posted September 29, 2012 03:53 AM            

How do you experience the Pluto?
Are you feelings intense? Or do you feel that aspect strongly now, but maybe not tomorrow, some kind of sigsaw, or like it is swinging back and forth?

posted September 29, 2012 06:57 AM            

When my Pluto aspects others I am INTENSELY attracted. Whether it be physically (venus/mars) or mentally (mercury) I am enamored almost instantly. My feelings are never not intense. Does the double negative work there? Everything that I feel, I feel with all that I am. That could be my Pisces Sun seeping thru though, but the intensity of it feels much more Pluto based than Neptune.

I'm not a "wish-washy" or "on again-off again" type of person. If I leave you or you leave me, I'm done with you and there's a reason for it that I probably won't change my mind about. I don't feel like I "fall in and out of love quickly" like my Venus in Aries denotes. I'd rather chase someone until they're mine (very Aries Venus) and then keep them that way, mine (Pluto obsession/Aries Venus jealousy.) And it's not jealousy in the sense that I think my SO wants somebody else, but more so like: if he's doting out attention it should be to me, not them.

posted September 29, 2012 07:28 AM            

I was thinking about ARies-Venus as well, but thought that ARies is pretty close to Pluto-energy, in the sense that there is a natural connection between Mars and Pluto, and they might enhance each other, unlike an Airy-Venus in contact with Pluto.

Interestingly it means that your Venus is opposing my Pluto on 9°05 Libra. I am always fascinated how people will answer our threads with synastric connections that seem to relate to the topic. Intriguing.

"When my Pluto aspects others I am INTENSELY attracted."
Do you have a preference for certain aspects?
Like for example their Venus/Mars/Mercury/Sun/Moon/ASC in Cancer or Capricorn (square to your Venus, and trine/sextile your Pluto) or Leo-Aquarius (square your Pluto and trine/sextile your Venus)?
BTW where is your Mars located? (I guess being Venus-dispositor, he might be important as well).
Also your Venus seems to be in Cancer-Duad, 15° Cancer to be precise, and Pluto is in Capricorn Duad, 24° of Capricorn; can you relate to these in any way?

"My feelings are never not intense."
Well, it *could* be the Pluto,b ut it also could be Venus in Aries on her own. Quite a passionate Venus.

posted September 29, 2012 08:41 AM            

I'm really not too sure about the Cap duad of Pluto. I'm not very familiar with Capricorn energy/influences so I don't think I'd recognize them offhand.

My Venus opposes your Pluto? Can I be your obsession?
I certainly do have a preference! I'm very comfortable with squares and oppositions to my Pluto and sextiles/trines to my Venus. Leos and Aquarians are my favorite people pretty much ever. Cancers on the other hand tend to rub me the wrong way. They "need" me too much. I like to be needed but it gets to a point where I feel like THEY feel that they "own" me or my friendship toward them. I've known very few Capricorns, but the ones I do know we've only been acquaintances or superficial friends at best.
My Mars is 23 Sagittarius 37 conjunct my Uranus in my 5th house.

You're very welcome! I'm interested to see others with this aspect in their natal to comment. It may be because my IC is in Scorpio that I'm so comfortable and familiar with Pluto and the harsher aspects.

posted September 29, 2012 09:38 AM            

"I guess this would be the Cancer Duad?"
Yes, and it seems to be supportive of the theory that Duads DO work.
My own rather controlled realistic Cappy Venus falls into the Duad of Pisces (13 degrees) conjunct my Jupiter, and YES, definitely! lol

"I'm really not too sure about the Cap duad of Pluto."
Funny enough my Plutos Duad is quite close (19 Cap).
Anyway, Pluto is a generational energy, and so is his Duad, so it might almost come from the outside towards us, the Pluto/Saturnian experiences we have to somehow integrate or deal with. A lot of karmic and fated feel with this one.

"My Venus opposes your Pluto? Can I be your obsession? "
Well, a lot of the books say it is really Venus who is obsessed.
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It is probably not so clear cut though. As I have VEnus-square Pluto myself, it simply is something I resonate with.
no matter who is the Venus or the Pluto.

