posted September 22, 2012 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
*feeling most alive when you are in pain* is that a pluto influence?

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No, that's masochism, and Moon-Pluto isn't an inherently masochistic aspect. It can make someone emotionally intense or volatile, but there's a difference between feeling everything deeply, and getting off on pain.

It's also totally false that everyone with a Pluto-Moon (or Scorpio Moon) is in a constant state of emotional agony. That's a crock of bull. What IS true, is that whatever emotion we DO feel, we feel intensely. If we're happy, we're ecstatic; if we're in pain, we feel like we're dying. If we're mad, we're enraged. We feel the entire spectrum of emotion just like anyone else does, including positive emotions. We just feel all of them at a fever pitch. At times when I'm in a good mood and happy about something, I actually feel sorry for other people because I don't think they know what it's like to feel that level of bliss in their own head. And I'm not even talking about when something amazing happens - I'm talking about just looking outside and it's a sunny day and feeling good about it. I can go into a state of feeling sublimely positive about the most mundane nice things. Which is why at times I genuinely feel sorry for people who aren't capable of feeling things that deeply because then they can't feel that level of happiness or it takes more for them to get there, I should say.

If emotions were colors, I'd put it like this - having Pluto moon is like seeing everything in the most vivid colors possible, whereas everybody else is only able to see in more muted, duller tones. THAT is what Pluto-Moon is. It's not crying yourself to sleep everyday.

posted September 22, 2012 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Slummer:
No, that's masochism, and Moon-Pluto isn't an inherently masochistic aspect. It can make someone emotionally intense or volatile, but there's a difference between feeling everything deeply, and getting off on pain.

It's also totally false that everyone with a Pluto-Moon (or Scorpio Moon) is in a constant state of emotional agony. That's a crock of bull. What IS true, is that whatever emotion we DO feel, we feel intensely. If we're happy, we're ecstatic; if we're in pain, we feel like we're dying. If we're mad, we're enraged. We feel the entire spectrum of emotion just like anyone else does, including positive emotions. We just feel all of them at a fever pitch. At times when I'm in a good mood and happy about something, I actually feel sorry for other people because I don't think they know what it's like to feel that level of bliss in their own head. And I'm not even talking about when something amazing happens - I'm talking about just looking outside and it's a sunny day and feeling good about it. I can go into a state of feeling sublimely positive about the most mundane nice things. Which is why at times I genuinely feel sorry for people who aren't capable of feeling things that deeply because then they can't feel that level of happiness or it takes more for them to get there, I should say.

If emotions were colors, I'd put it like this - having Pluto moon is like seeing everything in the most vivid colors possible, whereas everybody else is only able to see in more muted, duller tones. THAT is what Pluto-Moon is. It's not crying yourself to sleep everyday.

Also...steer clear of the Hades Moon book. In my experience the only people who really think it's accurate, are people who don't have a Pluto Moon so they don't know the first thing about it or understand what it's like. Just like a man doesn't know the first thing about what being pregnant and giving birth, feels like. Same concept.

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posted September 22, 2012 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Slummer:
No, that's masochism, and Moon-Pluto isn't an inherently masochistic aspect. It can make someone emotionally intense or volatile, but there's a difference between feeling everything deeply, and getting off on pain.

It's also totally false that everyone with a Pluto-Moon (or Scorpio Moon) is in a constant state of emotional agony. That's a crock of bull. What IS true, is that whatever emotion we DO feel, we feel intensely. If we're happy, we're ecstatic; if we're in pain, we feel like we're dying. If we're mad, we're enraged. We feel the entire spectrum of emotion just like anyone else does, including positive emotions. We just feel all of them at a fever pitch. At times when I'm in a good mood and happy about something, I actually feel sorry for other people because I don't think they know what it's like to feel that level of bliss in their own head. And I'm not even talking about when something amazing happens - I'm talking about just looking outside and it's a sunny day and feeling good about it. I can go into a state of feeling sublimely positive about the most mundane nice things. Which is why at times I genuinely feel sorry for people who aren't capable of feeling things that deeply because then they can't feel that level of happiness or it takes more for them to get there, I should say.

