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Sorcha
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posted September 25, 2012 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis!

After our recent chat about the Vertex, I am curious to hear what your opinion is regarding both my Solar return *and* Venus Return for next year (June 2013)

I know it's quite a long ways away, but I have found something very, very interesting and meaningful about both my charts.

If I do a synastry chart between my SR and my natal, there is a double whammy of SR Vertex conjunct natal ASC and Natal Vertex conjunct SR ASC. The same goes for my Venus Return chart - double whammy of Vertex conjunct ASC - but the dates are about 18 days apart. The orbs in all cases are exactly 1 degree.

I know that this is significant and I am assuming that next year is going to be particularly important for me but I am wondering if, in your studies of the Vertex, you have come across anything like this before. If so, what have you noticed?

I thought that the SR double whammy alone was pretty uncommon, but to have both charts with this aspect seems statistically (and astrologically) significant.

(Interestingly, for his 2013 SR, my ex also has Vertex conjunct ASC double whammy as well, however the orbs for his are 3 and 4 degrees, so rather wide, but still weird!)

Would be grateful for any thoughts

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C1ND3R
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posted September 25, 2012 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure.

It's a wormhole

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Sorcha
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posted September 25, 2012 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ouch C1ND3R. That hurts my eyes. Can you please remove?

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Sorcha
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posted September 25, 2012 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhhhh. Thank you I think I like the word wormhole better than than the actual wormhole

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posted September 25, 2012 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Ahhhhhh. Thank you I think I like the word wormhole better than than the actual wormhole

Lol

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Lotis White
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posted September 25, 2012 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Hi Lotis!

After our recent chat about the Vertex, I am curious to hear what your opinion is regarding both my Solar return *and* Venus Return for next year (June 2013)

I know it's quite a long ways away, but I have found something very, very interesting and meaningful about both my charts.

If I do a synastry chart between my SR and my natal, there is a double whammy of SR Vertex conjunct natal ASC and Natal Vertex conjunct SR ASC. The same goes for my Venus Return chart - double whammy of Vertex conjunct ASC - but the dates are about 18 days apart. The orbs in all cases are exactly 1 degree.

I know that this is significant and I am assuming that next year is going to be particularly important for me but I am wondering if, in your studies of the Vertex, you have come across anything like this before. If so, what have you noticed?

I thought that the SR double whammy alone was pretty uncommon, but to have both charts with this aspect seems statistically (and astrologically) significant.

(Interestingly, for his 2013 SR, my ex also has Vertex conjunct ASC double whammy as well, however the orbs for his are 3 and 4 degrees, so rather wide, but still weird!)

Would be grateful for any thoughts


Hi Sorcha,

While I have noticed a correlation between Solar Return charts and the type of year you wind up having, it’s not something I’ve studied in depth. I’m More of a Vertex synastry /transit person. But since you asked, I’ll give it my best shot based on what I already know about the Vertex.

So if you have the Vertex Axis conjunct your Asc/Dsc Axis it does hint at a significant turning points in both your personal environment/ circumstances and relationship areas of life during that year. And if the Venus return chart repeats this pattern, these indications are reinforced, especially in relation to affection, love and marriage. Your may feel that the events of the coming year are quite defining in relation to your attitude and situation regarding relationships.

Also, have you moved from your place of birth? It’s my understanding that we are meant to base the SR chart on the location that we are in during the SR. If your were born in Mexico and then moved to New York, you’d base the SR chart in New York. On astro.com we can do this by changing the ‘reference place’ on the ‘extended selection’ page. Sorry if you already know this. I just wanna be sure we’ve got the right information.

In order to look deeper into the coming year I’d need to actually see your return chart. Like how is the Asc/Vertex aspected in general and what are the house rulers doing? Just knowing that the Asc and the Vertex Axis are conjunct doesn’t tell me much except what I’ve already mentioned. If you post your SR chart maybe myself and a few others could take a peek at it to give you more detail.

About your ex, I wouldn’t want to say rock solid that you will reconnect just based on his Vertex aspecting the Asc in his return charts because what this means for you may be different then what it means to him. What it does mean is that he too is likely to experience significant changes in his environment/ personal circumstances and relationships.

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Sorcha
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posted September 25, 2012 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis Thanks for your response. Yes, it's one of those questions which I find not a lot of people have studied but I figured you were my best bet

Yes, I do indeed change my SR and VR locations to my current city and know that if I were to spend my birthday in another country then the house positions would change, but thanks for mentioning

Edited to add: I'm not assuming that I'm going to have a reunion with my ex, but I did think it was weird that we would both have the same thing going on during the same year. It may just be that we have similar experiences next year.

SR with natal on the outside

VR with Natal on the outside

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Nine
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posted September 25, 2012 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re: Solar Return.

srVenus has an eight year cycle. This means every eight years srVenus will be in the same sign and degree...roughly speaking. So, it if you wanna know what's in store for your love life this SR, look back eight years when srVenus was in the same sign, degree, and probably making the same aspects.

In my own srChart, every four years (Olympic/US elections), srVenus conjuncts sr/nSun. These years from as far back as 1992, when I wasn't legal, were happy/romantic/fun years.

For me, the trend kicks off at & follows the tSun-nVenus Dynamic Cycle (Conjunction, Sextile, Square...) The good times commence before the actual SR, because you see I'm a Gemini with Venus in Taurus.

Enough about me.

Here I was going to suggest you observe the dynamic cycle of tPlanet this and nPlanet that, but I realized both Asc & Vertex are points. hmmm, not sure how you'd go about doing that.

