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Topic: aspects outweigh signs
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thinkingitover
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posted September 28, 2012 01:08 AM
  
For instance mercury conjunct Saturn have more influence than mercury in Capricorn or sun conjunct Pluto more plutonian than sun in Scorpio. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?IP: Logged |
CRCRINCON
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posted September 28, 2012 01:20 AM
Yup they sure can be! And depending on the strength of a sign in a house and how many repeated similar aspects etc... That is why when people make blanket statements about signs I don't usually agree. For example, I am moon Aquarius (yes the sign is important) but follow this with my Uranus ruled moon being in 1st house of ones sense of self and then my Sun being parallel Uranus along with Uranus conjunct MC and it colors and adds significant depth to my Sun Virgo and explains my highly Uranian personality.  IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted September 28, 2012 01:26 AM
So it's even more obvious when your Sun conjuncts the ruler of your Sun, giving you the traits of this particular sign. My dad had Sun conjunct Pluto very tightly, in Leo. He actually WAS a Leo in all, but this strange Plutonian energy was really present in him, more than in some Scorpios i know. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted September 28, 2012 01:48 AM
I agree with this post.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted September 28, 2012 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by thinkingitover:
For instance mercury conjunct Saturn have more influence than mercury in Capricorn or sun conjunct Pluto more plutonian than sun in Scorpio. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
Agreed.What about the squares?will sun square pluto be more plutonian than sun in scorpio? IP: Logged |
11nahyt
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posted September 28, 2012 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Agreed.What about the squares?will sun square pluto be more plutonian than sun in scorpio?
In my observation, yes. Sun in Scorpio does not make someone automatically plutonian. It's the Pluto aspects that determine that IMO.some scorpio suns i know are NOT Plutonian at all. And they didn't have pluto aspects or strong pluto in their charts.They just had scorpio traits. And Just like how a mercurian person, wont mean their a gemini , but strong merc in their charts will make them mercurian IP: Logged |
sand
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posted September 28, 2012 05:52 AM
i always thought it was placement, house, and then aspects in decreasing order??IP: Logged |
quinnlycanastro
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posted September 28, 2012 06:52 AM
@ Sand ~ The house is the area of life the energy plays out in. The planets [and aspects] are the vibe itself. The signs say how the aspects get played out. They're all important but it depends on the system you use as to how the importance is determined. IP: Logged |
slowpoke
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posted September 28, 2012 09:59 AM
When you have aspects, they trump placements.
If there are no aspects to a planet, then sign and house are equal in influences.i.e.
When people start learning Astrology, they will no doubt, learn their Sun sign influence first. The description is basic, meaning, it assumes that the Sun is not aspected by any other planet. The next thing learned is the house positions. Again, it is assumed there are no other influences present. But, as we become more advanced, we begin to see how any aspect to the planets changes the "whether" picture for both planets. And no matter, what sign or house the planets are sitting in, the whether forecast for the planets changes dramatically for better or worst - because of the aspect(s). The sign and house of the planet positions, then becomes the beneficiaries or victims of the aspect influence. This means that the aspects are the stronger influences over planet sign and house positions.
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quinnlycanastro
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posted September 28, 2012 10:21 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I can agree that any aspect will over-ride planet in sign placement. Aspects colour the expression but they don't rub the sign out of the picture. It does mean it could be harder to express the qualities and sometimes it means that certain conditions have to be met before the sign can have its voice but it's not going to stop the planet in sign expression. Yes it can make it difficult, but it's not impossible. IP: Logged |
vickymadness
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posted September 28, 2012 10:42 AM
oh there are two threads so am gonna copy'n paste:Orbits should be considered.
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in case of multiple-signs ruler , like Venus or Mercury, what sign the aspect to that ruler will replace/outweigh ?! also does it go both ways ? in your example, mercury conjunct saturn, in this case, are we safe to say : it's like mercury in capricorn , and saturn in either virgo or gemini ?? what I think, planets conjunctions/aspects enhance the power and create a balance/tension between their energies, but obviously the energies will still be channeled by the sign wherein the planet resides. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted September 28, 2012 12:20 PM
Try doing a pullen chart on astro.com aspects to planets can outweigh some of the typical traits of your luminaries sun/moon to some degree.IP: Logged |
thinkingitover
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posted September 28, 2012 02:11 PM
What about squares would that mean the planets would have trouble manifesting? For example sun square Pluto like trouble being yourself? Lets say sun in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio because Leo is ruled by the sun and Scorpio is ruled by Pluto. And they are fixed also I'm thinking of scenarios.IP: Logged |
libraschoice77
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posted September 28, 2012 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Aeline:
So it's even more obvious when your Sun conjuncts the ruler of your Sun, giving you the traits of this particular sign. My dad had Sun conjunct Pluto very tightly, in Leo. He actually WAS a Leo in all, but this strange Plutonian energy was really present in him, more than in some Scorpios i know.