"Leos and Aquarians are my favorite people pretty much ever"
That is cute. And makes sense that you favour those who would be in harmony with your personal planet.
Fire energy of course is a blast together. And then I have a personal liking and flaw for the Aries-Aqua-combination. My Moon is in Aquarius (and a Stellium including ASC, Mars, Sun) in Sagittarius. And I just LOVE ARies-people, though having said that, usually they have Sun or Moon in ARies.

". Cancers on the other hand tend to rub me the wrong way. They "need" me too much."
I can see that with your Aries-Venus.

"My Mars is 23 Sagittarius 37 conjunct my Uranus in my 5th house."
LOL
Your Mars is conjunct my Mercury on 25°01 Sag and Sun on 25°56 Sag.

"It may be because my IC is in Scorpio that I'm so comfortable and familiar with Pluto and the harsher asp"
Yes that DEFINITELY figures in. It is probably impossible to really isolate an aspect. But how shall we learn about the single aspects if we don`t exchange experiences, even though they may be coloured by other energies as well?

In my case Pluto is on my MC squaring Venus in Capricorn, and of course Libra-Pluto is disposited by Venus herself!

posted September 29, 2012 09:40 AM            

HAHA, I can relate to that.

Well, I have Venus in Cappy squaring Pluto and MOon in AQuarius. I can come across as very very detached (I even believe it myself at times), but when something gets out of balance, I feel how I REALLY Feel, and it is way more intense than my Aqua Moon feels up to deal with (unaspected MOon there).

My Dad has Aqua-Venus opposing Pluto, and I can feel he is pretty much like you described your fiance as well.

posted September 30, 2012 08:16 AM            

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it might almost come from the outside towards us, the Pluto/Saturnian experiences we have to somehow integrate or deal with. A lot of karmic and fated feel with this one

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Well, a lot of the books say it is really Venus who is obsessed.

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And then I have a personal liking and flaw for the Aries-Aqua-combination

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BTW, I can't help but love Cancer Suns, at first, because of my Pisces Sun. I love them and love them and love them and then they NEED me to love them and that's where it gets to be too much for me. I've actually had a Cancer tell me I was "theirs" (just friends mind you) and that it made them jealous when I spent my time elsewhere.. Ugh, cling on somebody your own sign.

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Your Mars is conjunct my Mercury on 25°01 Sag and Sun on 25°56 Sag

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And that means your Mercury and Sun are conjunct my Uranus at 22 Sag 19 which is my DSC ruler OoO and almost exactly square my Sun at 25 Pisces. Also, your Pluto is sextile my Saturn and trine my Chiron almost exactly on both. Perhaps I have something to learn from you? Actually, I already did with the Pluto-Venus thing and it really opened my eyes to the relationship I was in about 2 years ago. Transforming and healing in a simple sentence!

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I can come across as very very detached (I even believe it myself at times), but when something gets out of balance, I feel how I REALLY Feel, and it is way more intense than my Aqua Moon feels up to deal with (unaspected MOon there).

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posted October 02, 2012 09:07 AM            

" I have had a lot of trials and tribulations through my life and all of them have taught me lessons that I desperately needed at the time to be able to make it through that particular part of my life. Pluto-Cap duad?"
Partly. I think it might not be the sole reason, but figure into this.

"Aries-Aquarius is a wonderful combination!"
Yes, I like it.

"Ugh, cling on somebody your own sign."
LOL I feel the same. I can stay forever in a friendship, but I need to feel that it is voluntarily.

"And that means your Mercury and Sun are conjunct my Uranus at 22 Sag 19 which is my DSC ruler OoO and almost exactly square my Sun at 25 Pisces."
LOl
Actually Mercury is MY DESC-ruler, and your Sun conjuncts my Draco ASC.

posted October 02, 2012 09:09 AM            

that is how I figured it could be esp. with Airy Venus-sign quinkunx Pluto.

posted October 04, 2012 03:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Bluegrey,

that is how I figured it could be esp. with Airy Venus-sign quinkunx Pluto.

Do you find that your partner`s natal feature both, an independent disposition as well as the capacity for intensity (for example: simultaneous Uranus/Aqua-Pluto/Scorpio planets and aspects)?

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posted October 04, 2012 09:54 AM            

yes I kind of expected that. Though no attraction to Airy planets?