting them and speaking to them directly. It isn't the same as gossip, more of the unburdening of my anger onto the wrong people.
OK I was thinking about mars-neptune too! What if it is a mars square neptune transit? IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 07:57 PM
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Mercury-Neptune.Having said that though, it can manifest in any number of ways, not just as deception. It could give issues with reality in terms of the thinking processes, that sort of thing. Or on the positive side, creative thinking. Whether that person chooses to take that and use it to be dishonest, is up to them. Not everybody with Mercury-Neptune or Mercury in Pisces, lies their face off all the time. My mom had the latter placement and was very earnest, straightforward and honest. You have to look at the entire chart as a whole and how it works together, and even then, there's always free will in the equation in terms of how a person chooses to use the energies they have.
Mercury-neptune! Thanks for the insight IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 07:59 PM
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Mercury-Neptune.Having said that though, it can manifest in any number of ways, not just as deception. It could give issues with reality in terms of the thinking processes, that sort of thing. Or on the positive side, creative thinking. Whether that person chooses to take that and use it to be dishonest, is up to them. Not everybody with Mercury-Neptune or Mercury in Pisces, lies their face off all the time. My mom had the latter placement and was very earnest, straightforward and honest. You have to look at the entire chart as a whole and how it works together, and even then, there's always free will in the equation in terms of how a person chooses to use the energies they have.
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posted September 18, 2012 08:05 PM
I have aries mars square capricorn Neptune and I think I am the most honest person I know. Maybe I wasn't so much when I was younger but when I grew into my Taurus moon perhaps I became so unbelievably honest and upfront with my emotions, circumstances, actions etc. I am not sure if it's the Capricorn Neptune? I am not sure if yours is there too sweet-Scorpion. Perhaps it's my triple fixed that makes me more honest. I'm an open book with people close to me. My Taurus father stressed the importance of honesty my whole life too. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 08:06 PM
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I have aries mars square capricorn Neptune and I think I am the most honest person I know. Maybe I wasn't so much when I was younger but when I grew into my Taurus moon perhaps I became so unbelievably honest and upfront with my emotions, circumstances, actions etc. I am not sure if it's the Capricorn Neptune? I am not sure if yours is there too sweet-Scorpion. Perhaps it's my triple fixed that makes me more honest. I'm an open book with people close to me. My Taurus father stressed the importance of honesty my whole life too.
I am super honest too. I can't stand lies. They make me sick to my stomach. I know for sure I have the majority of my signs in earth. I love taurus moons by the way, so hi! (I have virgo moon) IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted September 18, 2012 08:07 PM
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OK I was thinking about mars-neptune too!What if it is a mars square neptune transit?
Definitely a possibility for that transit. I would expect something like that to crop up, and probably even worse than the opposition, since in the opposition the planets are uneasily arguing with each other about not bending - but the square is full on tension and combat. So expect urges to lie, sidestep the truth, tell white lies, or a combination of things, and also the feeling that you can't directly go for what you want. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Definitely a possibility for that transit. I would expect something like that to crop up, and probably even worse than the opposition, since in the opposition the planets are uneasily arguing with each other about not bending - but the square is full on tension and combat. So expect urges to lie, sidestep the truth, tell white lies, or a combination of things, and also the feeling that you can't directly go for what you want.
OK thank you. Sometimes I get super stressed out and exhausted like I am juggling a bunch of things in my hands and they are all falling. Also, I can't seem to tell the man I love that I am in love with him! I wanted to write a love letter but I can't because I cannot concentrate. IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2012 08:13 PM
Here are the aspects i've noticed to be predisposed to that:Mercury sq./opp. Neptune
Mercury sq./opp. Jupiter -Placements: Mercury in Pisces
Mars in Pisces
Mars in Gemini
South Node in Gemini Though in the case of Mercury and it's ASPECTS, i will say that you'd have to see how it is that they will use it. Someone with Mercury in hard aspect to both Neptune AND Pluto may color their words to get the upper hand. There's only so much that can be explained in a forum; hope you get the gist of it. If the mercury has no other outlet than that neptune and makes no trine to jupiter (which would give leanings towards a highly principled, studious and honest individual) for example, i'd take it with grains of salt. Pluto and Mercury can also lie too but i've found those to be too emotional about it and one can pick up on it. It takes effort for them to be subtle and coy and they'd much prefer to just come out with it so i've been one to pick up on the discomfort.. Dunno if that "feeler" is there for everyone else. Same goes for Mercury in Scorpio... They have an almost allergic reaction to telling a lie; not against it but one can usually tell. Mercury in Cancer is hard enough to understand as is.. I'm not sure whether to throw them into the gauntlet because everything is relative to THEM, even the truth... The one most inclined to lie, would be those with South Node in Gemini. It is downright the worst placement for that; to everyone and themselves because they get caught quicker than anyone else. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by C1ND3R:
Here are the aspects i've noticed to be predisposed to that:Mercury sq./opp. Neptune
Mercury sq./opp. Jupiter -Placements: Mercury in Pisces
Mars in Pisces Though in the case of Mercury and it's ASPECTS, i will say that you'd have to see how it is that they will use it. Someone with Mercury in hard aspect to both Neptune AND Pluto may color their words to get the upper hand. There's only so much that can be explained in a forum; hope you get the gist of it. If the mercury has no other outlet than that neptune and makes no trine to jupiter (which would give leanings towards a highly principled, studious and honest individual) for example, i'd take it with grains of salt.