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Sorcha
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posted September 25, 2012 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nine,

Yes actually I had recently read about Venus's cycle being in bouts of 8 years. I will be 37 in 2013 and so I would have been 29 when Venus was kicking back 8 years ago.

That was actually a lovely time for me in many ways so I'll have to think more on that and have a look at my VR for that year. Thanks

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posted September 25, 2012 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool

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Sorcha
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posted September 26, 2012 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump for Lotis*

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Lotis White
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posted September 27, 2012 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hi Sorcha,

Alright I’m going to give your SR chart a bit of an interp… But just to let you know I’m more of a synastry/psychology girl then a prediction girl, so my interp will have that type of style too it.

In the SR chart there is a very late Libra rising, ruled by Mercury in Cancer in conjunction to Venus in the SR 9th house. This shows to me that a big focus for the coming year will be on partnerships, and also introspection about partnerships with a large amount of Scorpio in the 1st house. With Libra’s ruler Venus in the 9th house conjunct Mercury in Cancer in the 9th house there are also indications that you’ll revisit primal emotional issues, and probably through a lot of discussion develop a something of a philosophical attitude. Issues related to vulnerability, emotional needs, motherhood, family, and nurturing may came to the fore, along with a desire to make sense out of it all, possibly some study and learning, as well as travel or relocation. Perhaps you may be communicating with someone at a distance or have connections to foreigners/ people from different cultures. Your SR Sun and Jupiter are also in Cancer conjunct in the 9th house, enhancing this, and indicating that the coming year will be quite a happy, and positive one for you.

In the SR chart the Dsc is Aries, ruled by Mars in Gemini in the 8th house. Again, there’s a communication theme showing here. This is reinforced by the SR Moon in Capricorn in the third house… Altogether this configuration tells me that your be doing a lot of thinking and communicating about relationships, and that you’d like direct and honest responses from others. Ruler of the Dsc in the 8th house wants honest introspection, and openness about what people really, really think and feel. The feeling I get from this is that it’s time for you or someone else to come clean. Both the Moon and Pluto in the 3rd house also indicates that your feeling introspective and communicative about some very personal/emotional issues, but that you also want to look at these issues in a realistic and mature way. Like you want to be an adult about things and get straight to the point. This is enhanced by SR Saturn in Scorpio in the 1st house.

Mars in the 8th ruling the Dsc could also relate to passion and reproduction. Moon in the third relates to thinking about not just emotional issues and also motherhood. Are you a mom? and would you be open to having kids? This might be an issue your considering in the next year, or maybe you’ll even have a baby. Neptune is close to the 5th house cusp in your SR chart so this could mean that you’re feeling quite sentimental about an old lover (maybe your ex) or about children, or someone new who is very special to you. The feeling around this situation is dreamy and compassionate and romantic. Along with Mars in the 8th, , passion and romance are not off the table. I also notice Uranus in your SR 6th house so there could be something unexpected/interesting/unique occurring in the work/health area of your life.

Your Venus Return chart has a lot of similarities with your SR chart with planets lining up in the 7th, 8th, and 9th houses… Emphasizing partnership, introspection, learning and a philosophical attitude for the coming year.

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I feel like I have to write a bit of a disclaimer here, in that I’m not a psychic, I’m just looking at the astro clues showing up in the Return Charts. So just take what I’ve said as something to consider, but please don’t take it as gospel or anything. Not that you would. Ha ha. Actually I’d be interested in your feedback in the future, if my interp winds up fitting please let me know on LL.

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Sorcha
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posted September 27, 2012 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis,

Wow! Thanks for your interpretation! Very much appreciated and unexpected I will definitely let you know although since this is for next year you'll have to wait a while

I also prefer to take a psychological POV when looking at return charts so I definitely appreciate your style just one last question - what do you make of the double whammy vertex/ASC aspects in both charts? Since the Vertex is an auxiliary Dsc, I am guessing that the focus is going to be on "other" in some capacity, seeing that it's repeated 4 times. Wondering if you agree with this...? Based on your interpretations it seems to fit.

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Lotis White
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posted September 27, 2012 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Sorcha,

Sorry, I didn’t include the Vertex part because I already did a short little interp for that in my original post.

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If you have the Vertex Axis conjunct your Asc/Dsc Axis it does hint at a significant turning points in both your personal environment/ circumstances and relationship areas of life during that year. And if the Venus return chart repeats this pattern, these indications are reinforced, especially in relation to affection, love and marriage. Your may feel that the events of the coming year are quite defining in relation to your attitude and situation regarding relationships.


Basically the Vertex/Asc conjunctions do indicate significant memorable events related to how you express your persona and relationship events. The Vertex Axis relates to people and events that we find ‘defining’ in life and awaken our awareness in some way. The Vertex also has to do with ideal manifestations in regards to people and events, where we encounter particular things that we wanted or longed for… And it has to do with unusual coincidences. This indicates that certain things may occur around you this year that feel like crazy synchronicity, where you are put into contact with just what you needed/wanted… It’s like the pathway towards this just opens up (This would be especially in connection with personal environment/relationships). This is part of the reason the Vertex is called the ’wish fulfillment’ Axis… Some particular thing that you’ve always wanted may show up around you this year. The Vertex is pretty unpredictable so it’s hard to say specifically what will occur, only that it’ll make an impact on you, and give you a “this is it!” type feeling.

Hope this was helpful.

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Sorcha
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posted September 28, 2012 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, thanks so much Lotis My brain is now synthesizing all the info. I had been sitting and staring at those darned vertices for so long that they had ceased to make sense. I do see what you're saying and I'm hoping it's as positive as you mentioned.

Again, thanks for your help on this. Muchly appreciated

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