If emotions were colors, I'd put it like this - having Pluto moon is like seeing everything in the most vivid colors possible, whereas everybody else is only able to see in more muted, duller tones. THAT is what Pluto-Moon is. It's not crying yourself to sleep everyday.

Also...steer clear of the Hades Moon book. In my experience the only people who really think it's accurate, are people who don't have a Pluto Moon so they don't know the first thing about it or understand what it's like. Just like a man doesn't know the first thing about what being pregnant and giving birth, feels like. Same concept.

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posted September 23, 2012 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
Yes yes yes!!! I have moon trine Pluto and this is me to a tee! In fact I feel so deeply and passionalety that it goes against cook book ideas of my Virgo sun and my Aquarius moon and Capricorn keeping me all cool headed. I am far from it. People say I am one of the most authentic people they have met because I am so real with my emotions. Full of passion. And a sunset can bring me to tears. Music moves my soul. My husband not share this aspect and its one of the few areas we don't see eye to eye on. But I can't control it. It does control me for better or worse.

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posted September 23, 2012 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
i agree!...it's sucks for moon/pluto people to be surrounded by people(who dont have this link) who dont "get" why you're soo intense, or see/feel things in ways they don't. they think you're weird, or "looking into things too deeply". its the most annoying thing EVER. before, i used to hide how intense i felt about things. i use to be afraid to openly express how passionate i felt about things. always filtering my self and feelings. because i USED to care how people saw me lol. ever since discovering astrology, and meeting some moon/pluto people who understand my intensity, it's like my "shackles" fell right off.although i dont share the personal stuff with just anyone, i now embrace it. accepting that this is just how i am.. moon/pluto too is an AMAZING aspect to share with someone in synastry/composite.as long as the other person has the aspect natally too, or strong pluto.

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posted September 23, 2012 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
"you just feel things so deeply and your expressions are so external. I dont get excited about things like you. I feel them internally. I don't have the need like you to express it."

that's harsh. both parents(but epecially my mom) used to tell me this ALLL the time growing up. which was what caused me to not want to express myself AT all. i was always socially awkward, and incapable of being intimate with someone before. i have the square natally.

Thank you for your post. it helped me.

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posted September 23, 2012 03:14 AM            

You have the square...that really must be harder to manage when something hits you deeply. And to hear from your mother to tone it down sounds no fun.

posted September 23, 2012 11:53 AM            

we are not a miserable lot 24/7

posted September 23, 2012 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Heartless:
<-- moon-pluto square miserable wretch... NOT!

we are not a miserable lot 24/7

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posted September 23, 2012 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
It also feels minimized (even though I know and appreciate this person's trying to help or understand) when Moon/Pluto emotions are trying to be paraphrased. For example you're feeling very sad about a situation but to the Moon/Pluto person it isn't just "sad," it's exhausted, torn, frustrated, etc. It's layered, but it's hard to explain so the other person goes "Oh, so you feel sad?" and it just makes you (and when I say "you" I mean "me") feel stupid for feeling so strongly.

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posted September 23, 2012 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Slummer:

It's also totally false that everyone with a Pluto-Moon (or Scorpio Moon) is in a constant state of emotional agony. That's a crock of bull. What IS true, is that whatever emotion we DO feel, we feel intensely. If we're happy, we're ecstatic; if we're in pain, we feel like we're dying. If we're mad, we're enraged. We feel the entire spectrum of emotion just like anyone else does, including positive emotions. We just feel all of them at a fever pitch.

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posted September 23, 2012 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
It also feels minimized (even though I know and appreciate this person's trying to help or understand) when Moon/Pluto emotions are trying to be paraphrased. For example you're feeling very sad about a situation but to the Moon/Pluto person it isn't just "sad," it's exhausted, torn, frustrated, etc. It's layered, but it's hard to explain so the other person goes "Oh, so you feel sad?" and it just makes you (and when I say "you" I mean "me") feel stupid for feeling so strongly.

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amen!