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posted September 18, 2012 08:31 PM
I agree with the Mercury/Neptune statements...I had a friend once who had Mercury opposition Neptune and he seemed to just "fill in" his statements with whatever fantasy came to his mind at the time. I think that there just may be a confusion (neptune) for them as to the real facts (mercury). Also they may not be lying on purpose, they may just forget exactly what happened and don't want to look stupid so they make things up  . ------------------
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C1ND3R
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posted September 18, 2012 08:35 PM
Lol ^ no matter the reason behind it.. It is what it is.IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted September 18, 2012 08:46 PM
My apologies to anyone with the following aspect because it might not fit you, but I have found that people who have Jupiter square or opposite Mercury have a tendency to stretch the truth and they love telling tall tales. Based again on my observations, I do agree that Mercury in hard aspects to Neptune also tend to give truth an unnecessary makeover. Sun square or opposite Jupiter, Sun square or opposite Neptune can also create an image that is not true to reality. Not saying that those people are liar, just saying that the image they present does not often reflect who they are. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted September 18, 2012 08:51 PM
Guys, good discussion. Good answersI appreciate it as always, thank you! IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted September 18, 2012 08:52 PM
The worst liars I ever met were either mercury-neptune or mercury-pluto, but many times combined with many afflicted gemini and piseas placements.
The worst has a close moon-mercury-saturn conjunction in cancer all tightly squaring pluto and double gemini sun and asc.
The 2nd has mars in gemini opp netune foring a t square with mercury in virgo in 1st h. In her case the lying is a bit more unintentional as she is truely delusional and often cant tell the difference between reality and fantasy. IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2012 08:52 PM
The two biggest girl liars I know dont have any of these placements. They both have sag moon though. With sun Neptune aspects? Two biggest male liars were air suns with cancer moons
One (Gemini) had moon and mercury (in 12th) opposite Neptune.
2nd had mercury sextile Neptune and mars trine Neptune. 2nd guy had a five planet stellium in libra in his 12th (sun, mercury, Pluto, Jupiter, Saturn) IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted September 18, 2012 09:01 PM
C1ND3R, wow Both of these people have south node in gemini and so does a third I know thats a liar and yes they all get caught. Frequently. They only make themselves look stupid yet they cant seem to help it.
I never put that placement together before now for lying. Can you tell me what it is about it that makes them inclined to do this?
Also I wanted to add the sun-neptune thing too. That would have been my next choice.
For honesty Im saying mercury in aqua and scorp(higher types)and mercury-uranus aspects. Uranus was the "truth teller".
I have mercury conj uranus in scorpio on my desc and I swear I cant tell a lie to save my own life. I would just bust out laughing in the middle of it. IP: Logged |
greatquincunx
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posted September 18, 2012 09:04 PM
what about
mercury-jupiter?jupiter being the traditional ruler of pisces IP: Logged |
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posted September 18, 2012 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Can you tell me what it is about it that makes them inclined to do this?
NO morals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ri-iBS5XZA
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scrappydog
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posted September 18, 2012 09:49 PM
Rofl! This just proves it more because the double gem with sn gem I mentioned had sex with a 12 year old so he is technically a child molester.
The third gem sun with sn gem that I didnt mention his placements, he is much too proud for this type of behavior, but he is a career criminal and served two federal prison sentences. Unlike most gemini sun/sn though he doesnt lie near as much and he can be extremely loyal(capricorn moon?).
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posted September 18, 2012 10:15 PM
I have to add here that I have Mercury in Gem H1 opposite Neptune in H7 and I'm not a liar. My Neptune causes me issues in relationships and idealizing stuff, but Mecury is my chart ruler, conjunct my ASC and trine Pluto. I've been told I'm too honest at times so although this aspect may apply to some, you need to look at the whole chart and what other aspects are being made. I say this because if you begin to think of a single aspect meaning only one thing and also not taking free will in to account, you can end up perceiving people in a way that may not fit who they are IP: Logged |
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posted September 19, 2012 12:37 AM
These mercury neptune people definitely liars! Speaking from my own experience with one. She was a good liar though, I couldn't really differentiate her lies &truths sometimes. Other times, her lies were so obviously a LIE. She ruined a potential relationship with someone I was seeing by the he said she said. He apparently didn't find me attractive & according to her he stalked her & followed her violently everywhere. Then she had this lover from Spain who had the exact same name as her best friends baby lol! Not a coincidence - how she was hiding this guy from her family obviously cause he didn't exist oh, and she was a homewrecker worst kind the kind that constantly calls & texts the wife or girlfriend all the timeIP: Logged |
Gray
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posted September 19, 2012 12:52 AM
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Bravo
Not really. cinderblockhead has a tendency of trying to push for certain placements being exclusively tagged with negative traits just because she personally decided after a couple dozen drinks and five joints, that she doesn't like people who happen to have those placements. Remember, any yokel can join a forum and start typing, doesn't mean they actually know anything about the subject. In general those placements are no more or less inclined toward dishonesty than any other signs/placements. It's all in how a person chooses to use an energy, period. Also it's bull that Mercury-Jupiter gives no morals - especially when Jupiter IS the planet associated with morality, or at least the concept of right and wrong from a philosophical or moral (or even religious) perspective. Sure, if someone has the two in harsh aspect, they COULD turn out to be a bit morally 'fluid' and inconsistent, but again, it depends on what that aspect is doing in the context of the entire chart. And even then, if it looks like it indicates a lack of morality, that isn't guaranteed because we all have free will and can CHOOSE whether or not to act on an energy on the lowest level possible. How unfortunate for cinderblockhead that nine times out of ten, she chooses to use the energies in her chart at the lowest, most unevolved level possible. I bet if I could see auras, hers is filled only with the colors from the lowest chakras...red, anyone? IP: Logged |
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