Definitely can relate to this, also have Sun conjunction Pluto and have very much a Plutonian way about me, even though I am Libra Sun. IP: Logged |
thinkingitover
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posted September 28, 2012 02:23 PM
I feel kind of silly but can I get an example of what plutonian means? Whenever I'm trying to understand astrology I feel like I'm in math class with.working word problems.IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted September 28, 2012 02:29 PM
I am not sure the two can be compared to each other actually. I am not sure that a venus -saturn aspect is like a venus in capricorn. I think the difference is especially much more pronounced when it comes down to outer planets. Uranus rules aquarius, Neptune rules pisces and pluto rules scorpio but I have found aspects from such planets to a personal planets is way different than having the planet in aquarius, pisces or scorpio. There are similarities but still it is quite different.
But it's true that aspects, especially tight aspects seem to be felt more strongly, or at least we're more aware of them than sign placements. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted September 28, 2012 02:29 PM
Well, yeah! The signs are vehicles to expressing a planet's energy. Like, Libra is an air-y expression of Venusian energy, whereas Taurus is an earthly expression of Venusian energy - and Pisces is an expression of energy that Venus can agree with.So, linking planets together via aspect is a stronger way of merging planetary energies than signs are. IP: Logged |
thinkingitover
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posted September 28, 2012 02:42 PM
A Guy I know has moon mercury Venus Saturn Neptune and Uranus conjunct in Capricorn. And I thought I would ask because all of its in Capricorn and all of is very tight orb. I was thinking to myself maybe I should just read the section in caprican in Linda Goodman's sun signs.IP: Logged |
CRCRINCON
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posted September 28, 2012 03:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ail221:
Try doing a pullen chart on astro.com aspects to planets can outweigh some of the typical traits of your luminaries sun/moon to some degree.
Hi Ail221:
I didn't realize this was on Astro love it!
It makes sense for me:
Virgo
Scorpio
Sagitarius I would have thought Aquarius would have been higher but it is ranked 4. But anyway, I LOVE this! Thanks for sharing. It makes so much sense to me.
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peachbeigeblue
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posted September 28, 2012 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Agreed.What about the squares?will sun square pluto be more plutonian than sun in scorpio?
I do not think so. At least not for me. I have Leo Sun sq Scorpio in Pluto by 3 degrees. Pluto is also my chart ruler but I am much more of a Leo than a Scorpio. BUT Pluto is in my 12th - could be a different story if it was in my 1st. I also have Sun square Moon, which is a tighter orb - within the same degree. I feel more like a Taurus than a Scorpio. But also, this is 20 minutes from my descendant.. on the cusp of my 6th and 7th house. In conclusion.. I feel the Leo/Taurus combo more than the Leo/Scorpio. But I am definitely, above all, a Leo. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted September 28, 2012 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by thinkingitover:
What about squares would that mean the planets would have trouble manifesting? For example sun square Pluto like trouble being yourself? Lets say sun in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio because Leo is ruled by the sun and Scorpio is ruled by Pluto. And they are fixed also I'm thinking of scenarios.
I commented on this in my above post before seeing this specific example
In this thread, I touched on how I felt like different parts of my big 3 in my life. Or seemed more like one or the other. I would say it balanced out as I have gotten older.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215822.html
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ail221
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posted September 28, 2012 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
Hi Ail221:
I didn't realize this was on Astro love it!
It makes sense for me:
Virgo
Scorpio
Sagitarius I would have thought Aquarius would have been higher but it is ranked 4. But anyway, I LOVE this! Thanks for sharing. It makes so much sense to me.
HI!
No problem that chart filled in some blanks within my chart as well just passing along the info. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 28, 2012 04:04 PM
I would definitely agree! I have libra ac@7 libra pluto@11 libra Venus@19...as far as libra traits i only share the physical ones, personality when it comes to love...i am more pluto like than the scorpio i just dated, i never realized how much i was like a scorpio when it came to handling relationships! I've been told by guys in the past that it was pointless to lie to me because i always knew it and even if didn't call them out, i would quietly go and find the proof!
With this scorpio guy, the relationship was more like a battle of wills, we were both very polite and respectful to each others face but at the same time watching everything, listening closely for this things that didn't make since or inconsistencies! I'd always thought this was just me trying to protect myself from getting hurt...and it is...but it a scorpio was of protecting yourself, not just my personal thing.
My libra pluto@11 is an exact sextile to my saggy neptune@11....saggy neptune connects saggy sun/saggy merc in a stellium, so again pluto energy is attached to the way i perceive things on a deeper level.
My aries jupiter@15 also sextiles pluto@11!
Even with all this fire and air, I am very quiet, serious and emotionally deep but hide it well with all that fire/air, in my chart their is only scorio uranus and virgo moon, everything else is fire and air!
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